Greg Sargent and Chris Bowers report that contra the Blue Dogs, progressives are damn close in the House to the 218 votes needed for a Medicare plus 5% "robust" public option. Bowers:
I have the actual numbers. As of Friday, here is where the whip count stood:
Progressive Caucus Whip Count on Robust Public Option
Democrats only, 217 needed for passage
Yes: 183
No: 22
Undecided: 20
Not Whipped: 31All 22 of the no votes are Blue Dogs. Every single one.
Also, the House leadership is a significant portion of the Democrats who were not whipped. This means Speaker Pelosi and Representatives Hoyer, Clyburn Van Hollen, (John) Larson and Becerra. None of these members are Blue Dogs, and only Hoyer would conceivably be opposed to the robust public option.
That means there are at least 188 votes for the public option, only 29 away from passage. The chances of reaching 217 (there are currently only 433 members of the House, due to two vacancies) with the remaining members are pretty solid, too.
Trying to find out where the "31" comes from who haven’t been whipped, but if it’s leadership plus committee chairs, I’d say they’re just about there.
But regardless — remember what happened when they couldn’t get enough votes for the Supplemental on June 23? We held them off for 10 days, but in the end:
As the vote ended on the war supplemental bill, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) stood in the well of the House, staring up at the tote board with a smile on her face. The tally read 226-202 — and Pelosi, and President Barack Obama, had met their toughest test to date.
After weeks of working to round up support for the $105.9 billion package, Democrats headed into the Tuesday night vote without a clear sense of where they stood.Leaders’ whip counts had vacillated dramatically on a measure that cut a jagged divide through the House Democratic Caucus. The package picked up broad bipartisan support on its first trip through the House, but the addition of $108 billion in loans to the International Monetary Fund helped rally GOP opposition to the negotiated version. Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) made clear Tuesday that leaders weren’t counting on any help from the minority on the second go-round.
Instead, Democrats needed to convert about a third of the 51 liberals in their ranks who opposed the supplemental the first time. The bill’s boosters were up against a grass-roots blog campaign to pressure those Democrats to oppose new war funding — an effort quietly buttressed by a few Democratic lawmakers who tried to sew up opposition in the Caucus.
To make the sale, the White House deployed its heaviest artillery: Obama joined Cabinet members — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton — in working the phones. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, until late last year a Democratic Member from Chicago and Caucus chairman, made a slew of calls, as well.
“Rahm talked to me,” said Rep. Richard Neal (D-Mass.), chairman of the Ways and Means Subcommittee on Select Revenue Measures. “I think IMF is important, more money for the flu vaccine is important, as well as the president indicating it was the last supplemental. He’s already committed to withdrawing troops from Iraq.”
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) said she was persuaded by Obama’s speech in Egypt earlier this month.
“The president’s brave speech in Cairo convinced me he deserves my support — and at least the benefit of the doubt when it comes to extracting us from Iraq and Afghanistan,” she said.
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Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), another convert, said he also fielded a call from Emanuel. But it was Pelosi’s rousing speech to the Caucus on the day of the vote that moved him from no to yes.
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And Pelosi was working the room as well, acknowledging Rep. Doris Matsui (Calif.) after she cast a late vote for the bill and joined the ranks of 20 Democrats who flipped to support it. Rep. Brad Sherman (Calif.), who opposed the IMF funding, was a lone defector from among the 200 Democrats who supported the supplemental on its first pass.
House Democratic aides said that while administration officials provided critical help, it was their own leadership under the Dome that gave the measure the final push that it needed — and White House aides on hand during the vote showed their appreciation.
Or how about her vote whipping efforts on Waxman-Markey two weeks later?
After lawmakers had devoured the last of the Kalua Pig at last Thursday night’s White House Luau, Nancy Pelosi summoned her team back to the Capitol — to ensure the climate change bill wasn’t the next thing roasted on the spit.
Pelosi and her top lieutenants would spend the next four hours whipping, cajoling, begging and browbeating undecided Democrats — and triple-checking their whip lists to decide who was a solid “yes” and who was prevaricating on the cap-and-trade legislation.
Yet no matter how many calls they made — or how many times they checked and rechecked their list — Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) kept coming up between 12 and 20 votes short of the 216 votes needed to win.
“We didn’t have the votes — and we had to have this vote,” said a leadership aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “This was the big one for us. [Pelosi] staked her prestige on this one. … This was her flagship issue, and this was a flagship vote for us.”
The American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 passed by only 219-212, after an epic day replete with Republican ambushes, petty betrayals, hastily rearranged flights and disappearing acts.
Yet for all the apparent chaos, the action was commanded by a House speaker maneuvering with the urgency of someone who knew her reputation was on the line.
Remember Lloyd Doggett’s impassioned speech, the one where he said it was against his conscience to vote for the bill only hours before the vote?
Next up was Austin, Texas, liberal Rep. Lloyd Doggett, who had seemed to be leaning toward the bill during a Thursday night visit with Obama in the Oval Office — but then infuriated the White House midday Friday by declaring the measure too weak on polluters to win his vote.
An exasperated White House staffer told POLITICO it was “stunning that he would ignore the wishes not just of his president but of his constituents and the country.”
Then Pelosi began working Doggett as the two stood in the back of the chamber near the railing, making the same perfect-is-enemy-of-the-good argument she had used against Holt. Doggett ended up voting “yes.”During the vote, Washington Rep. Jay Inslee, one of the taller members of the House, guarded the doors on the floor leading out to the Speaker’s Lobby, warning members not to leave the floor in case anyone needed to switch his or her vote. But that didn’t stop some Democrats, like Colorado Rep. John Salazar, from voting no early and sneaking out to avoid getting pressured by party leaders.
Leadership aides say Texas Rep. Ciro Rodriguez promised Pelosi he’d vote yes, but voted no and sprinted from the chamber. California Rep. Xavier Becerra tried unsuccessfully to flag him on his cell phone — and Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) bounded into the ornate Speaker’s Lobby off the floor shouting, “Rodriguez! Rodriguez!” as puzzled reporters looked on.
Pelosi forced members to postpone their trips abroad to stay in town for the vote, aides familiar with the situation said. At one point, she even promised to escort one member out to the airport in her motorcade to catch an early flight — as House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) stalled the proceedings with an hourlong reading from the 300-page manager’s amendment.
Good soldiers all in the end.
Nancy Pelosi has tremendous sway with the caucus, and the caucus overwhelmingly supports the Medicare plus five public option. Pelosi’s credibility is on the line with progressives. She’s promised that a public option would be in the final bill, only to turn around and start singing the praises of triggers. Then she joined in the White House effort to beat Richard Trumka into dropping his insistence on a public option.
If she wants the votes for this, there is absolutely no conceivable way she can’t get them. If she decides to act as a White House toady over the interests of progressives (who have now been repeatedly forced into voting for bills they don’t believe in just so Rahm can have another neoliberal "win"), it will all have been for show to keep the base quiet while Wellpoint and PhRMA prepared their taxpayer feast.



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Good points, Jane!
Great post. Thank your for all you are doing Jane.
Called Rep Charile Wilson’s (Ohio) office again. Still can not get out of the office hacks where he stands on the “public option” Where is he in the line up “undecided”
This guy ran in on the coattails of our former Rep Strickland.saying to all of us “that he would follow in Strickland’s footsteps” has not been so. You can be sure Strickland would have taken a firm stand on the public option by now.
As Wendell Potter has said anything less than a robust public option should be called the ” Insurance Industry Profit Protection and Enhancement Act”
Listened to Bill Moyers interview with Potter again. You can almost hear him say he is a supporter of single payer. But Moyers never comes right out and ask him.
anyway what should we do now. Keep calling, writing, howling?
Call Pelosi, stand out side her office…what? Will be in D.C. this weekend at the Green Fest. will visit Wilsons office along with meeting with Voinovich aide about Public option ( keep nicely hounding Voinvich) Great speaker list at Green fest.
http://www.greenfestivals.org/
Maya and Netta (Israeli refuseniks) will be there and speaking at America Univ Thursday, and at Bus Boys and Poets on Sat eve
http://www.whywerefuse.org/
Fascinating.
Senator Browns latest letter on “public option”
http://brown.senate.gov/newsro…..823F07BFCF
Can not get a confirmation one way or the other out of those answering the phones in Rep Wilsons office (will be going in on Thursday)
http://www.charliewilson.house…..8;Itemid=1
With Democrats like these, who needs Republicans?
BTW, some enterprising soul has been reading FDL, because you can get “I Voted for Change, and All I Got Was This Lousy T-shirt” on-line.
http://skreened.com/obamacriti…..sy-t-shirt
I’ll be wearing mine as soon as it arrives.
Dumb question:
What if the bill that comes out of conference is a piece of shit that the Blue Dogs are OK with?
The question I guess I have in the above comment # 6 is… does any of this matter if there’s no worthwhile PO to crack heads for?
I guess maybe I’m getting ahead of things and getting PO out of the House is the necessary first step, yes?
All the Dems will vote for it and all the Rethugs will vote against. They’ll pass an insurance industry giveaway bill and call it health care reform. Polish a turd it’s still a turd.
It seems all the people of good faith are accounted for all that is left is the scumbags hiding behind the frayed excuse of being budget conscious. The problem is if they really want healthcare reform to be inexpensive they could do it for almost nothing by making laws to severely curb price hikes in insurance and pharmaceuticals, break up defacto monopolies and forbid dumping sick people. No handouts. No lock-ins. Just defending the the country from the private insurance parasites. So, do the dogs among the Democrats really want to be fiscally responsible? Or do they really want to get as much public cash as they can for their masters? Rhetorical question.
The robust public option is a damn good deal for the “conservative” Democrats. If they take it now they might not be tarred and feathered for trying so hard to sell out the American people.
Rep Barbara Lee (D-CA9), the only member of Congress to vote against the invasion of Afghanistan was not invited to the WH along with other lawmakers yesterday for their little tete a tete on Afghanistan. I wonder why.
Another WH full of chickenshit chickenhawks.
So Trumka backed down on the public option? And they wonder why the “labor” movement is dead.
AFIK we don’t know what transpired in the meeting.
Then Pelosi began working Doggett as the two stood in the back of the chamber near the railing, making the same perfect-is-enemy-of-the-good argument she had used against Holt.
Perfect asshattery, Lloyd. More of this, and Austin will happy to find a primary challenger.
” I will listen to you, especially when we disagree. ….”
Barack Obama
Grant Park
November 5, 2008
btw, as you probably know, Rep Lee is Chair of the Congr. Black Caucus – just wondering if they invited other CBC members as a means of further snubbing her
Yeah, in one ear and out the other.
She was on DN! today and I heard her make the comment. WMNF is fundraising so the program’s interrupted often. I’ll have to go back and watch the segment to get the whole thing. Wouldn’t surprise me, though. ObamaCo lost my trust with his warmongering.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is now up on the front page: “Memo to the White House: You Can’t Win an Unpopular War (And Stop Quoting George W. Bush)”
All I can say is, the fate of the Public Option is in Pelosi’s hands right now because if Medicare+5 passes the House it will be a huge boost, but if negotiated rates passes and the Senate passes BaucuScare there probably won’t be any public option in the final bill at all.
Excellent essay, Jane.
Hadn’t heard that — I suppose it is a possibility.
Will Nancy Pelosi Crack Heads For “Robust” Public Option Like She Did For ACES and the Supplemental?
Of course not. Rahm told her that would be fucking stupid, then he stabbed the table with a steak knife.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Jane Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Another great analysis…but we’ve seen this comin’ for weeks now. Like I been sayin, the key to where this is all gunna come down is in the House of Representatives and the leadership and ObamaRahma against the expanded progressive caucus. Obama and Pelosi are smart and they both know that there is nowhere to hide on this issue anymore…Pelosi ain’t gunna take the fall for ObamaRhama and she knows if healthcare reform and the public option loose in the House she can say “goodbye” to the speakership ‘cuz either the Dems loose control a the house or what’s left of the Dem majority in 2011 will have more progressives and less Blue Dogs.
And let’s not forget about the kids in the desert and the mountains of this insane war…healthcare reform is bein held up against the pressure to expand the war in Afghanistan.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE’VE ALREADY PAID FOR THIS MESS!!
Any FDL shirts?
I thought this post was about the D and R crack heads who are opposing national health care. I am so far behind these posts.
Juan Gonazales interviewed this lady (Lee) today.
They played her speech made just before the invasion of Afghanistan ( I think) She was the only vote against the invasion according to Juan.
It’s worth listening to;
I have a somewhat stupid question about the proposed “fine” for not having health insurace.
If the fine is, for example, $3800, does this mean that the first $4108 of employed income or $4470 of self-emloyed income (fine plus SSI) is taxed at 100%?
Interesting potential marginal tax rate.
With all 3 House committee versions of health bills already complete it is necessary to pore over the main aspects of these bills and to publicise them to make sure that they don’t contain needless giveaways and waste.
The same goes for the single completed bill in the senate. Baucus’s bill has increasingly become a side show and very likely riddled with pointless measures. However it is imperative that coninued pressure be applied on it too so that it at least has the PO in some manner.
It is heartening to see that the impetus continues to go in favor of the PO, largely as a result of the pressure exerted on legislators from within the blogosphere and TV. The pressure of course should have no let up.
It would seem that the blogosphere in particular can serve as the vehicle for coalescing pressure to influence sane solutions to the myriad problems facing the country. It has been useful also to see the complete ineptitude of Obama as force for influencing meaningful change.
The weakening of the dollar is about to wreak havoc on peoples’ living standards and this has come about in large measure from the unwillingness of the government to put in place restrictions on the financial sector that would show owners of US debt that the country is implementing the measures needed to place its financial affairs in order.
Holders of US debt simply have no confidence in our country’s creditworthiness. These same holders of US debt have already taken steps to remove the dollar as their currency reserve and will also henceforth conduct international transactions using a diversified basket of currencies. It is no surprise that China as the largest holder of US debt is leading this campaign.
The point is that the country as led by congress and Obama is close to being a ruderless ship. It would seem that the task of safeguarding the country’s wealth and wellbeing is devolving more and more to the people at large.
I don’t believe there is going to be a public option. I don’t believe there will be any effective legislation to control premiums and I do believe there will a mandate to buy.
Who funded Obama bigtime from early in the primaries?
That’s who is benefiting now.