Comments on: White House Contempt For Bloggers and “Left of the Left” Is A Pattern http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/white-house-contempt-for-bloggers-and-left-of-the-left-is-a-pattern/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:33:20 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: libbyliberal http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/white-house-contempt-for-bloggers-and-left-of-the-left-is-a-pattern/#comment-53761 libbyliberal Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:02:09 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/?p=3213#comment-53761 Netanyahu expressed similar contempt for the "fringes" on both sides with on Charlie Rose. Obama seems to have more contempt for the left "fringe" he has betrayed than those with surreal bias against him on the right. Dis the moralists more than the wingnuts. They are running scared in a way, though, because the drumbeat on the left is getting through. Sadly, the media is bought off and a propaganda machine for all things corporate. Time to let go of the Public Option faux-football and mobilize for Single Payer Medicare for All. We need to mobilize. Notice all the health care facility ads on tv right now? The industry is calling in their markers, and Obama and Congress needs to perform a lot to show they are trying really hard but not really, if anything bringing us from crumbs to croutons, but my thought they won't even turn out to be croutons but smaller, crueler crumbs. Obama lowers the sites to pre-existing conditions waiver and will criminalize the uninsured as a tradeoff, mandatory for all, not affordable, no sane. Bigger bonanza for all these moneyed fat cats than now. Wow. He deserves an Academy Award, not the Nobel Peace Prize. Last year Helmsley, CEO of UnitedHealth brought home $57,000 a day salary. We can't inconvenience Mr. Helmsley now, can we? Netanyahu expressed similar contempt for the “fringes” on both sides with on Charlie Rose. Obama seems to have more contempt for the left “fringe” he has betrayed than those with surreal bias against him on the right. Dis the moralists more than the wingnuts.

They are running scared in a way, though, because the drumbeat on the left is getting through. Sadly, the media is bought off and a propaganda machine for all things corporate.

Time to let go of the Public Option faux-football and mobilize for Single Payer Medicare for All. We need to mobilize. Notice all the health care facility ads on tv right now? The industry is calling in their markers, and Obama and Congress needs to perform a lot to show they are trying really hard but not really, if anything bringing us from crumbs to croutons, but my thought they won’t even turn out to be croutons but smaller, crueler crumbs.

Obama lowers the sites to pre-existing conditions waiver and will criminalize the uninsured as a tradeoff, mandatory for all, not affordable, no sane. Bigger bonanza for all these moneyed fat cats than now. Wow. He deserves an Academy Award, not the Nobel Peace Prize.

Last year Helmsley, CEO of UnitedHealth brought home $57,000 a day salary. We can’t inconvenience Mr. Helmsley now, can we?

]]> By: PaulaT http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/white-house-contempt-for-bloggers-and-left-of-the-left-is-a-pattern/#comment-53586 PaulaT Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:32:32 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/?p=3213#comment-53586 Okay, so let's assume that Harwood is a lying tool. It's still Obama's problem. If he didn't regularly talk to reporters off the record and allow leaks without heads rolling (assuming he doesn't leak deliberately), then he could say that the guy's lying as proven by the fact that nothing was said to him outside the press conference that had tons of witnesses and cameras rolling. He must have made it up. Since they play cutesy, people are going to believe that's what's going on in cases like this whether it's true or not. If he lived up to his transparency in govt rhetoric, he'd be better off in health care, with the bloggers, with the LGBT community and with the general public. The fact that he hasn't and isn't is his own damned fault. Okay, so let’s assume that Harwood is a lying tool. It’s still Obama’s problem. If he didn’t regularly talk to reporters off the record and allow leaks without heads rolling (assuming he doesn’t leak deliberately), then he could say that the guy’s lying as proven by the fact that nothing was said to him outside the press conference that had tons of witnesses and cameras rolling. He must have made it up. Since they play cutesy, people are going to believe that’s what’s going on in cases like this whether it’s true or not. If he lived up to his transparency in govt rhetoric, he’d be better off in health care, with the bloggers, with the LGBT community and with the general public. The fact that he hasn’t and isn’t is his own damned fault.

]]> By: shell http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/white-house-contempt-for-bloggers-and-left-of-the-left-is-a-pattern/#comment-53549 shell Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:56:46 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/?p=3213#comment-53549 I am SO incredibly sick of this tired, old line: Bloggers are just kids. Does it take a rocket scientist to see blogs are just like the old-fashioned media in that, in both cases, there are good and bad? Liars and truth-tellers. Firedoglake and LittleGreenFootballs. I have been on blogs for over a decade. Is it too much to ask that people whose actions actually affect Americans start living in 2009, and actually LEARN what is going on? Or, if they DO know, and are lying, get booted out of office? And another thing -- TV. I hear time and again how MSNBC is "left-wing." Really? Keith and Rachel are left-of center, but there are also Morning Joe, Tweety, and the entire news people. THAT is equivalent to Fox? Are you f-ing kidding me? I am SO incredibly sick of this tired, old line: Bloggers are just kids.

Does it take a rocket scientist to see blogs are just like the old-fashioned media in that, in both cases, there are good and bad? Liars and truth-tellers. Firedoglake and LittleGreenFootballs.

I have been on blogs for over a decade. Is it too much to ask that people whose actions actually affect Americans start living in 2009, and actually LEARN what is going on? Or, if they DO know, and are lying, get booted out of office?

And another thing — TV. I hear time and again how MSNBC is “left-wing.” Really? Keith and Rachel are left-of center, but there are also Morning Joe, Tweety, and the entire news people. THAT is equivalent to Fox? Are you f-ing kidding me?

]]> By: redX http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/white-house-contempt-for-bloggers-and-left-of-the-left-is-a-pattern/#comment-53511 redX Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:20:10 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/?p=3213#comment-53511 Chuck, like Obama and his team do this all the time. I tend to think its the diminish others, and a form of people power that is not easy to control (perhaps). - Your other point, I have seen news and LOTS OF REPORTING on blogs. With the combination of news and blogs I get I usually know the MSM "news" about 1 - 2 days before NPR "reports" it, and 2 - 4 days before MSNBC/CNN/etc. I watch Fox and the like only as research, and they almost never come close to finding the news. Chuck, like Obama and his team do this all the time.

I tend to think its the diminish others, and a form of people power that is not easy to control (perhaps).

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Your other point, I have seen news and LOTS OF REPORTING on blogs. With the combination of news and blogs I get I usually know the MSM “news” about 1 – 2 days before NPR “reports” it, and 2 – 4 days before MSNBC/CNN/etc. I watch Fox and the like only as research, and they almost never come close to finding the news.

]]> By: redX http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/white-house-contempt-for-bloggers-and-left-of-the-left-is-a-pattern/#comment-53510 redX Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:17:01 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/?p=3213#comment-53510 Once we get to around next March (2010) that is about all that will be left, to hope he is climbing a ladder to do what he wants, one rung at a time. By this I mean with each issue, not that he is only working on one issue at a time. That its a "stepping stone". My hope will be gone by then. Heck if it comes down to that might as well go R and get what's good for me ("another protester has crossed the line, to find the moneys on the other side"). Once we get to around next March (2010) that is about all that will be left, to hope he is climbing a ladder to do what he wants, one rung at a time.

By this I mean with each issue, not that he is only working on one issue at a time. That its a “stepping stone”.

My hope will be gone by then. Heck if it comes down to that might as well go R and get what’s good for me (“another protester has crossed the line, to find the moneys on the other side”).

]]> By: redX http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/white-house-contempt-for-bloggers-and-left-of-the-left-is-a-pattern/#comment-53509 redX Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:14:12 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/?p=3213#comment-53509 From what I have heard this is correct. The biz money is what put him there, the extra money and footwork from us peons was a help - but may not be needed for re-election. For his sake (not mine) I hope he is correct, since he is a term loser if he does not "have the math". From what I have heard this is correct.

The biz money is what put him there, the extra money and footwork from us peons was a help – but may not be needed for re-election. For his sake (not mine) I hope he is correct, since he is a term loser if he does not “have the math”.

]]> By: redX http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/white-house-contempt-for-bloggers-and-left-of-the-left-is-a-pattern/#comment-53506 redX Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:12:21 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/?p=3213#comment-53506 Bingo. Bush league. Kill the messangers, and do not deal with facts and debate. Nice recipe for a country. Bingo. Bush league.

Kill the messangers, and do not deal with facts and debate.

Nice recipe for a country.

]]> By: redX http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/white-house-contempt-for-bloggers-and-left-of-the-left-is-a-pattern/#comment-53505 redX Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:11:26 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/?p=3213#comment-53505 Tweety says he "can't remember the president" saying anything about the Public Option. I guess a few million dollars, and a TV team that includes the people that have the clips for the later shows is not enought to find Obama say he will (the quote is very close to this, sorry its from "memory"): "veto a plan that does not have a Publc option" MSNBC: morning to ~ 4/5pm all Republican Then they now go Ed (since progressive is working for their lineup), but before that it was essentially the "new middle" (Tweety, that is to say middle and then 5 steps right) 8- KO, progressive 9 - Maddow, progressive Tweety says he “can’t remember the president” saying anything about the Public Option.

I guess a few million dollars, and a TV team that includes the people that have the clips for the later shows is not enought to find Obama say he will (the quote is very close to this, sorry its from “memory”):

“veto a plan that does not have a Publc option”

MSNBC:

morning to ~ 4/5pm all Republican
Then they now go Ed (since progressive is working for their lineup), but before that it was essentially the “new middle” (Tweety, that is to say middle and then 5 steps right)
8- KO, progressive
9 – Maddow, progressive

]]> By: readerOfTeaLeaves http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/white-house-contempt-for-bloggers-and-left-of-the-left-is-a-pattern/#comment-53426 readerOfTeaLeaves Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:47:42 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/?p=3213#comment-53426 I have the highest respect for your views, but must respectfully disagree on this occasion. Although Ridge didn't answer all questions, he did come. Was it perfect? Not by a long shot. But it was, I hope, the beginning of a more civil conversation among people who might not otherwise come in contact. That's no small thing -- especially after the past 30 years, particularly the most recent 8. I have the highest respect for your views, but must respectfully disagree on this occasion.
Although Ridge didn’t answer all questions, he did come. Was it perfect? Not by a long shot.
But it was, I hope, the beginning of a more civil conversation among people who might not otherwise come in contact.

That’s no small thing — especially after the past 30 years, particularly the most recent 8.

]]> By: marcos http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/white-house-contempt-for-bloggers-and-left-of-the-left-is-a-pattern/#comment-53423 marcos Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:15:04 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/?p=3213#comment-53423 2/3 of Americans support a public option as well as housing and job discrimination protections for LGBT. Fewer than 1/2 of Americans support same sex marriage, gays in the military and an individual mandate w/o PO. Yet we are seeing a focus on military and marriage and a downplaying of a public option, ENDA and housing protections for LGBT. Supermajorities mean these issues are not closely divided at all. Is this what Democracy looks like? 2/3 of Americans support a public option as well as housing and job discrimination protections for LGBT.

Fewer than 1/2 of Americans support same sex marriage, gays in the military and an individual mandate w/o PO.

Yet we are seeing a focus on military and marriage and a downplaying of a public option, ENDA and housing protections for LGBT.

Supermajorities mean these issues are not closely divided at all.

Is this what Democracy looks like?

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