Comments on: “Silver Bullet” In The Head For the Public Option http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:33:20 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: iremember54 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52336 iremember54 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:56:34 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52336 <p>Here we are all three hundred million of us batting about all that the Congress does, and other peoples opinions on what we should have or not have on healthcare.<br /> Worrying about red and blue states, right and left, like little kids fighting over a piece of candy.<br /> We like the fools we are, are waiting to find out what 535 people will give us. Just like kids Christmas morning wondering what might be under the tree. Like those kids we have hinted, ask, and even told them what we want, but them like parents will supply what they want to give, which is seldom what we ask for.<br /> We like those kids dare not make to much of a fuss, or we might get nothing. We like those kids can’t demand anything because like parents, the Congress controls our lives.<br /> This is not the scenario our forefathers wanted our Government to be, or for us to be in. They wanted us to tell our Government what we wanted from it, by sending our representatives to it. We let those people become our deciders, and haven’t demanded they represent us for many years. So we get what they give, and take what they shove, and end up sucking on it like an all day lolly pop. We have no other choice, and not what it takes to fight it.</p> Here we are all three hundred million of us batting about all that the Congress does, and other peoples opinions on what we should have or not have on healthcare.
Worrying about red and blue states, right and left, like little kids fighting over a piece of candy.
We like the fools we are, are waiting to find out what 535 people will give us. Just like kids Christmas morning wondering what might be under the tree. Like those kids we have hinted, ask, and even told them what we want, but them like parents will supply what they want to give, which is seldom what we ask for.
We like those kids dare not make to much of a fuss, or we might get nothing. We like those kids can’t demand anything because like parents, the Congress controls our lives.
This is not the scenario our forefathers wanted our Government to be, or for us to be in. They wanted us to tell our Government what we wanted from it, by sending our representatives to it. We let those people become our deciders, and haven’t demanded they represent us for many years. So we get what they give, and take what they shove, and end up sucking on it like an all day lolly pop. We have no other choice, and not what it takes to fight it.

]]> By: djfourmoney http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52324 djfourmoney Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:02:23 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52324 <p>All of sudden its not a hot idea huh? - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWXRwrYa4oU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWXRwrYa4oU</a></p> <p> T.R Reid - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSmfZ1tlj7Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSmfZ1tlj7Y</a></p> <p> Not the best idea, but you have two choices you can LEAVE your Red State or Force them to Cover you.</p> All of sudden its not a hot idea huh? – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWXRwrYa4oU

T.R Reid – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSmfZ1tlj7Y

Not the best idea, but you have two choices you can LEAVE your Red State or Force them to Cover you.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52191 letsgetitdone Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:36:59 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52191 <p>I think it depends on the particular type of PO that is passed. If everyone can select the PO, and if the subsidies were large enough and mandates were there, it would certainly provide universal coverage or very close to it. The House bill leaves 17 million uninsured because it’s not as strong as this. It has ineligibility and subsidy constraints.</p> I think it depends on the particular type of PO that is passed. If everyone can select the PO, and if the subsidies were large enough and mandates were there, it would certainly provide universal coverage or very close to it. The House bill leaves 17 million uninsured because it’s not as strong as this. It has ineligibility and subsidy constraints.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52190 letsgetitdone Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:24:54 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52190 <p>Health care as a “human right.”</p> Health care as a “human right.”

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52189 letsgetitdone Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:23:30 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52189 <p>Score one for our side. If this is our principle, then we can’t compromise on a PO bill that will leave 17 million uncovered.</p> Score one for our side. If this is our principle, then we can’t compromise on a PO bill that will leave 17 million uncovered.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52188 letsgetitdone Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:16:52 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52188 <p>That’s true. The devil is in the details. No opt-out of a National PO plan should be agreed to without a heavy price for our side being exacted. </p> <p>How about this price? </p> <p>1) An opt-in for States to extend the right to their under 65 citizens to buy into Medicare in place of the PO system?</p> <p>2) Subsidies for people under a certain income who want to migrate from one State to another to take advantage of either the PO or the Medicare options</p> <p>3) A guarantee from the blue dogs and any Republicans proposing the compromise that they will vote against cloture and also vote for the final bill.</p> That’s true. The devil is in the details. No opt-out of a National PO plan should be agreed to without a heavy price for our side being exacted.

How about this price?

1) An opt-in for States to extend the right to their under 65 citizens to buy into Medicare in place of the PO system?

2) Subsidies for people under a certain income who want to migrate from one State to another to take advantage of either the PO or the Medicare options

3) A guarantee from the blue dogs and any Republicans proposing the compromise that they will vote against cloture and also vote for the final bill.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52186 letsgetitdone Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:06:01 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52186 <p>Hawes assumed this:</p> <blockquote><p>“A) strong public option with an opt out provision<br /> B) weak public option<br /> C) public option with BS trigger<br /> D) no public option”</p></blockquote> <p>Within that scenario what do you pick? If you pick anything but A), then you’re the “dickweed,” not Hawes.</p> <p>Let’s be clear, if there’s anything we can do to get a strong PO without an opt-out provision, we certainly should do that. But, if not, Hawes is right.</p> Hawes assumed this:

“A) strong public option with an opt out provision
B) weak public option
C) public option with BS trigger
D) no public option”

Within that scenario what do you pick? If you pick anything but A), then you’re the “dickweed,” not Hawes.

Let’s be clear, if there’s anything we can do to get a strong PO without an opt-out provision, we certainly should do that. But, if not, Hawes is right.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52182 letsgetitdone Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:15:44 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52182 <p>Margaret, I really don’t think that’s the problem. Rahm’s his tool. He just needs to tell Rahm to do something different. Rahm may be unpleasant, but he’s not in charge. If we don’t like what the Administration is doing, we need to fire Obama.</p> Margaret, I really don’t think that’s the problem. Rahm’s his tool. He just needs to tell Rahm to do something different. Rahm may be unpleasant, but he’s not in charge. If we don’t like what the Administration is doing, we need to fire Obama.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52181 letsgetitdone Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:11:07 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52181 <p>Lyndon Johnson, the father of Medicare, was also a Texan.</p> Lyndon Johnson, the father of Medicare, was also a Texan.

]]> By: cbl2 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52165 cbl2 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:28:52 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/#comment-52165 <p>good on ya for the call !</p> <p>you are not confused. the point of the Pledge action all along was <strong>accountability</strong> - he will have well deserved trouble for any backtracking</p> good on ya for the call !

you are not confused. the point of the Pledge action all along was accountability – he will have well deserved trouble for any backtracking

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