The walls of the veal pen.

The stooges, in other words.

But in this economy just how strong are the rich donors? As a normal I guy I never got invites to invest with hedge funds. I never played with Credit default swaps etc many of the risky investors who made money are hurting.
Bank stocks are suppose to be safe so safe investors are hurting.
I don’t think depending on the rich donor model whether you are Dem or GOP will work for the next 2 years.
And unless Obama creates more jobs for us peasants personal contributions should dry up too.
Big Donor or Personal Contribution cash which will dry up first? Which will recover quicker?

I don’t see financial reforms being done only half measures. I don’t see banks and big business opening their books I only find out if they are in trouble when its to late.
Under these conditions we could need an other bailout the rich program. If so the big Donors are finished they will taint anyone who accepts their cash.
The GOPers have a double standard this won’t effect them.

And if calling for increased troop levels in Afghanistan is “uber-progressive,” then I guess CAP qualifies.

Well it does fit in with Jonah Goldberg’s idea about the Left and Nazi’s. I think sane people would put CAP though in the Tea Bagger camp a fake populist group formed to protect the rich and funded by them, like the Nazi’s.

Look to the G20 as a back door regulator of all things financial. The banksters have to much power on Capitol Hill

CREW recently put out a hit on Alan Grayson, who has been critical of Wall Street’s domination of financial reform….

Grayson is generally a very good guy for our side. His seat is far, far from safe. CREW putting a hit on him is… how to describe it?….. pretty fuckin’ stupid, yes Rahm?

Yes, Beerfart. It is.

Thank you, Rahm.

The stooges, in other words.

I believe in prison, these are called trustees.

Now, I’m a jersey guy so I don’t know much from farmin & ranchin’ & stuff but the walls of the pen get pissed on alot, don’t they?

I guess the question is where does Democratic Alliance stand on health care reform. I’ve read they are often torn between party and movement allegiances–and those two ideals are very much at odds when it comes to health care–so I would be surprised if they come down hard on one side or the other.

For I know that the hypnotized never lie

rufflin’ some progressive feathers and puttin’ those LoBoutin’s to some well covered asses there Jane – how much longer before the “jane hamsher is shrill” whisper campaign starts ?

Geez, Jane. thank you for covering this.
It’s getting more and more like Eastern European splinter complexity every day. (Go back and read about Poland’s 2nd Republic history 1924-32 and now that I think of it, the 1st Republic, too 1573-1648). Almost impossible to keep up. Yes, almost. But not impossible. And that’s thanks to Jane and FDL.

Eureka! The next bubble is health “care” industry and insurance stocks. These Ponzi industries have the increasing power to suck the last of the juice from what remains of the American “middle” class. The big players are putting up their ante now.

Not all peons are bankrupt, YET. There is a sufficient core of people with a half-million-or-so net worth that are ripe for continued squeezing.

Thats what I’m worried about.

a slightly different frame may provide a clue

have any of the above mentioned groups publicly endorsed the actions of House progressives who have pledged to vote for a robust PO through conference ?

You nailed it. They are determined to gut the middle class “traditionalist” who managed to earn, save, pay off a house, and get a pension. Imagine that, a paid off house and pension, what antiquarians!
And they’ll get those folks, through health care and nursing homes.

And medical care and insurance (the single most”unregulated” industry) are the last green-field left for raping the public. The only industry left with profits hanging on the tree.

Hidey Ho, Pups.
You know, at the end of all this, if I had any money and I was a gambler, I’d bet that Maxine Waters will be there longer than Rahm.
ps, I believe that most people are so easily controlled by rich donors. Not me, though. Probably why I tell so many to f off. And, also why I have no money. ha.

ooooh look, the goody bag now with Star Power !

The stupidity is brighter than a thousand suns.

Once again Jane, Thank you. I have been screaming my head off about CREW, The Committee for Repressive and Evil Warmongers. They have fooled most people into thinking they are Government Watchdogs, but my cat is a better watchdog than they are. Plus Alan Grayson has been added to my list of Congress peeps, along with “8 most corrupt D’s”, who are anti-war and pro national health care.

I was hoping CREW would retract this false claim. I also want Melanie Sloan to apologize to ACORN for slandering them. But I am not hopeful about that.

I will ask who pays for Melanie’s Health Insurance. The pro Irak War corporation SAIC? Also CREW needs to release the IRS Form 990 and who knows how much money CREW gets from who knows who?

AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Thanks again for shinin’ light in another dark corner of the house of horrors we call a political system. Last night Rachel Maddow had one of the biggest fascist Orc lobbyists on to expose just how the system of astro-turf political propaganda works. She did a great job but one of the most important issues brought forward was the problem of confidentaility of donor lists to “non-profit” groups. Now I’ve understood why up to now it’s been important for truly populist, grassroots organizations to be able to keep their donor lists private. However, I think it’s time to rip the cover off. “Follow the money” is the most important prinicple in the effort to understand the political economy of an issue or a group that is advancing a political cause and sunlight is the great disinfectant of politics. I know that now we have another fascist SCOTUS decision to overcome on this problem but if there is gunna be a restoration of the possibility of democracy in this country, we’ve gotta be able to find out where the oligarchy is puttin their money.

Groups like the Democracy Alliance and CREW are the feed lots that political thugs and extortionists like Rahm Emmanuel use to keep elected representatives fat and content…exposure of their donor lists would not hurt these groups one bit as long as all the political intrest pressure groups had to do it and we had a legal system that couldn’t be used to put these groups and their donors out of business or in jail for advancing their causes.

Sunshine is good for the truth and other living things…

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, FREEDOM IS THE ONLY THING THAT’S FREE!!

Your points further underscore and clarify mine. There are many citizens with a single paid-off home and a(much weakened but still significant) pension, IRA or other financial vehicle for retirement.

There are others with more assets to be looted. Some (including liberal democrats) own business property and/or rental properties with significant equity (even in today’s bad market).

I’m still workin’ on that collagen injection stuff. Blows my mind.

Personal agendas have kept me out of the political loop for a couple of weeks. Enlighten me on I know that now we have another fascist SCOTUS decision to overcome on this problem. I might have missed something important.

That’s was some freaky news. Right up there with female circumcision.

which problem?

No problem, just the daughter’s wedding. Was there a decision from the SCOTUS?

Some may wish to join Jon Walker’s cross-post already in progress: “Third Way to Health Insurance Industry’s Rescue”

Citizen demi:

A few years ago, there was a decision that surprised a lotta folks because it came from this neo-Nazi court but the decision protected the donor lists of non-profit groups from exposure. At first I was happy about it as it would protect donors to small, “liberal”, truly grassroots organizations from IRS audits and other forms of political intimidation…it didn’t take but a few minutes,however, for me to realize that we would never know who was really fundin’ these groups. An example that isn’t completely analogous is Hamas and the Israeli government…if we had been able to find out who was bankrollin’ Hamas 10-15 years ago the war and occupation in Palestine would be over.

Don’t know. All I keep hearing about is that cross in the national park that really isn’t in a national park. That case. The cable stations drag out the usual suspects who have the same ol’ church/state 1st amendment debate. Zzzzzzzzzz.

The daughter’s nuptials weren’t a problem were they? i thought everybody there got laid.

chewed out at the Oh! K Street Corral.

I don’t know which species is worse, Burke. You don’t see them fucking each other over a god damn percentage.

Ellen Ripley – Aliens (1986 film)

you have spilled my macchiato!

sorry ’bout that. one nostril, or two? :~)

No problems, but it took a lot of energy. And, kept me away from the ‘puter.

it didn’t take but a few minutes,however, for me to realize that we would never know who was really fundin’ these groups. An example that isn’t completely analogous is Hamas and the Israeli government…if we had been able to find out who was bankrollin’ Hamas 10-15 years ago the war and occupation in Palestine would be over.

Norske, I am taking a big risk here, by saying I think you are wrong. This is COMPLETELY ANALOGOUS. The banksters stirring up trouble in the “Holy Land” are probably very much the same, as the ones that pull the strings on these “Librul groups” in Dee Cee. It is duck and cover time for me now.

Oh, JHFC.

The link to the story documenting CREW’s targeting of Grayson did not result in an article about the topic.

CREW recently put out a hit on Alan Grayson, who has been critical of Wall Street’s domination of financial reform,

I searched and could not find the story. Can someone provide a valid link?

Grayson was facing censure or something for stating the truth. None of the Watch dogs, woof woof, defended him against these outrageous neo-con attacks. Believe me I have got plenty on CREW.

But I cannot necessarily research Democracy Alliance. Anyone want the job?

Among the DA’s success stories: it has contributed to CREW, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which has used its money to harass Democrats and Republicans with ethics issues and whose investigation of contractors in Afghanistan have led to a review of State Department policies.

I do not know if CREW has investigated Contractors in Afghanistan. CREW’s jurisdiction ends at the Dee Cee beltway. If all they have to show is a State Dept. Review, that ain’t diddly squat. There needs to be prosecutions of war criminals. That is also outside CREW’s jurisdiction.