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Almost immediately I got an email from Jesse Lee, the Online Programs Director for the White House who used to work for Rahm Emanuel at the DCCC. The subject line was “Off-record note on Harwood’s blind quote.”
Jesse and I have been through this before when he sent me something then tried to claim it was “off the record” during the transition — I told him at the time that “off the record” isn’t something he can just assume, it has to be requested by a source and only granted for cause. We went around and around with two other members of the transition team, and in the end I decided against publishing what he sent me.
But I warned them all in writing that I thought the White House practice of operating off the record for no good reason was wrong and that in the future, it was something he needed to ask for and justified before it was granted. I told him I didn’t see any need to be having off-the-record conversations with the White House anyway.
So here is what he sent to me and other bloggers last night:
Hey, wanted to get something out on this tonight. Obviously it’s the kind of thing where, as a blind quote, there’s an inclination to believe “that’s what they really think.” And obviously there have been other quotes along these lines over time, even if nothing so blatant. It goes without saying that this quote and others indeed reflect what *someone* actually thinks (who we haven’t been able to determine), but I want to say flatly that it is not what “the White House” or for that matter the President thinks.
Now most receiving this email know me, and I think have known me not to shovel shit that I knew was, well, shit. But at the same time I want to offer some evidence as to why I’m not shoveling shit now. The quote in question displays a disdain for bloggers, and while I’ll unequivocally give my word that I do not hear this sentiment from virtually anywhere inside the White House, this is difficult to disprove one way or another. But I think the quote also displays a belief that bloggers don’t matter, since nobody would give that quote to Harwood if they thought blogs did — and I think there is quite a bit of evidence that this is not what the White House at large believes, and therefore that the quote iws not representative. Certainly a belief that “blogs matter” is part of why I was hired, but more importantly we have hosted I would estimate 15-20 calls with top principals in their fields (including the President himself) exclusively for bloggers, and it is not at all unusual that I am asked to get help from bloggers on this issue or that from very high up the chain. These conversations involve top ranking people from policy to political to communications — so again, nobody involved with such conversations would logically give a quote that so obviously displayed a disregard for blogs’ importance. And to be clear again, I also give my word that I do not hear this sort of disdain displayed there either, but I wanted to make clear that there is a case to be made that doesn’t rest of my word.
As another point that in many ways doesn’t matter, but in some important ways does, the quote Harwood gave did not sound to me like it was given as an actual response to the LGBT March or LGBT discontent, it sounded like something unrelated (perhaps from a conversation on health care) that Harwood found a way to work into that segment. And while I think the person who gave it was very wrong and silly I also honestly believe that nobody in the White House would give that comment directed at LGBT rights. Like I say, I’m not sure that makes it any smarter but it does seem a clarification worth making.
Alright, so that’s a long email, and I feel confident that few will feel enormously assuaged, but it still seemed worth sending.
Hope all’s well — Jesse
As Glenn Greenwald notes today in a superb column, that just doesn’t pass the smell test:
Just this weekend, a “top gay Democrat close to Obama” was granted anonymity by Politico to dismiss administration critics on gay issues as “naive.” Just six weeks ago, an equally cowardly “senior White House adviser” hiding behind anonymity told The Washington Post that the only people who cared about the public option in health care were “the left of the left” — those same fringe, irrational extremists. In June, an anonymous “friend of John Brennan’s” told Jane Mayer in The New Yorker that the people who prevented Brennan’s nomination as CIA Director (because of his support for some of the most radical Bush Terrorism policies) were nothing more than “a few Cheeto-eating people in the basement working in their underwear who write blogs.” Last year, “Democrats on the Hill” anonymously dismissed opposition to telecom immunity and warrantless eavesdropping as nothing more than a fringe issue being exploited by Chris Dodd for his presidential campaign, and then anonymously warned Dodd to abandon his left-wing obstructionism if he wanted to resume good standing in the Democratic caucus. Can anyone miss the pattern?
Obama himself said that blogs aren’t reliable, and dismissed bloggers as “people shouting at each other across the void.” John Aravosis has been giving Obama heartburn over gay issues all the way back to Donny McLurkin. The idea that it was just by coincidence that Harwood happened to mention blogs and LGTB dissent together is laughable. In this case — as frequently happens — “anonymity” was requested by the White House for the purpose of saying something that they didn’t want to publicly own — for good reason.




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wow. that is some rather breathless tap dancin’
can’t help but think they were clownish enough to assume just having a groovy WH blogger would be enough (fail) or that it could ride herd on those pesky typin’ lefties (epic fail)
p.s. Jane – left you a little somethin’ somethin’ on FB
Holy crap. Maybe POTUS should stop acting so much like a republic. The WH still underestimates the power of the blogs. I suppose that will continue at their own peril.
I feel safe in saying that if anyone in the white house really thinks that “bloggers don’t matter”, then they weren’t paying attention when the progressive ‘sphere got behind Obama; first to get he, instead of Hillary, the nomination, and then to help him win the white house.
I trust that Jesse Lee will be at some pains to remind any of those in the Obama administration with faulty memories, of those facts.
Hi Jane! Don’t you just Love being part of the “internet left fringe”. Not like there was any movement out here to (a) create a buzz for the Obama-thon (b) be a voice who stood up for him when he was attacked by HRC and other “establishment” Villagers and others and (c) realized the significance of his election despite incredible odds and celebrated what it meant for our Republic.
Do you see Obama surviving 2012 without shift towards his actual (not the mythical bi-partisan) base, and some cred when he does so? I am wondering… and my wallet isn’t cracking open until I see it.
Short of it: Political and media vacuums in the past have ALWAYS been filled by the know-nothings who drool when Limbaugh and Beck, etc., ring the info-dinner-bell. Obviously, that is changing. Now, forget the republicans; every time I hear a DEMOCRAT pissing and moaning about the “leftwing” blogs, I smile. :o)
I think all of you on the fringe of the fringe need to chill out
and let the WH political geniuses work their magic.
I mean, look how they played Karen Ignagni and AHIP for fools…oh, never mind.
Anecdotally, when the 08 campaign was underway, I asked for Press Credentials to shoot some pictures for my stock collection, when Obama was here in NC and was told by a friend at the NC Democratic Party that the Obama Campaign operated independently of them in the state and that he could ask, but was pretty sure the Obama folks didn’t give a shit about a local blogger.
Didn’t have the same results with HRC or Edwards (obviously, it’s NC). I think Obama really does view us as voices in a void, and that he’s the one who turns on the lights at his leisure/pleasure for us void-dwellers.
If the WH respects lefty blogs, where are the anonymous quotes to that effect? Seems a little one-sided, and gives great lie to the “make-me-do-it” meme.
Sure lefty blogs are important to the WH, but only if they follow WH marching orders. How dare we make life difficult for Teh Annointed.
Fuck You, White House.
BUSH HAD NO FUCKING PROBLEM DOING IT!
Thanks, Jane, for reminding us of that. It had slipped my mind, and someone might have convinced me that this quote was simply one of Rahm’s boys running off at the mouth. But, no, this contempt for the left blogosphers goes all the way to Obama himself.
BTW, John Harwood is a tool.
Maybe there needs to be an organized wallet closing.
And if Obama appreciates bloggers, maybe he should spend an hour or two here on a weekend afternoon having a Q&A with us.
The WH appears to reserve their strongest condemnations exclusively for the Left, everyone right of center gets a pass. No great surprise there, I suppose.
Politics apart, I think that many in both the media and the WH miss the following:
– the Internet has made telecommuting possible.
– the Internet has also created **the potential** for new kinds of local markets, niche markets, and exchanges (which can occur **only** with solid Net Neutrality legislation in place)
– the Internet has also made it possible for distributed work patterns to operate across time zones, national boundaries, etc, etc.
I’m on the West Coast.
Sometimes people that I need to be in contact with are online at 11 pm **my time** (which is their ‘morning logon time’), and so sometimes I’m at FDL or another blogsite just to ‘take a break’ before I catch up with someone in another time zone.
I don’t think the WH, nor the media, really quite understand that ‘blogger’ does not necessarily mean ‘unemployed loser’. It may also mean ‘entreprenuer working from home’, it may mean ‘telecommuter working at odd hours’.
I don’t think ‘blogger’ means what the WH thinks it means.
Those sessions, as you can see by reading the Ridge book salon, are a waste of time. The “guest” ignores Qs he doesn’t like and answers those he does like with talking points.
Rahm still thinks he has the stick, eh? As if corporate donors wearing a new, socially avuncular mask to go with their bags of cash are going to put all the needed ballots in boxes when the time comes. Boy should get out of the boardroom more often.
As for Jesse Lee’s email – blogger, please. When you have to deny something five times in two paragraphs, your credibility’s dead in the water.
;>)
Horseshit.
I, for one, am tired of being fed only pretty words, often with them coming about the same time as the back of the hand.
If I had wanted a Republican, I would have voted for McSame. I didn’t and I didn’t.
But, for that matter, I seem to remember a definition of insanity which went something like “doing the same thing the same way and expecting a different result”. That applies as much to Barack Obama as it did to Joe Lieberman and, so long as Barry wants to be a Republican, he can do so without my support.
I had noticed.
Just finished reading Republican Gamorrah (book salon a weekend or so ago), where Blumenthal documents how O’s in the hip pocket of scumbags like Warren. (Among other juicy details about the religious right.)
Agreed. Perhaps it’s time to start shouting that message out here in the void.
Note to Jessee Lee: always appreciated what you did for DemVet by blogrolling me way back when… but now that you’re at Hubris Central, is the view a bit different?
I didn’t join you guys until a couple of weeks ago and I did so because I saw the weakness and moral bankruptcy of too many leaders in the Democratic Party.
And I think many more Americans agree with you “naive,” “pj-wearing,” “internet-hugging left-fringe bloggers” on several important issues more than they do with the policies apparently being pursued by this White House or the leaders of Democrats in Congress like Reid and Baucus.
So I’d say that the White House and this Congress have a problem.
Why does the Democratic Party hate its base?
I think pressure needs to be applied to John Harwood. If he will not come up with the name of who made that statement, then we just assume that person doesn’t exist and that Harwood himself made it up. Do you think having a group of gays, a group of bloggers, and a group of lefties after his ass might change his tune? It’s difficult to put pressure on the WH because of their “anonymity.” But we can sure as hell pressure the reporters who grant that. Just always assume that if a reporter says “anonymous source” that means “I just made it up.” A few years of that and we’ll have the media fearful of “anonymous bias” just like they’re scared shitless of “liberal bias.”
What is it with the f’g site? Ever since you changed the login screen, it’s been doing strange things – losing carriage returns, forgetting who is and is not logged in.
It’s a pain in the ass – caused by some techie who decided to put in an “improvement”.
And because he is a tool why are so many taking his word as gospel?
Been working fine for me. Someone suggested this morning that SD clear his cache, which seemed to work for him. (IANACP, so take everything I type on the subject as parroting someone who knows.)
It’s the Villager thingy. Only those who are on the inside are allowed to opine, so the low info voter gets only one side of any story.
Dear PO and others:
Blogging and bloggers. Change you can believe in!
Couldn’t log on for most of yesterday. Had to change browsers to get on. Made me edgy not being connected. Ate too many Cheetos waiting.
Jane -
Let me see if I understand correctly. The White House may have whispered in John Harwood’s ear something that they very much wanted said publicly via one type of medium, tv, and then have Jesse Lee send an email via another medium, the internet, to quietly say to bloggers that they don’t really think that way?
I wouldn’t be surprise if those who call themselves journalists in the White House press corp, many of whom look down on bloggers, don’t bother asking any questions about this back-handedness toward bloggers during the press conference.
If this is all so, isn’t the White House dismissing the internet and people who use it as a tool to organize by getting one thing said openly on national tv, while quietly sending out an email that only we “naive,” “pj-wearing,” “internet-hugging left-fringe bloggers” will ever see?
How about writing to Rachel Maddow to ask if she will give this story the attention it deserves?
That is a trait both parties possess in equal measure. They only pretend to care about average (non-lobbyist) Americans, particularly during an election cycle.
I do not believe John Harwood.
Do you notice that he seems to be the hot lead for today? Is there any self serving interest in him dropping, annonymously provided, of course, this bit of flaming horse poo?
Really, the man is a hack. I have never heard him say anything intelligent or enlightening. It’s his 15 minutes.
This has been the steady meme that GE has been sponsoring. Starting with scarborough, to mrs. greenspan, harwood and nora o’donnell then to tweety and dancing david gregory have all been hammering away at ‘the President’s “left” will ultimately be responsible for the defeat of healthcare’. Tweety has been also claiming the President NEVER promised anything about the ‘public option’. When he is howling this both on hardball and on his weekend show there is NO rebuttal. harwood used to work for the wall street journal, nuff said.
im a devotee of pinko fringe
YES I AM!!!
http://next-sunday.com/pic/200981310305686780.jpg
Bingo!
There has already been a drop-off in contributions,
without an organized effort, although the Village is in denial about the reasons.
Just think what some organizing could do.
I think it is fear based. The blogs are virtual. They WH and the DC entrenched cannot gather them in a room like the press and influence them, bribe them and work them like a lobby. They can’t threaten them. Yet, collectively the blogs can influence Congress, one Rep and Senator at a time. The blos can mobilize and raise lots of money and target that money. They are growing in numbers and influence. They can act almost instantly. When a force is growing fast, can act fast, and raise money fast, and cannot be quickly coraled and identified, it makes the traditional power structure nervous. They can’t coral the wind. They can only see it’s effects and react. The blog wind is gaining strenth.
The WH does not underestimating the power of the blogs and the netroots. The WH is trying to diminish that power and silence its critics on the left by ridiculing them as a bunch of gnats who can’t be fathom what it’s like to govern. Whether it’s bloggers, the Progressive Caucus in the house, or the placement of MoveOn and others in the Veal Pen, the WH is attempting to control its base, not respond to its base. Which was the obvious (and predicted by Jane and others) path when Obama selected Rahm as his Chief of Staff.
Excellent question.
When the Republicans took power, they did everything for their base (except, maybe, for one group in their base).
But once the people give power to Democrats, they turn into minions of corporate interests…
BUT………..he looks so great in his 2 piece ARMANI suit and silk tie with POWDERED WIG….on Sunday night ,when most of the world is in their UNDEROOS
aw the RULING CLASS
I don’t think Obama much cares about our donations… he’s owned, lock, stock and barrel by his corporate masters… if you go back and look at all the supposed small donations that fueled his campaign, if I recall correctly, a fairly significant amount of them were untraceable… they came from off-shore, overseas, gift cards, fake donors… it was pretty shocking when you looked over the percentages of mystery donors…
bloggers? “pffft”, sez Obama…”money? I don’t need your stinkin’ money”
Digby, for years…
slag a leftie, get you some Village cred
Those are way cool. Not for me though, unless they come in an orthopedic version.
This is information that Progressives can take to the bank..but hurry before the bank fails.
pretty weak spin job, Jesse.
You probably meant to reply to another comment. I never believed that lefty donations mattered at all to O. He’s in the corp back pocket, and made some ham-handed attempts to attract the religious right. As for the left, phooey on them.
I got an early taste at the 08 Netroots Nation, when the snot-nosed twits at the Obama booth dismissed my complaints (FISA vote, for example) with an imperious “so what’s your choice.”
scribe –
think they are re arranging the furniture backstage to accomodate something new – I could be wrong, but that has frequently been the case in the past -
I was locked out a whole 47 minutes before panic set in :D
Yeah, after saying I was having no problems, I couldn’t get on for about a half hour.
Strange things going on at the Lake. I felt rejected “sob”
At about the age of 40, I realized that you should never take anything personally. It was quite liberating, and accurate about 99% of the time.
Well done and perfectly timed, Jane.
I’m sick of these Anonymous Sorceresses.
Have been having the same problems, refresh and wind up in hinterland, have to relog in etc. Getting old
Sorta related: I heard Chuck “I Know Everything” Todd make a snide, off-handed, dismissive remark about “the bloggers” this morning on the “Morning Joe Noise Machine.” I would translate the remark to mean, “the bloggers are unwashed and they don’t know shit.”
Hey Chuck, just so you’re in the loop: A very considerable chunk of news is being reported in the blogosphere these days. It is not an overstatement to suggest that cable outlets (and newspapers, for that matter) are way behind both in terms of timing and substance. On the other hand, you do get the good tables in Manhattan, right? And that’s what’s important, right?
Does Todd have the vaguest idea what a dipshit he is?
Greg Sargent has reported that the view is not a “White House” view. I wonder if Harwood will expose his source or walk it back with a “sorry, I was in error.” Thought not.
Would be delightful for once to hear, “Well that is what Rahm said.” from a reporter. Or, my source is Gen. Jones (or someone else totally unrelated to the issue at hand who is just spouting off).
When something like that happens I always wonder where everyone has gone. Hope the problems are worked out soon. Can’t do without my Lake news.
fyi – handy tip from RevDeb – go to the bottom of page and click on RSS Feed. I use Yahoo (which I think let’s me comment ??) but you can select any one of your own which at a minimum, will allow you to read the posts
Since the Lake locked me out *g* I turned to DN! online, only to be treated to Buffy Sainte-Marie and a live version of Universal Soldier. Can’t beat a deal like that.
Columbus = conquest, disease, slavery.
“…governing a closely divided country is complicated and difficult.”
I was suitably dressed when I had this thought, so it should pass muster at the White House:
Obama should spend less time making gay rights more complicated and difficult than it has to be. The world would be a better place.
Jammie Wearers of the World, Unite!
Steve Benen at Washington Monthly:
What’s all this about Anonymous Sorceresses?
–(Perhaps) The Late Great Emily Littela
Did dn this morning. I went to wnyc.org, which just did an in-depth interview with Sanjay Gupta and his new book containing descriptions of the miracles worked by ice therapy, i.e., cooling the body drastically, which had allowed the survival and recovery of serveral cases or people thought to be dead. Fascinating stuff. I always thought ice was a miracle drug (use it regularly for atheletic injuries), but never realized its full power.
Over at the Great Orange VealPen, there is loud rejoicing now
that the WH has gone on the record that theydon’t hate bloggers.
I want to hear it from Obama! Maybe we should get t-shirts that say “left fringe.” Am proudly a member.
cha cha me too……..oy!
Sorry about the hiccup there folks.
Somehow I missed the introduction of the concept of VealPen. Could u plz ‘spain it to me? (Not a snark, I really don’t understand what is meant.)
hahahahahaha
that is a perfect description
of
having us by the shorthairs
Please cover your mouth when you hiccough. *g*
it is truly grotesque
Right now they have a poll asking readers how many offshore bank accounts they have. 2,116 have taken the time to submit “Zero,” versus 956 who in recognition of the (intentional) absurdity of the question responded with, “Not sure—my back alley accountant handles that stuff for me.”
They do tend to accept things at face value.
Progressive advocacy groups who allow themselves to be penned (suspend their agenda) in order to maintain their access, receiving nothing substantive in exchange.
How exactly does the “adviser” know we are wearing pajamas? Is this another element of government’s Total Information Awareness program?
it is truly a miracle,brain injury,stroke or MI….stops the inflamatory process
“That sentiment does not reflect White House thinking at all, we’ve held easily a dozen calls with the progressive online community…”
So that’s almost as many calls as Tim Geithner and Larry Summers take from Goldman execs every day. Wow. I’m impressed.
I smell fear the President might want to do something bad on healthcare he certainly just screwed the Gays but we represent the Majority of Americans view on these and many other issues.
We need to mention that and point out that we reflect the will of the majority of Americans and certainly the majority of Obama supporters.
We just drive news coverage on issues the Majority want to hear about faster before an issue gets old and forgotten.
A popular issue gets more posts and gets brought up again and again it should be called voting for news coverage you know democracy.
As opposed to Top Down controlling the message which is why MSM stocks were going down even before the bank collapse.
i shall NEVER,NEVER,EVER eat veal again…….ugh
LOL
Aha. Makes sense now that you explain it, but I was unable to figure it out from the phrase itself. Thanks.
Yes, the Total Pajama Awareness subgroup research part of TIA.
Health Reform Supporter Arnold Schwarzenegger Vetoes Multiple Health Reform Bills
new post up
Fuck the pundits.
Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee
Most of the dishes made with veal taste just as good or better using thinly sliced chicken breast.
Leading calves to the slaughter…to take it away from the cutesy Valentine imagery.
Helps to have been to at least one round-up. You know those celebrations in the West where they herd up then newborn calves, turn most of the bulls into steers, vaccinate steers and heifers against all sorts of bovine diseases, and decide which will be marketed as veal. Oh yes, and at the end of the day–beer and Rocky Mountain oysters.
I have no doubt that Hargood’s telling the truth that someone gave him the quote about bloggers in pajamas. The problem is that, as Glenn Greenwald pointed out, he’s allowing himself to be used to anonymously pass on playground insults.
A reporter should grant anonymity to whistleblowers who would lose their jobs if word got out about who the source was, for substantive stories that advance the public interest.
Did not Nixon say something about running toward the base in the Primary the extreme 10% or 20 % and then move toward the middle in the General election?
Moving away from the majority after you get elected not once or twice but all the time, I’m sure Nixon would be horrified.
I can’t say I’m impressed with this strategy though I’m sure General Custard would approve.
I never have, not for moral reasons but because it was never placed in front of me. Wouldn’t do it now in any event, for moral reasons.
I would dig up Jane’s original description of how calves are kept in cages
and carefully kept until slaughter, but my connection is so bad right now
that I think I’ll have to pass. Definitely not to be read soon after lunch.
And, like sadly@75, I will never eat veal again.
Link that could be a Diary
yup
such horrid animal cruelty
Have you tried clearing your cache, that might help.
Jane spelled it out more in more depth (and more graphically) here.
Why do they now accept things at face value, after 8 years of Bush?
Critical thinking is too hard?
I get that a lot of people got very tired during the Bush years and want to finally relax. I would love to relax. Shit keeps happening, though.
Anyone else “impressed” by how poorly blogger-lover Lee writes? He may love bloggers, but he’d never make it as one!
Yikes! That’s getting kinda personal. :)
YUP
Guess not everyone has realized that Dems can lie too.
(Using my polite indoors voice), Well, sometimes people do yell at each other here. They do, sometimes.
Have done so, thanks
Tactically distancing the WH from bloggers could be sensible politics. Hence:
Harsh and unfair to bloggers certainly. It lets the WH say they aren’t going to be pushed around because Sully is pissed off that DADT repeal wasn’t allowed to be part of DoD appropriations, something that needed to pass without the republican circus that DADT repeal will engender. meanwhile ducks are lining up within DoD and the military to make DADT repeal seem to come from the Pentagon, not us DFH. Once the Pentagon is pushing for repeal the circus will have a much shorter run and repeal will happen.
That’s a LIE! “g”
Hi demi, hope you’re having a good day. Have to go do some chores, see ya later.
Think of the comments as a neilsen ratings that tell you how much people care about your story lond detailed comments say yes we care and are very informed by the issue. A bunch of fast angry comments mean we are shocked out raged and want to know more about an issue. When we fact check and look up people’s background we suspect someone is lying.
Just how many tv viewers watch the news or read Harwood and later come here to report on MSM lies?
The ones who answer in the affirmative always CC in the IRS, right?
Is this the stupidest question of the day, or am I missing something?
Obama is NOT on our side.
I don’t knwo why so many people need so much proof of that. The cult of Obama wasn’t just some right wing craziness, it’s true.
The man is a sellout, but he has to many lefties under his spell.
Well, the pajama comment is a bit much. But, hell, as such things go, it is really pretty mild. You know, if you are going go after this administration as many left lewaning blogs have, you might expect some incoming.
The rest of the quote isn’t too far off the mark.
It is one of their throwaway polls for comedic purposes. Unsurprisingly, many respondents appear to have missed the point.
My contempt for the WH is growing… My purse is closed to them permanently. Obama gets a pants on fire for nearly everything the candidate uttered during the campaign. Just another DINO.
Jane began calling some ostensibly left/liberal groups the veal pen in this post. Previously the idiom was cynically used for low level office workers in cubicles.
Thanks for the link. It is a good post.
Thanks. Peterr’s link in 90 is also very good.
Things, you’re Thinking today. I love to people-watch too. How they interact, how the share. Sometimes I wonder about people, but mostly I enjoy the crazy and try not to take things personally.
Actually, Jesse Lee’s incoherent babbling letter to you strikes me as a prime example of meaningless “shouting across the void,” if anything does. What the hell is he talking about and who cares?
I do Bill from Maine’s polls cuz they’re sometimes so absurd, as they’re meant to be most of the time. Lotta concrete thinkers over there, doncha know.
“Off the record, on the Q-T and very hush, hush.” The smell of bad cigars, old blood and cold money, and unwashed sheets captures today’s DC as much as it did James Ellroy’s LA.
This White House, like its predecessor, acts as if it’s fulfilled its campaign slogans merely by being elected. On the contrary, it is no more open or transparent or respectful of the rule of law or the needs of 95% of Americans than its predecessor. It has just replaced the “W’s” on their keyboards with “O’s”. I bet they’re even using the same feloniously flawed e-mail system.
This White House can’t stomach that it can’t treat blogs as dismissively as it treats its stenographers at the NY Times and Washington Post. Why, blog reporters act more like Helen Thomas than Tim Russert!
The locks and chains acquired by Jacob Marley are nothing compared to those being acquired by Rahm Emanuel and the boss who hides behind him, the Chicago pol pretending to be rational, compassionate and above the fray. Mr. Emanuel’s stick-and-stick approach to engaging others may help keep Mr. Obama in elected office; it assures that he won’t return himself.
Dear White House staff,
When you are explaining, you are losing.
This is exactly why FDL is one of my main sources of info. BECAUSE THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL REPORTERS. I dropped cable , I do miss Rachel,but the MSM is so dumbed down its pathetic.
Obama is at a 25% approval rating as far as I am concerned. Just his stance on HC is enough to give him an F grade, he need to have a parent(HIM), teacher (US) conference.
I suppose a lot of it depends on a person’s background. I don’t know how people can reach adulthood without being able to recognize irony but many do. I spent my formative years residing in an absurdist theater, so not a problem.
Obama is like “W” he chooses to have creeps like Cheney and Rahm advise them both who are rattlesnakes.
Jane, this whole government shift from Obama to follow in Bush’s footsteps has been very disheartening. Well not a shift actually, rather an unshift away from a dim thinkers stance.
But then I read what you’re doing, and it is so edifying. Jane, you are my hero.
It is absolutely unnecessary for Harwood to ID his contact. However it is important to simply verify that A whitehouse source told him this, and that it was in the context of discussing the equality march. Harwood simply needs to confirm this, and much of the damage control currently being issued gets flushed down the crapper.
Perhaps when the DCCC calls askuing for netroots help or contributions we should tell them sorry, put we need the money for our Cheetos
‘White House Contempt For Bloggers and “Left of the Left” Is A Pattern’
That is because even the white house does not want to be associated with you left wing radicals… You folks represent 1% of 1% of the population.
I’m so glad a great progressive like John Harwood is there to tell us the truth. What a wonderful reporter he is and after all he said it on MSNBC, so it must be true. Also Glenn quotes those great progressive sources Politico and the Washington Post. Makes me wonder why I spend at least four hours a day on the internet getting my news, when all I need to do is listen to cable, read Politico online and get the Washington Post (perhaps the NY Times) to get the true story.
Very truthfully I daily read Christy, John Aravosis and Glenn and have great respect for them. In this instance, however, they are being childish and oververly credulous.
Kang: The politics of failure have failed. We need to make them work
again. Tomorrow, when you are sealed in the voting cubicle, vote
for me, Senator Ka… Bob Dole.
[applause]
Kodos: I am looking forward to an orderly election tomorrow, which will
eliminate the need for a violent blood bath.
[applause]
– Pre-electoral speeches, “Treehouse of Horror VII”
From the sky comes a scream, as Homer is crashing right into the
Capitol. A few footsteps later, he comes running down the stairs.
Homer: America, take a good look at your beloved candidates. They’re
nothing but hideous space reptiles. [unmasks them]
[audience gasps in terror]
Kodos: It’s true, we are aliens. But what are you going to do about
it? It’s a two-party system; you have to vote for one of us.
[murmurs]
Man1: He’s right, this is a two-party system.
Man2: Well, I believe I’ll vote for a third-party candidate.
Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.
[Kang and Kodos laugh out loud]
[Ross Perot smashes his "Perot 96" hat]
– “Treehouse of Horror VII”
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Some of Rahm’s best friends and neighborhood neighbors are bloggers. He just doesn’t like any media that goes off-message.
If overexposed nitwit Gov. Bobby Jindal feels empowered enough to fire a low-level state worker for publicly airing dissenting views in a closed forum designed to elicit them, imagine how much more empowered the Rahmster feels.
Too bad for Rahm that the price of being more media and Internet savvy is having to deal with the fact that citizens talk back, all the more so when they have so little left to lose, a problem that his and Obama’s leadership is making worse. During his stewardship, the number of citizens with little left to lose is likely to grow geometrically. Get used to it, baby. Work with it, ’cause it’s not going away.
This president and his people need to start reading some higher quality blogs. I have some to suggest. Keep it goin’, Jane. They cannot possibly believe they’re fooling anyone.
The Genius of America was that it managed, by spreading the wealth, opportunity, education and rewards, to make it a place where everyone had something to lose and thus a place where everyone had an interest in improving it.
The changes we’ve seen imposed over the last 30 years have, as the other commenter noted, made it into a place where, every single day, a lot more people have nothing left to lose.
The thing Rahm and his ilk fail or, more likely, refuse to recognize is that the most dangerous man in the world is the one who has nothing left to lose, precisely because of that. Because that state of being makes maintaining the veneer of civilization an optional exercise. But, nonetheless, the small people typified by Rahm and his ilk continue pressing their case of stripping even the last shred of dignity or wealth from the people. I suppose they hope they can get theirs before it all falls in.
I think “no drama” the “no leaks” Obama of the campaign needs to jettison the school kid with the big mouth in the WH and do it quickly.
How about a “Million Pajama March” on DC?
We’re not the damn left of the left, we are the Left! Oooh! This makes me mad!
If there is indeed an attitude of scorn and contempt in the White House toward the liberal blogosphere, I am fairly confident that it emanates almost exclusively from the Hillary/DLC side of the political fence (Rahm, Holbrooke and, of course, from Hillary herself) rather than comprehensively across the board at 1600 PA Ave.
Nevertheless that there are signs of some fissures I think there can be no doubt. And over the last 24 hours I’ve seen what could be the most dramatic example yet of that.
As many of us know, there have been some efforts expended over the last few weeks to ensure that progressive Dems on Finance vote AGAINST Baucus on final passage of the health care bill out of committee. As most of us also know, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHY THE FINANCE COMPONENT OF HEALTH REFORM IN THE SENATE
M U S T
COME FROM THE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE. The Senate HELP committee has already passed a good bill, with a strong public option, that is more than capable of being taken up by the full Senate today. The financing component can be added as an amendment by anyone, Rockefeller, Schumer, Baucus, anyone, at that time. There is no rule that says that language MUST originate from Finance.
HOWEVER, over the last few days, I’ve been inundated with messages from groups affiliated with Obama’s OFA urging passage of the current bill in Finance. As far as I know, this is the first time that many of us find ourselves directly at odds with Obama over health reform. It is unfortunate, but it does not change the fact that for many of us a defeat for Baucus tomorrow on final passage of the bill out of committee will be a VICTORY for progressives, NOT a defeat. I hope we will all remember that as the clock ticks down to tomorrow’s vote.
Harwood enjoyed repeating the gratuitous slam at his blogging competitors, as did the “anonymous” White House source in giving the quote. Serves them both right.
2/3 of Americans support a public option as well as housing and job discrimination protections for LGBT.
Fewer than 1/2 of Americans support same sex marriage, gays in the military and an individual mandate w/o PO.
Yet we are seeing a focus on military and marriage and a downplaying of a public option, ENDA and housing protections for LGBT.
Supermajorities mean these issues are not closely divided at all.
Is this what Democracy looks like?
I have the highest respect for your views, but must respectfully disagree on this occasion.
Although Ridge didn’t answer all questions, he did come. Was it perfect? Not by a long shot.
But it was, I hope, the beginning of a more civil conversation among people who might not otherwise come in contact.
That’s no small thing — especially after the past 30 years, particularly the most recent 8.
Tweety says he “can’t remember the president” saying anything about the Public Option.
I guess a few million dollars, and a TV team that includes the people that have the clips for the later shows is not enought to find Obama say he will (the quote is very close to this, sorry its from “memory”):
“veto a plan that does not have a Publc option”
MSNBC:
morning to ~ 4/5pm all Republican
Then they now go Ed (since progressive is working for their lineup), but before that it was essentially the “new middle” (Tweety, that is to say middle and then 5 steps right)
8- KO, progressive
9 – Maddow, progressive
Bingo. Bush league.
Kill the messangers, and do not deal with facts and debate.
Nice recipe for a country.
From what I have heard this is correct.
The biz money is what put him there, the extra money and footwork from us peons was a help – but may not be needed for re-election. For his sake (not mine) I hope he is correct, since he is a term loser if he does not “have the math”.
Once we get to around next March (2010) that is about all that will be left, to hope he is climbing a ladder to do what he wants, one rung at a time.
By this I mean with each issue, not that he is only working on one issue at a time. That its a “stepping stone”.
My hope will be gone by then. Heck if it comes down to that might as well go R and get what’s good for me (“another protester has crossed the line, to find the moneys on the other side”).
Chuck, like Obama and his team do this all the time.
I tend to think its the diminish others, and a form of people power that is not easy to control (perhaps).
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Your other point, I have seen news and LOTS OF REPORTING on blogs. With the combination of news and blogs I get I usually know the MSM “news” about 1 – 2 days before NPR “reports” it, and 2 – 4 days before MSNBC/CNN/etc. I watch Fox and the like only as research, and they almost never come close to finding the news.
I am SO incredibly sick of this tired, old line: Bloggers are just kids.
Does it take a rocket scientist to see blogs are just like the old-fashioned media in that, in both cases, there are good and bad? Liars and truth-tellers. Firedoglake and LittleGreenFootballs.
I have been on blogs for over a decade. Is it too much to ask that people whose actions actually affect Americans start living in 2009, and actually LEARN what is going on? Or, if they DO know, and are lying, get booted out of office?
And another thing — TV. I hear time and again how MSNBC is “left-wing.” Really? Keith and Rachel are left-of center, but there are also Morning Joe, Tweety, and the entire news people. THAT is equivalent to Fox? Are you f-ing kidding me?
Okay, so let’s assume that Harwood is a lying tool. It’s still Obama’s problem. If he didn’t regularly talk to reporters off the record and allow leaks without heads rolling (assuming he doesn’t leak deliberately), then he could say that the guy’s lying as proven by the fact that nothing was said to him outside the press conference that had tons of witnesses and cameras rolling. He must have made it up. Since they play cutesy, people are going to believe that’s what’s going on in cases like this whether it’s true or not. If he lived up to his transparency in govt rhetoric, he’d be better off in health care, with the bloggers, with the LGBT community and with the general public. The fact that he hasn’t and isn’t is his own damned fault.
Netanyahu expressed similar contempt for the “fringes” on both sides with on Charlie Rose. Obama seems to have more contempt for the left “fringe” he has betrayed than those with surreal bias against him on the right. Dis the moralists more than the wingnuts.
They are running scared in a way, though, because the drumbeat on the left is getting through. Sadly, the media is bought off and a propaganda machine for all things corporate.
Time to let go of the Public Option faux-football and mobilize for Single Payer Medicare for All. We need to mobilize. Notice all the health care facility ads on tv right now? The industry is calling in their markers, and Obama and Congress needs to perform a lot to show they are trying really hard but not really, if anything bringing us from crumbs to croutons, but my thought they won’t even turn out to be croutons but smaller, crueler crumbs.
Obama lowers the sites to pre-existing conditions waiver and will criminalize the uninsured as a tradeoff, mandatory for all, not affordable, no sane. Bigger bonanza for all these moneyed fat cats than now. Wow. He deserves an Academy Award, not the Nobel Peace Prize.
Last year Helmsley, CEO of UnitedHealth brought home $57,000 a day salary. We can’t inconvenience Mr. Helmsley now, can we?