Comments on: Public Option Opt Out Denies Help to Those Who Need It Most http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:33:20 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: justbetty http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52360 justbetty Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:55:40 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52360 <p>This is way into EPU Land, but I want to note:<br /> Barack Obama : “There are no red states or blue states, there are only the United States of America.”</p> <p>Pledge of Allegiance: “one nation, under God.” - if I remember correctly.</p> <p>We can’t just leave some of our citizens behind.</p> This is way into EPU Land, but I want to note:
Barack Obama : “There are no red states or blue states, there are only the United States of America.”

Pledge of Allegiance: “one nation, under God.” – if I remember correctly.

We can’t just leave some of our citizens behind.

]]> By: mapsguy1955 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52358 mapsguy1955 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:05:30 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52358 <p>It seems that much of the fighting is within our constituencies. Nobody thinks the opt-out provision is universal healthcare, but if it can be implemented within a short period of time it can provide the foundation for a future single payer. The key is that it needs to be passed and implemented FAST, before we lose our perceived advantages in Congress.</p> It seems that much of the fighting is within our constituencies. Nobody thinks the opt-out provision is universal healthcare, but if it can be implemented within a short period of time it can provide the foundation for a future single payer. The key is that it needs to be passed and implemented FAST, before we lose our perceived advantages in Congress.

]]> By: Legion303 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52356 Legion303 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:40:14 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52356 <p>If 9 of these 10 states are run by republicans, then it would appear Grayson was absolutely correct in his assessment of the republican health care plan.</p> If 9 of these 10 states are run by republicans, then it would appear Grayson was absolutely correct in his assessment of the republican health care plan.

]]> By: SeanWaltman http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52350 SeanWaltman Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:54:46 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52350 <p>If this is all that can pass then we should pass it, and I say this as a low income Texas resident. We should still try to push for universal coverage, but if this is the only way then I don’t mind making the sacrifice in the hopes that we will get a public option in the future.</p> <p>Of course, I can’t speak for everyone else who will have to suffer the consequences along side me. However, in the words of Thomas Paine, “Time changes more minds than reason.” And I can only hope that the prosperity enjoyed by the other states will inspire Texas residents to demand the same.</p> If this is all that can pass then we should pass it, and I say this as a low income Texas resident. We should still try to push for universal coverage, but if this is the only way then I don’t mind making the sacrifice in the hopes that we will get a public option in the future.

Of course, I can’t speak for everyone else who will have to suffer the consequences along side me. However, in the words of Thomas Paine, “Time changes more minds than reason.” And I can only hope that the prosperity enjoyed by the other states will inspire Texas residents to demand the same.

]]> By: priceman http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52346 priceman Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:33:59 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52346 <blockquote><p>I think people would move from one state to another for healthcare if their situation is serious enough. Consequently, those states could have higher costs than they otherwise would have. If it fails, proof that the public option doesn’t work.</p></blockquote> <p>I don’t think so. I’m not calling you one, but some Republicans made that same argument on Katrina. If they just moved to their Summer homes that wouldn’t of happened or to a better state. People can’t move just because they want to all the time, especially in this economy.</p> <p>It’s not just the states with those costs, it’s the system as a whole as a small percentage of the sickest people(10% = 2/rd of all Medical costs in this country) reside in the states that will opt out and will be the most expensive everyone pays for; not to mention the state lobbyists buying the legislatures even in blue states to opt out. The same problems in Washington are just as bad at the state level.</p> <p>This will not be a true public option but it will be perceived as the public option failing as I outlined above with detail. then any effort for a foothole for real reform with a true public option mechanism however weak to build on later(like with SS) will not be possible like it is now.</p>

I think people would move from one state to another for healthcare if their situation is serious enough. Consequently, those states could have higher costs than they otherwise would have. If it fails, proof that the public option doesn’t work.

I don’t think so. I’m not calling you one, but some Republicans made that same argument on Katrina. If they just moved to their Summer homes that wouldn’t of happened or to a better state. People can’t move just because they want to all the time, especially in this economy.

It’s not just the states with those costs, it’s the system as a whole as a small percentage of the sickest people(10% = 2/rd of all Medical costs in this country) reside in the states that will opt out and will be the most expensive everyone pays for; not to mention the state lobbyists buying the legislatures even in blue states to opt out. The same problems in Washington are just as bad at the state level.

This will not be a true public option but it will be perceived as the public option failing as I outlined above with detail. then any effort for a foothole for real reform with a true public option mechanism however weak to build on later(like with SS) will not be possible like it is now.

]]> By: MarkH http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52342 MarkH Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:21:24 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52342 <p>Yes, Wyden’s amendment seems very promising.</p> Yes, Wyden’s amendment seems very promising.

]]> By: MarkH http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52340 MarkH Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:20:13 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52340 <p>I would guess so too, unless the PO failed badly in all the other opt-in states in it’s first few years. But I think you’re absolutely right that it has to be clear in the legislative language that an opt-out isn’t permanent and irrevocable.</p> I would guess so too, unless the PO failed badly in all the other opt-in states in it’s first few years. But I think you’re absolutely right that it has to be clear in the legislative language that an opt-out isn’t permanent and irrevocable.

]]> By: MarkH http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52338 MarkH Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:18:16 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52338 <p>While the highway system was being built there were some states which remained all but cut off from the world for a while. Here in WV the mountains made the time to build horrendous and expensive. We were back-woods a long time. Now we probably have as many miles of roads as the much larger Texas. We’re still a sparsely populated state compared to many and we don’t have as many interstate highways as many, but there are enough roads to escape…and return after we find the rest of the world is just as screwed up.</p> <p>I think it’s hard to make these equivalencies: health insurance is different than highways or civil rights. That doesn’t make it trivial and we have to work on it until everyone has what they need — care when they need it at an affordable price that doesn’t break them or the country.</p> While the highway system was being built there were some states which remained all but cut off from the world for a while. Here in WV the mountains made the time to build horrendous and expensive. We were back-woods a long time. Now we probably have as many miles of roads as the much larger Texas. We’re still a sparsely populated state compared to many and we don’t have as many interstate highways as many, but there are enough roads to escape…and return after we find the rest of the world is just as screwed up.

I think it’s hard to make these equivalencies: health insurance is different than highways or civil rights. That doesn’t make it trivial and we have to work on it until everyone has what they need — care when they need it at an affordable price that doesn’t break them or the country.

]]> By: MarkH http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52337 MarkH Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:08:01 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52337 <p>The only reason I would go for the opt-out is to get it passed, to get it started sooner and to get a big enough support for it that it can continue a long long time (as long as it’s needed).</p> <p>It would be a compromise for sure, not something a purist would think of.<br /> ymmv</p> The only reason I would go for the opt-out is to get it passed, to get it started sooner and to get a big enough support for it that it can continue a long long time (as long as it’s needed).

It would be a compromise for sure, not something a purist would think of.
ymmv

]]> By: iremember54 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52333 iremember54 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:36:34 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/public-option-opt-out-denies-help-to-those-who-need-it-most/#comment-52333 <p>To bad we won’t all op-out of voting. To think that what these assholes in the congress will give us, is what we get is enough to make one sick.<br /> We all forget that the Congress of years past set up the insurance based healthcare system that we enjoy. They promoted it, defend it, and even supplied it us. Now like the banks were to big to fail, the insurance industry is to important to be hurt. They won’t do anything that will in any way roll back the insurance industry. You see it is more important than us. Rich or poor makes no difference, we all are less important than the insurance companies. We can’t see that everything is more important than people or country. The Banks, Wall Street, Automakers, Insurance companies, Oil companies and Oil Supplying Nations, Corporations, Military and the Idustrial Complex, Wars, Global Economy, Global Trade, are some of a few things more important than us. Even our economy is put second in the context to the world economy. They right after the economic crisis beset us, did they meet to worry about how we would fare. No! they met with the worlds leaders to talk about how to save ethe world. They bailed out the banks, but have let our people lose houses, jobs, savings, and net worth doing little to even stem the tide. It is not a Government of the people by the people and for the people. It is a Governemnt for everything except the people. Who’s to blame? The people because they voted for, supported, and worked for the people they elected. Those people who now view them as less important.</p> To bad we won’t all op-out of voting. To think that what these assholes in the congress will give us, is what we get is enough to make one sick.
We all forget that the Congress of years past set up the insurance based healthcare system that we enjoy. They promoted it, defend it, and even supplied it us. Now like the banks were to big to fail, the insurance industry is to important to be hurt. They won’t do anything that will in any way roll back the insurance industry. You see it is more important than us. Rich or poor makes no difference, we all are less important than the insurance companies. We can’t see that everything is more important than people or country. The Banks, Wall Street, Automakers, Insurance companies, Oil companies and Oil Supplying Nations, Corporations, Military and the Idustrial Complex, Wars, Global Economy, Global Trade, are some of a few things more important than us. Even our economy is put second in the context to the world economy. They right after the economic crisis beset us, did they meet to worry about how we would fare. No! they met with the worlds leaders to talk about how to save ethe world. They bailed out the banks, but have let our people lose houses, jobs, savings, and net worth doing little to even stem the tide. It is not a Government of the people by the people and for the people. It is a Governemnt for everything except the people. Who’s to blame? The people because they voted for, supported, and worked for the people they elected. Those people who now view them as less important.

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