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LESTER HOLT: John what we saw in that protest today, was it simply frustration or does it represent a serious problem the President is having with an important part of his base?
JOHN HARWOOD: As a practical matter Lester I don’t think it’s a serious problem. we’ve seen and certainly Bill Clinton learned that they Democratic President can get punished by the mainstream of the electorate for being too aggressive on social issues so for now I think the administration feels that if they take care of the big issues — health care, energy, the economy — he’s going to be just fine with this group.
HOLT: But in general when yo look at the left as a whole, have there been conversations about some things they thought would have been done but haven’t?
HARWOOD: Sure but If you look at the polling, Barack Obama is doing well with 90% or more of Democrats so the White House views this opposition as really part of the “internet left fringe” Lester. And for a sign of how seriously the White House does or doesn’t take this opposition, one adviser told me today those bloggers need to take off their pajamas, get dressed and realize that governing a closely divided country is complicated and difficult.
That is just classic. After pandering to LGBT leaders last night the truth comes out. Dear gays: grow up and let us get about the serious business of governance. Signed, some dude who’s too afraid to give his real name.
And old anonymous is, of course, full of shit. Obama’s poll numbers took a 10 point hit with Democrats after Kathleen Sebelius said the White House was willing to ditch the public option. She had to dial it back instantly, and ever since that time they’ve been scrambling to find a way to give the public option the heave-ho in a way that didn’t backlash on the President.
Word has it the White House polling department finally struck gold with the opt-out, so they got “progressives” to sell it to their fellow progressives and keep Rahm’s fingerprints off of it.
That’s an awful lot of trouble to go to for people you dismiss — anonymously, of course.




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dham!
A quarter of a million people in the streets today probably made some WH functionary late to his what-kind-of-doughnuts-for-Common-Purpose planning meeting this afternoon. So he’s bitter. And stupidly talking down the marchers to John Harwood.
This will need walking back. Oh, yes we can.
“Sharply divided” is a Rahm meme, isn’t it? Sounds like a guy who barely got his President elected with 43% of the vote in 1992.
Well, Obama got elected by lying to the same group of people and suckering them into carrying his water as his activist base in the election. Disingenuity has gotten him this far, why quit now?
You’re listening to “anonymous White House aides” and to John Harwood? Oh please!
Barney Frank was the guy today dissing the protesters.
… but first, of course, drop their checks to the DNC,DSCC and DCCC in the mail.
All D*** solicitations to Chez Allan are being returned to sender with “Not one dime without a public option” scrawled across the front.
This makes me so mad I want to spit Cheetos.
I guess all those sick people who need healthcare should get out of their pajamas too and suck it up–because governing is hard work.
At long last.
A cure for triangulation-induced nausea: Drahmamine
wait, stop for a sec. it’s irresponsible to even paraphrase “Dear gays: grow up and let us get about the serious business of governance. ” because the blind quote (irresponsible journalism) doesn’t even mention gays. seems illogical for a WH (or any other) source to tell marchers to take off their pajamas. The unnamed source was slighting the left as a whole, but it was the reporter, not the source, who tied the info about today’s march with the pajama quote.
Democrats are so traumatized by the Clinton years. The undisguised fear they show of a “backlash” from the phantom “center-right” electorate has really become pathetic.
Or Hr 676 Single Payer. Actually, you might think about sending these Dee Cee Village D’s a check. But make it for “one dollar”, or even ten cents. It is more annoying and I think legally they have to process those checks.
Did FireDogLake talk about the “largest demonstration for gay rights in decades” today on the blog? Nope! Not on the front page at all. It would have been great to have Jane or someone out there taking pictures/videos to post here so those in-the-know could read or watch them.
And…
Who cares what anyone in DC thinks about us bloggers? None of us started blogging with the idea we wanted the White House, the MSM, or our representatives to like us. We started blogging to get our voices heard. They’re listening obviously. Stop listening to them, though! Who gives a flying rats ass what they think or what they think about the largest demonstration on gay rights in decades! It’s their opinion and it’s not set in stone. Gees.
Post John Harwood’s phone number/email address and then we’ll ask him if the White House really thinks of us as the ‘internet left fringe’. Guaranteed they don’t! (Well, it’s possible the WH hates those liberals who have bashed him since Day 2 of his presidency because he didn’t end all the wars, close all the prisons, fix the financial situation, and all the other stuff promised, and didn’t get it done by 12noon the following Saturday!)
Pam’s read on this
I wonder if “fringe” was John Harwood’s word or the White House Rahm-apparatchik’s characterization?
Next time we need to know how to spend our Sunday, I guess we can check in with KayinMaine!
To me, “QueerJohn” is correct:
STOP LISTENING TO THE RIGHT WING FRINGE’S ASSESSMENT OF US, PLEASE! Gees. Okay, going to bed with a side cramp tonight. LOL
By the way, here’s some coverage of the March today.
Also at AmericaBlog.
And at Towleroad.
You honestly don’t have to. I was the only person in the state of Maine to protest Tony Perkins (and 3,000 of his worshipers!) of the “Family” Research Council a few Sundays ago, so when I have an idea no one cares. LOL!
Goodnight. :-)
Did you watch it on C-SPAN?
C-SPAN’s coverage:
http://c-span.org/Watch/Media/2009/10/11/HP/A/24091/National+Equality+March+in+Washington.aspx
Hmmm – I was evidently in a parallel FDL comment universe! I swear massachio was #5 with a cheeto comment.
Does anyone recall White House anonymice disrespecting the fake astroturf teabaggers last month?
Get dressed, Jane. (and what shoes?) or boots?
They don’t get it at all.
And from today’s FDL front page.
All in all, I’d rather the WH worry about people in hospital gowns than jammies.
Shorter White House: Hold your friends
in contemptclose and your enemies closer.The day one of those cold-hearted slugs shows up at a Chapter 7 meeting of creditors and gets a close look at the parade of human misery I see every single day, I promise to rip off whichever silk tie I’m wearing and shred it.
And what’s “fringe-y” about wanting equal rights, especially when the President asked us nicely just yesterday to continue to pressure his Administration and Congress to make things right?
More than two-thirds of Americans want DADT repealed. That is no more a “fringe” position than Public Option, and is supported by about the same number of people.
Healthcare, sellout, won’t work; energy, sellout, won’t work; economy, big time sellout, and a crash coming. So maybe not so fine just with this group or the rest of the country come to that.
If Michelle could go across the street and ladle up dinner at a soup kitchen for the homeless, I think getting Rahm, Axelrod, Geithner, or one of the other Powers That Be to spend a morning in a meeting like that could be a very good idea.
Which, of course, means it will never ever happen.
Obama talks the talk but he hasn’t walked the walk. An FDR he isn’t. More like a Herbert Hoover.
Are we ready to talk about Dean or somebody in the next primary yet?
I can vouch for that– I was there too. I hope massachio makes it back OK.
How about when people like Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson were organizing people by publishing broadsheets? Were they just “printing press fringe” who needed to take off their shop aprons?
Dismissing a large group of people simply because of the communications medium they use is very disingenuous. Maybe if the demonstrators had all organized using BlackBerries it would have been more legitimate in the eyes of the DC insiders?
And as regards Internet Fringe Candidate Obama’s remarks on MLK Day, 2008:
There it is.
Hey Rahm: I don’t wear pajamas.
Fringe . . . fringe . . . fringe . . .
Why is this ringing a bell for me?
According to Jewish tradition, the fringe can be rather special:
The purpose of the garment is to hold the fringe, and the purpose of the fringe is to remind people of the Commandments. You know, things like not bearing false witness, not stealing, not coveting . . .
Rahm might want to take note. The Fringe can be kind of a big deal. A badge of honor, even.
Well! Thank you White House for the compliment. You would not be commenting if we were ineffective.
Thank you Jane for leadership.
We’re not going away. We live here.
I got to admit I was one of those who was seduced by the dark side initially and thought OPT-OUT wasn’t such a bad idea. But I took the time to read the posts & comments on FDL and did a 180 pretty quickly. OPT-OUT is for shit. We need to make that clear to Rahm and the other poll humpers at the white house.
Of course not Teddy, they are partial to tea in the WH. They are not so fond of Pam’s House Blend ; )
Is there any doubt that the “one adviser” is that a$$hat, foul-mouthed, pea-brained pissant who lost the 2004 elections? Rahmie boy, go shove it where the sun don’t shine – and I KNOW you know what I mean! (You have to talk to him in his filthy language because he never learned to talk politely, and I blame his mother for that.)
I propose we all go on the WH e-mail form and tell THEM to take off the Pajamas!
They did wear their pajamas.
If the administration wasn’t in the habit of giving anonymous quotes on a daily basis that might be fair, but reporters regularly complain that they show up for ON the record briefings at the White House only to be told that it’s on background. It’s a regular habit so you can’t just say that the ones you don’t like aren’t legitimate. They need to stop the practice completely or take responsibility for the ones that get out there that backlash on them. There’s a reason the person didn’t give their name.
Harwood said that “the White House views this opposition as really part of the ‘internet left fringe’” so yes, you’re right, he did make the connection — based on what he says he was told. By an aide in the White House, knowing he was going on the national news momentarily to talk about the march.
The appropriate thing for the White House to do at this point is free Harwood up to reveal his source. Because if they just deny that the statement was accurate without doing so, it’ll always be trapped in that nether region of journalistic privilege. And the “anonymous source” will have achieved their desired objective of getting it out there without having to wear it.
And if Harwood is lying, he should have to own that, too. But the only way we’ll know for sure is if they free him up to reveal the source and the source contradicts him on the record.
Get the impression that our viewpoint makes the WH, Rahm, and assorted others nervous. We must be doing something right……or left.
Sorry, we had a Dixie Chicks mashup there for a minute. Still getting used to the new system.
I’ve got my pajamas off, now what?
P.S. don’t laugh, it’s REALLY cold in here!
Hey pups, been out of touch for awhile, and just don’t have the time tonight to read all the past week and a half of posts. I’m sure it’s been brought up, so sorry for repeating, but can someone, anyone, please explain to me why we have to have an “opt out” for a program that is already an “opt in”???? I mean public OPTION means only people that choose it, or opt in, get it. I can’t for the fucking life of me understand why this is selling. WTF????? Is this country really, truly, this fucking stupid????
Dammit, sorry pups, but it seems the more this goes on the more pissed off I’m getting. And now I discover I’m “fringe”????? I’m “fringe” because I believe in human rights and civil rights??? When the hell did that become “fringe” in the USA???
Godddddammmiiiitttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When media or anons make sweeping statements about bloggers..it rubs me the wrong way like when someone says “those people”.
Long, long ago (Jan. 15, 2009), in a galaxy far, far away (Robert Gibbs’ mouth):
It depends on what you mean by “Yes”, “committed” and “following through”.
Time for another fundraiser.
Thanks, egregious. Just read Pam’s Blend.. and I’ve been hearing from friends in LGBTQ community who are hopeful, but they sense some of the rhetoric they heard last night was just another yank at the GAY-TM. About Harwood? IMHO: Feh! About whoever in the WH backpedalled on the very vocal very active Left.. Just how wrong could that person be? Rachel will weigh in tomorrow. And I expect to see friends’ own video clips start popping up on YouTube. Yes, not MSM, but us lefties, in our pajamas.
One tweet a friend shared last night as he sat listening to BO at the HRC dinner:
” Dear President Obama thank u for being one of two Black people besides the servers at the #HRC Gala”
And another friend reported earlier tonight: “NBC-News A BIG star! they just did a 4 and a half minute piece on the Equality March as their top story and without any stereotypes.”
-bleuz
Anonymous sources need to be scorned for the most part.
G’night Kay! Hope you feel better?
Sorry, I had company. In town to take pictures of the march:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/9128
No big whoop,(figured it was an HTML thing, as the side bar wasn’t displaying correctly either) except that for a minute I thought EPU was TOTALLY happening!
Amen to that, Jane!
And I have to offer this: http://bit.ly/SmilingRainbow
Well if you just sit quietly and believe it, that’s fine with them, I expect. But acting on it!
Behaving like a citizen, speaking your mind, writing your thoughts in public media…that’s too much!
So keep on doing it. If it pisses them off, you’re doing something right.
Edit: For ThatOldGuy
Bloggers need to take off their pajamas, anonymous White House aide says?
I think the bigger problem the White House and the Democratic Congress have is that I am one of the fully dressed wing of the American citizenry who only joined you “pajama-wearing bloggers” two weeks ago because of their failures and weaknesses.
Nor am I alone in being among the fully dressed wing of the American citizenry who’s most unhappy precisely because we finally got our government back and our elected representatives are wasting this opportunity to achieve some great things.
They turned my into a pajama-wearing blogger! (just joking)
Ultimately Obama has to take responsibility for the disparaging remarks of his staff toward his base. That is unacceptable. But the truth is the Internet is a powerful tool for activism and the mere fact that we’re annoying somebody in the White House shows we’re having an effect. And we’re just getting started.
“White House Thinks” my ass. It’s some anonymous “aide”. Total bullshit for Jane to characterize it this way.
Jane and Greenwald REALLY hate Barack Obama. They seriously effing HATE his guts, and it shows.
Looks like John Harwood characterized it this way to me.
Right on!
Right on!
RIGHT ON!
Slightly OT: Is New America Foundation part of the veal pen? Just askin’.
You didn’t see this quote from John Harwood?
Try to come to some semblance of reality.
Nobody has said they hate Obama. All we are asking is that he hold true to his campaign promises.
Nothing weird, nothing the electorate didn’t vote for, just being honest.
Peachy, I guess I get to be a pajama wearing lunatic fringe left wing blogger. I feel downright honored, considering I am an old grandmother and have barely mastered my computer – well, actually not even that. Basically I know how to turn it on and off and type.
No hatred, just want the man to do what he said he would if we elected him.
Close Gitmo.
Give LGBT citizens equal rights.
End the secret presidency.
Funny how many candidate’s heads explode when you ask them to do what they said they would do.
New America Foundation sponsored Health CEOs for Health Reform.
Which is sort of like “Roman Polanskis for Teen Abstinence”.
I’m cold. I am going to put my jammies back on.
Can’t one generally just assume that anonymous sources in this WH smell of Rahm?
NYT says 150,000 in DC–is this correct? If so, note the difference in media coverage of this, and the ca. 30K-40K for the “astroturf” march on DC a few weeks back. Media saturated the airwaves with coverage of the astroturfers.
I made the same complaint @47. Now I’m frostbitten.
It just occurred to me that the WH may have felt one of those bipartisan fetish urges, since the Communications Director called Fox Noise a “wing of the Republican party” today
And the LA Times.
I was flamed because I said I enjoyed basement blogging. I do not wear PJ’s and I prefer Whole Food’s snacks (even though I am boycotting them).
Yes.
This has been another edition ….
OK, now the gloves are REALLY off
PERMANENTLY!
Well, he can keep some things secret. For example, I don’t know why the media thought I needed to know that he didn’t wear a tie when he had dinner with his wife on their anniversary. Just an example.
Hey! You do wear PJ’s to bed, right? (Rhetorical question. Do not answer ;-)
Well then WELCOME GABRIELE!
Everyone will help if you have questions.
I thought it was the left wingers on the internet that raised millions of dollars, organized phone bankers and neighborhood canvassers for Obama that helped get him elected. Wasn’t it the internet, our outreach, flash-speed corrections of the opposition campaigns lies, and all the web-based work that was done that had Obama’s back. These are todays left wing bloggers born from his campaign workers and organizers. The WH disses us at their peril. Left wing bloggers realized their power and they learned how to use it. Guys like Harwood are threatened. He has a hard time leaving behind his WSJ days and his second nature to trash the left.
Good gurl!
Yes. It will be interesting to behold.
Warm bath.
Of course not! But if someone wants to, that is a free choice for them. They do not deserve ridicule from Mr. Anonymous. But there are a few people who use the basement to crank up the stereo to “11″.
But Mr. Emanuel, I mean Mr. Anonymous might be made up, because Harwood is no credible source to me. More confusion and distraction to save the Health Insurance predators.
Forget all this opting and co-opting. Support HR 676 and have no fall back position. At least demand a vote on HR 676, a better Medicare for all.
call me crazy but this tells me Pam Spaulding and possibly Aravosis had an impact
what a churlish, childish response from the so called grown ups. and how willing they are to insult the listener’s intelligence with tired, broadly drawn, incredibly dated schtick -
..
Let’s talk turkey here. For starters, there weren’t a quarter-million people at that event. It was broadcast on CSPAN, and you could see them gathered on the West Lawn of the Capitol. They didn’t cover all of it, and there were big gaps in the crowd. There might have been 25,000 there, but probably fewer.
There was a lot of involvement from the Socialist Workers, who got a speaking slot on the podium. Among other things, they printed most of the signs. Most gay people ignored the march, having learned from the last two of them that marches on Washington don’t accomplish anything. Barney Frank was right when he dismissed this event.
On the substance, many on the fringe somehow think that Obama himself can repeal DADT and DOMA. Someone needs to take a remedial civics lesson. Those are federal laws, and the president can’t just strike them down. Congress has to do it, and that takes a coordinated, prolonged effort. Not just a march on a sunny day in October.
So you know what? Even though I’ve been gay for 35 years and bitterly oppose DOMA and DADT, I really can’t blame the anonymous White House aide. The Equality march was poorly planned, badly executed, and unrepresentative of the gay community at large, which supports Obama and is willing to give him time to get things done.
Yeah. Granted, I have no trouble imagining Rahm saying this — and I notice that Team Obama never leaked like this during the campaign, never at all in fact prior to Rahm’s becoming Chief of Staff — but this sounds to me like an old-media type (Harwood) looking to make a nice little jab at the icky bloggers undermining his punditry meal ticket.
Why would Rahm, “anonymous,” have said those things to Harwood unless he wanted us to hear it? Labeling us “bloggers” in order to mock and dismiss us seems odd.
Of course, you’re other theory makes sense. Maybe Harwood just made it up.
Yer not gay, and there’s a bridge that wants you back.
It’s Rahm’s Bridge, BTW. You know it and wear it well.
Nite Sweetie. Tell Rahm I said screw him, and the policy butt he rode in on.
*smilessweetly*
Since when is LGBT civil rights an issue of the left?
The strategic incompetence of this march proves that the LGBT veal pen has as little street cred with the LGBT base as it does strategic capacity. Michael Petrelis was correct on this one months out, its nothing but Cleve Jones and activist socialites revealed as illegitimate. And to think, there is real work that needs to be done in Maine against measure 1 which would repeal same sex marriage.
Semblance above suggests Jane and Glenn G “hate Obama”.
This is a variant of racist teabaggers, anyone who disagrees is evil, or a pajama wearing fringe nut.
A variation from Clinton, perhaps:
I feel your pain, now fuckoff.
Jane and Glen are the currently lonely ones consistently asking if any of the 2-3 million words issued by this fellow will ever actually mean anything.
This anonymous slap in the face is stunning.
Lacks the standard nuance, to understate the matter.
In light of Barney Frank’s surprising stamp down, it adds up as orchestrated. Folks are now expected to sit down and shut up, stop causing trouble so they can do more important stuff, save the planet, save the world,
build statues, etc.
Eventually they will abandon everyone that brought them there, and form a nice tight circular firing squad.
Bush managed to do a bang up job without as substantial a majority as Obama has. Bush had mandates, Obama has what; Bush’s back?
Based on the careful way he phrased that, Barney Frank could have been his source. He is an advisor to the President on financial consumer protection, and may even be helping write the bill. He advised the President on it just this Friday.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/33242042
I wish somebody would ask Barney Frank if he is the one who said that to John Harwood. It’s no worse than what he is on record saying. Leaving it like it is threatens to undo the progress President Obama made with his speech.
If pajamas is the best slur they can come up with, they are lame and boring. If they insist on anonymity, they know they are lame and boring.
And excellent fodder for SNL.
The goal of the ‘powerful liberal bloggers’ is to hate Obama publicly and it doesn’t matter if Frank said it or not. See? By hating Obama, they think Obama is going to drop like a sack of potatoes to the ground for them to continue to kick. But that’s not happening is it? Nope. If I was in Obama shoes and 2 days into my new presidency I saw the ‘powerful liberal bloggers’ having hissy fits constantly and banning with the right wing fringe every time an “anonymous WH source” said anything, I too wouldn’t be grateful for their service.
I believe the national discussion on gay rights will come AFTER health care reform is signed into law. But hey! The ‘powerful liberal bloggers’ wanted all of our issues fixed by the first Saturday of Obama’s presidency and they will not wait a minute longer!
Seriously, if they were my kids they would not be getting dessert after dinner and would be grounded.
KayInMaine,
I’ve posted some photos on Seminal. Here’s the link: http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/9128
I hope to have many more up today.
I still think the idea of a cage match to the death between the Left Fringe and Right Fringe would provide unsurpassed entertainment, huge pay-per-view revenue, and finally rid us of the lunatics who are operating under the delusion that they somehow represent a meaningful segment of society.
Do I hear a second?
John Harwood is a tool. He is on the fringe status-wise of the Beltway Punditocracy. He is also a right centrist, but is brought on to cable talk shows as a liberal. Here is an unattributed quote, from one person, given to a fool who may have misinterpreted it and jazz it up so he would have something to talk about playing the “insider.” Christy picks it up and also Americablog as if its’ the gospel truth. We even have speculation that it might be from the evil “Rahm.” This is not only bad reporting but it also gives a good indication on why we Progressives have such a hard time getting our agenda through. Come on people, we know the MSM is full of crap, can we stop being continually played by it. I’m an old time Movement guy from the 60′s. We had the power to change things and then dissipated it in internecine warfare.
Good points, all
Disigenuity worked from the start and if it works why fix it. No one wanted to discuss this flaw a year ago. Pajamas or suits, we all need to keep the pressure on Obama to be change whether he likes it not. In his short period as President he has completely lost a clear view of what the average citizen is facing. We are the only ones who can provide the reality checks.
I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure there was someone between Bill Clinton and the current President of the United States who faced a much, much, much more divided country. He was pretty centrist wasn’t he? And if he wasn’t I’m sure honest men like John Harwood were subtly counseling him to moderation.
And there were some protests recently weren’t there? Hosebaggers, something like that. I don’t remember them being called a fringe and demeaned by Mr. Harwood, in the name of an anonymous White House source of course.
And we can be disappointed, annoyed and impatient with President Obama, he is our president and people die while we wait. But as for his accomplishments toward world peace turning the doomsday clock back a few minutes by abandoning Bush’s insipid Poland missle defense scheme and getting the world to agree to reduce nuclear weapons with an eye to being rid of them isn’t too shabby -for someone only in office 9 months.
SO ready :( What a disappointment. Of course I knew that when I voted…..again had to vote for the best of the worst. SO sick of it. This country get exactly what they deserve; the corporate rich having nearly ALL the US income while the other 90% have to make due with the rest….@10% :(
The corporate states of america fueled by ignorance and fear.
Well YOU might not be…..but then again, you might not get a second term, either. The left has PLENTY to be angry about…..AGAIN.