A few days ago, I wrote that the CBO screwed up Ron Wyden’s amendment by failing to fully score it, after telling Wyden that they had. As a result, Max Baucus wouldn’t let it come up for a vote on the Senate Finance Committee. Wyden is now threatening to vote against the entire bill, which could keep the Senate Finance Committee from reporting one.
So what actually happened?
FDL has obtained the two CBO letters that were sent to Wyden, one on September 22 (PDF) and another on September 29 (PDF), which indicate that Baucus was not correct when he told Wyden that the amendment had not been scored. It had. There was a "proposal variant," as the CBO calls it in the September 29 letter, that they indicated they could not score. But that wasn’t the amendment Wyden submitted, which was supposed to be voted on that night.
Here’s what happened:
Sept 16: Baucus introduces his America’s Health Future Act. Wyden submits his “free choice” amendment shortly thereafter, something he had be working on for several months.
Sept 22: The CBO sends Wyden an email, saying they have fully scored amendment. As had been previously reported, they score the amendment as saving $1 billion:
From [deleted] cbo.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:03 AM
To: [deleted] (Wyden)
Cc: Sandy Davis
Subject: free choice amendment[deleted]
Below is our analysis of amendment #C1. As I mentioned, we modeled this as giving all employers access to the exchange starting in 2015 The savings were a little smaller than Ihad anticipated but it is still a net saver.
Wyden # C1
- Relative to the Chairman’s mark, the amendment as modeled would reduce the net impact on federal deficits by about $1 billion over 10 years. There would not be substantial effects on the total number of people with insurance coverage or the sources of that coverage, relative to the Chairman’s mark.
According to sources familiar with the exchanges between Wyden and Baucus, an attempt was then made to create a modified compromise version of the amendment which could have a better chance of passing the committee, and it was submitted to the CBO.
September 29: The CBO sent a another letter to Wyden. They indicated they were unable to fully analyze this new modified version of the amendment, which they called the "free -choice proposal variant":
From [deleted]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:22 AM
To: [deleted]
Cc: [deleted]
Subject: Wyden free choice proposal variantUnfortunately we will not be able to estimate the impact of the full-blown version of this proposal — involving vouchers — in the near term. The complexities of working out how the voucher amounts would be determined, who would keep the savings, the tax treatment of those savings, the potential for favorable or adverse selection — and how individuals and firms would resopnd to the resulting incentives — would take some time to work out.
As we indicated to Senator Wyden’s staff, amendment # C as drafted — which involved setting up combined reinsurance pools for employer plans and exchange plans — seemed most similar to us to allowing firms to purchase coverage through the exchange; that is, to let all of their workers choose among the exchange plans. Thus, we modeled the effect as allowing all firms to do so starting in 2015 (which is sooner than under the mark). We assumed that there would be resulting reductions in tax-preferred health care spending that would be translated into taxable wages as a result of market forces — without involving specific provisions for vouchers — and that effect was factored into the $1 billion reduction in net federal costs that CBO and JCT estimated for the amendment.
So Wyden never introduced the "variant."
October 2: Shortly after midnight, Wyden introduces his original, fully scored version of the amendment — not the modified version which the CBO had not analyzed. Baucus let Wyden bring it up as the last amendment on the last day of mark up. Debate started at approx. 1:00 am. Roughly half an hour into it, Baucus surprised Wyden by declaring that he would rule it out of order (there would not be a vote on the amendment):
BAUCUS: Now, the fact is CBO has not scored this amendment. CBO has not analyzed this amendment. I justs checked a few minutes ago with CBO.
A late night text message sent to Kent Conrad by someone at the CBO supposedly backed up Baucus’s claim.
According to sources familiar with what transpired, the CBO never withdrew its score for the Wyden amendment before Wyden introduced it. They confirmed this to Wyden the next day.
The big issue is that Baucus blindsided Sen. Wyden at 1:45 in the morning on the very last day of mark up. For reasons of protocol and simple good manners, Chairman Baucus had the duty to inform Wyden that he would be ruling his amendment out of order before doing it publicly at 1:45 am. Given the proper warning, Wyden would have had the chance to confirm with CBO director Elmendorf that his amendment was fully scored and should not be ruled out of order. Wyden did try to argue that he was indeed correct, but to no avail (I guess late night text messages sent to Conrad trumps logic). There was no one from CBO present at the hearing to settle the matter.
You can watch the whole debate unfold at the C-Span Video Library, it starts at the 76:30 mark in the video. Baucus’s blindsiding of Wyden beings roughly 30 minutes into the debate and is captured below:
Since it was to be the last amendment on last day of mark up, Wyden was left with no recourse, and was forced, unfairly, to withdraw his amendment. He was denied a vote on the amendment some policy writers considered the single most important possible change to health care reform.
Jane Hamsher reports that Wyden was asked to not criticize Baucus’s terrible bill in exchange for getting a vote on his prized amendment. To promise Wyden a vote, only to declare the amendment out of order (when it should not have been) is a powerful slight to Wyden. If there was indeed such a deal, it makes the Baucus blindsiding a serious violation of trust.
This is the quintessential ending to Baucus’s handling of the health care reform bill. It was defined by extreme secrecy, zero transparency, endless delays, back room sweetheart deals to industry, and a complete disdain towards other Democratic senators on the committee. It is the perfectly undignified end to a shameful committee process.
Why is all this imporant? Well, Wyden’s amendment would have provided everyone with the ability choose their own plan on the new exchange — and that means a public option, if one is available. Which is why, even though it was supported by policy wonks, it was opposed by the Chamber of Commerce.





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Baucus seems to lack integrity in multple ways.
Wyden and Rocky voting no would change things.
Push Wyden, Rockefeller and Kerry to all vote NO. The only reasonable response.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Jon Walker and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
As I’ve said before, CBO smeebeeo, it’s inconsequential and it don’t mean nuthin’…Obama better get with the program and realize that Rahm is killin’ the Democratic Party and Obama’s presidency.
Now, where does that put the committee vote on Baucus’s abortion of a bill? As I’ve also said before, I think it’s better that there be no bill voted out and get the HELP bill shored up on the floor. That will put ObamaRahma on the spot to fight for a real public option or let it die…either way, no matter the outcome, real healthcare reform will not be dead but will come back as Rahm’s worst nightmare in 2010.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THEY CAN RUN ALL DAY BUT THERE’S NO PLACE TO HIDE!!
What can one possibly say to something like this? Even the convoluted and self-serving protocols of the Senate are being trashed to get the insurance companies what they want. Why? What makes this one constituency worth the cost?
It makes me wonder whether some truly thermonuclear secret is hiding under the accounting covers in the insurance industry, something so shattering that they absolutely positively have to get bailed out before they all go to jail.
I have heard it said that the DC beltway bubble is to blame, that the pols are all so self-absorbed that they just do not realize how the rest of the country thinks. But I find this harder and harder to believe. There has to be some point where self-preservation trumps arrogance and greed, doesn’t there? Or is the Democratic Party now led by lemmings?
Powerful men do tend to be vindictive!
Citizen TomWells:
Rockefeller, Wyden, Schumer, Kerry and Cantwell votin’ “no” would be a good start to the floor fight to amend the HELP bill into somethin’ that ObamaRahma hasta fight for.
What happened Wyden got played the bill was scored Baucus lied… badly and got caught I smell Rahm again bad Obvious lies are his calling card.
Citizen robspierre:
I think that the insurance industry IS insolvent and that’s why the “reform” Obama got stuck with was a new bailout instead of bankruptcy and nationalization…Obama has been screwed royally by his political guru CoS and economic “advisors” but the bucks are on his lap now and he’s gunna hafta play the game on the field and not in the back rooms.
Does Schumer look like he could join the no votes? I have this gut feeling that Snowe is going to vote yes and I would really like to see this go down in flames.
well it’s about time senatorial pomposity worked in our favor
and yes, robspierre,
could their shit be any more transparent ?
I think he’ll vote it out of committee, FWIW… of course, who knows what Lincoln, Nelson and Snowe are going to do….
Slight no that was a pimp slap Wyden has to fight back now or everyone will think he’s Baucus’s B!*%
I think if the Finance bill fails, one of two things will happen: they’ll start working with the HELP bill (probably futile) or Finance will start all over, under the leadership of someone whose name is not Baucus.
Are you suggesting that the reserves that the insurance companies are mandated to maintain took a severe hit in the collapse.
Are we sure its dead?
BenedictBeen-a-dick Baucus.btw Jon Walker, this is some excellent reporting. thanks to you and Jane
Agree–this is really important work, Jon.
Ditto
Baucus is a traitor and a fuck.
Well, now all we have to do is shout it from tree tops.
Something has confused me about the Finance committee writing their own health care bill from the beginning. Is this common? Do they do their own version of defense bills, or do they score what is submitted by the proper defense related committees? Do they do their own version of agriculture, energy, etc, etc, etc bills? If so, why do we have any other committees besides finance since they appear to be the only ones who matter to the process?
My point is, does this committee (or this chairman) have the power to hold up anything progressive? What happens when we get to energy? Immigration reform? Global warming? Employee free choice? Will president Baucus get to write his own version of each of these bills and disregard all other relevant committee work? This sure vest a lot of power in the hands of one man. Can we pool all of our money and just bribe this asshole to do the right thing? From the numbers I have seen, it doesn’t take much.
call wyden’s office and tell them u have their back guys. u know who is pressuring the guy to cave. please.
And a bad liar, a petty villain, a small timer at heart a dupe taking the heat for Rahm a tool’s tool twice removed.
Baucus started this by unilaterally declaring that single payer would not even be discussed, and ends it by ratfucking Wyden. What an upstanding Democrat that Max Baucus is.
I say again….
The audacity of lies… that’s what is marking the Obama administration.
They are crazy if they don’t think anyone is payaing attention.
I just looked up the Blue Crooks Blue Shill address in ABQ…
I’m thinking it’s time for taking it to the streets across the US at murder-by-spreadsheet crim-med offices.
Citizen foothillsmike:
“Are you suggesting that the reserves that the insurance companies are mandated to maintain took a severe hit in the collapse?”
What reserves…what do ya think this entire economic mess is all about??!! Obama still has time to hop on board and tell everyone that the insurance industry is bankrupt and he’s gunna do what he shoulda done with the fake banks: NATIONALIZE ‘EM!!
Yes, but guess whose bidding he is doing? He’s not doing this all on his own…
Citizen art3:
No dear, Wyden made this mess by fuckin’ around with these people and tryin’ ta fuck over his constituents, he can stand on his own 2 feet…the only thing we bring to Wyden is the HEAT!!
Ummm… they control the purse-strings so have inserted themselves into the process.
According to Lawrence O’Donnell, this is the same tactic used in 1994, by the same committee (he was Chief of Staff of the SFC in 1994)… but their strategy was to slow everything way, way, way down til it imploded and died on its own.
I believe that the health insurance companies are being run like ponzi schemes, current premiums going to pay current claims, instead of as actuarial risk poolers.
-marc
good point… isn’t that, how do you say, illegal?
OK folks…time to get taped up and go watch the Twinkies duke it out with the Tigers for the right to go get clobbered by New York.
Does anyone think this would be a BAD thing????
I assume folks have spotlighted this to KO & Rachel?
News flash, Duncan Hunter Jr may be stupider than his father!
Great point worth exploring further insurance companies wrote some very funny paper plus Michael Moore has revealed “dead peasants insurance ” to just be a corporate tax dodge. There will be public pressure to end dead peasants insurance and that means even less insurance profit.
No :)
Explain more please!
Citizen marcos:
“I think that the health insurance companies are being run like ponzi schemes…”
Ya THINK??!!! And healthcare reform via a public option that is universal and on the Medicare framework is the way out for Obama unless he wants to go down with them.
Ain’t gonna happen without people in the streets.
We should also start a pool on how long after the impending crash of the dollar it will take for them to impose martial law.
Citizen Raven:
Did Duncan Hunter HAVE a father…Jeezus, he musta been a real piece a work!
Or the banks mess up again and need another bailout and that is likely.
No doubt that you’re right. But Max is the pivot boy in this whole scandal.
I saw that I think stupidity is a prerequisite for having an R after your name.
Well Duncan Hunter, Sr was sure no Mensa candidate, so like father like son?
This is JR
I’ll say this for both of them, I don’t like or agree with them but at least they suited up.
Can we, should we call this the “Baucus Scandal”
BTW: Went to my doctor yesterday and I asked him about Healthcare reform and he went off on a diatribe on how the current Baucus bill is bullshit and anything short of the PO is useless. He got so flustered he had to leave the room. Unlike Baucus, my doctor is a keeper.
Baucus is a petty, mendacious, disingenuous, and Machiavellian dissembler. He has made it abundantly clear that he was going to do everything in his power as chair of the Finance Committee that no meaningful reform would ever take place on his watch. I hope the citizens of his state remember his conduct – so too the more progressive Montanans who might oppose him in a primary battle – come next election. This kind of underhanded conduct should be rewarded with a swift boot to his ass.
Here is a fairly short, easy to understand Primer on the committee from Kagro
and yes, about 6 wks back, WH indicated ol Max was gonna be their Senate point man on Climate Change/Energy – that is if they can ever get him out from under that bus
Also Jon… I agree with cbl and marcy that this is great information.
Thanks for doing the digging.
It’s really a tragedy that this amendment didn’t make it into the bill because the biggest failing with the proposed health care “reform” (in name only) packages, is that people in employer health plans are effectively excluded from jumping ship, thereby limiting the PO pool.
And… my biggest beef is that the public option has been watered down to cover only a small percentage of poor people… when it’s self-employed middle class people like myself that need access to affordable high value insurance.
We are totally being left out in the cold… and guess what, we constitute a lot of people.
this just in -
Republicans on the committee have stopped huffing and puffing long enough to insist CBO Chief Elmendorf and his COS Barthold be present for the final vote
oh, and apparently 8 so called Dem Centrists have asked for “three more days” to review before a final vote
all behind the Roll Call subscription wall
Thanks for the reporting and the video. I thought Baucus turning his back on Wyden during Wyden’s closing statement was a nice touch. I’m sure Wyden probably thought so too.
What I don’t understand is why all of the relatively liberal Dems don’t band together to vote this travesty of a bill down and kill it in committee. After all of Baucus’ bad behavior and ill treatment of his Dem colleagues, why don’t they stand together and say enough is enough? No wonder they constantly get railroaded, they haven’t a shred of dignity. It’s painful to watch Senators without any pride whatsoever willing to be relentlessly brow beaten. And for what? What do they get by endless capitulation? It’s disgraceful.
Ain’t that barbed wire?
I never understood why there was this subcommittee with three democrats and three rethugs. What is it they don’t understand about having a majority in the senate?
Thank you very much for tracking this Jon (and also Jane Hamsher).
Baucus’s conduct is perfidious.
I find it damn interesting that around the 2:50 min point in this video, Baucus claims that Wyden’s amendment would be ‘destabilizing’, that it would ‘destablize the [insurance] pools’ — the pools being employer-based insurance groups.
Now, significantly, that is precisely the term used by a healthCo lobbyist in his efforts to damn Wyden’s proposal last week. It occurred in a segment of MSNBC’s “Morning Meeting“.
Someone should tell Max Baucus that the next time he wants to screw over Americans, he should at least have the decency not to quote directly from healthCo lobbyists.
Good grief!
Wyden just got a little taste of how the rest of us are treated all the time by this millionaire asshole club they call the US Senate.
John, This is good reporting. Thank you.
Am I correct that Wyden can introduce this amendment when it is considered by the full Senate?
This is treachery and betrayal of Democratic principles by Max Baucus. We must bring him down. Recall, please, that his former CoS is Rahm’s WH deputy nowadays. Hand in glove.
Excellent reporting, Jon. THANK YOU.
Ditto.
Jon, if there’s any way you can track that term ‘destabilize‘, I’m guessing that it leads right to the exec suite of UnitedHealthCare.
Anyone else count instances of the use of that term?
I’m pretty sure that
the Senator from the Lewin GroupGrassley used that term, as well. How many other GOPers?This is what healthcare reform means, using the Baucus marked up bill formula.
For reference, I am using Capital Health Plan in Florida, same plan as the federal “high” plan.
$ 383.98 Federal employee rate
$ 992.15 My current rate as a small group, 2 employees
$ 2,894.78 My new premium under the Baucus plan
Our household income exceeds 400% of the poverty level but my insurance premium will be 61% of our gross income. These figures are accurate, not pulled out of the air.
Is this really what we want to pass off as reform?
Conrad comes across as slime to me. A man with no ethical, moral center. I only hope the bill is not voted out of committee.
This is pretty amazing. I sure would like it to screw the whole Baucus deal. Onward!
I have a special name for Conrad…one I use rarely
I don’t understand why the committee itself has 10 Republicans and 13 Democrats instead of a 40/60 split of 9 Republicans and 14 Democrats.
Saddest part about all this? One of Ensign’s amendment that was shot down, could have given Wyden another chance to present his amendment.
Baucus needs to go. He is a Democrat in name only.
I would call it Justice. If a committee chairman is allowed to abuse the position this time it would create precedent for the same thing again and again. Harry Reid should be required by Senate rules to punish Baucus in some manner.
In any event, at minimum Wyden should get to put up his amendment on the final Senate bill before it is voted on.
Why would the PO be limited except as a way of letting it ramp up at an acceptable rate ( sort of like everybody whose last name begins with A-G going one month and then H-M the next month and then N-T and U-Z just to spread ‘em out)?
The more people who can choose their own plan(s) the more competition between insurers.
One thing I began wondering was how the Exchange would appear to consumers and how someone receiving a subsidy would be able to know what they could buy. It’s not a legislative thing really, just how the Exchange is designed to make it usable.
I assume this comment was after watching his appearance on Hardball on 10/6. I also saw it and concur. I guess in that district in CA, all you have to do is wear a label pin, march through the district repeating “win war…kill muslims…home in peace and victory” and the voters cave. I don’t understand. Maybe Karzai or his CIA friends had a trial run in his district in the 2008 election.
Jon or anyone at FDL… I have a single question. When CBO rates a bill for its costs/surplus for a 10 year period and the bill is not scheduled to go into effect until 2015, how is this rating done? Is the 10 years starting in FY2010? It would almost have to be a set starting point since when all amendments are done, they can properly rate the entire bill. The second part of the question then requires you to ask if the costs/savings of the bills are for the next 10 years or only over the period that a particular amendment covers since they have various starting points. Is Wyden’s amendment analyzed as a savings of $1B for only years 2015-2020 or what time frame?
yes the CBO scores from 2010-2019. All these bill cost way more than is being reported because CBO is “scoring” over ten years but in reality the bill is only a 7 year bill 2013-2019. Wyden amendment was really scored for only 5 years since most of the scoring feel in years his amendment would not be in effect.
Hi Norske, When health care reform comes back in 2010, the job creation potential of Medicare for All needs to be front and center. The California Nurses Assocation study estimated that 2.6 million jobs would be created by passage and implementation of HR 676. That’s a big portion of the jobs lost in this depression. We need those jobs.
Not just led by lemmings. Also comprised of lemmings. Unfortunately, this problem is not restricted to the Democrats alone.
But … but … but … wouldn’t that be “socialized medicine”?
How can you tell?
It should be, and perhaps will be. But Baucus will probably get a big job with them like Billy Tauzin did.
Also, only three of them are needed to beat Baucus. Should be more than enough with Wyden, Rockefeller, Schumer, and Kerry around. The problem is they don’t know whether it’s better to vote against it and kill it in committee or get it out of committee so Harry Reid can make a new bill up by “merging” “Help” and Baucus.
The search for the unicorn of bipartisanship.
Jon, This is a really fine job. Thanks.
The Baucus plan was written by a staffer who worked as a lobbyist for WellPoint. The plan was reviewed by WellPoint prior to being submitted.
Some government agency must have the responsibility for oversight to make sure the insurance companies maintain the statutorily required percentage of reserves. Is it a state Department of Licensing, or its equivalent, in each state, or is it a federal agency like the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, or whatever it’s called now if I got the name wrong?
Does Wendell Potter know anything about this?
If the information isn’t online, isn’t it FOIA time?
Of course, the possibility of cooked books can’t be ignored.
Other than letsgetitdone’s lovely, snarky, and apropos “search for the unicorn of bipartisanship,” I assume there isn’t anything in the Baucus piece of crap worth adding to Kennedy’s bill, so by all means kill it in committee NOW!
This needs to be on the national news and shouted from the rooftops!
Thanks, Jon.
Excellent reporting.
May we clone you, Jane, Marcy, and the rest of the tough pups?
Excellent work, Jon.
Kerry’s opposition at what he admits was at the behest of Raytheon creeps me out as much as any of it.
The Baucus bill is an abomination and I hope that Senators Rockefeller and Wyden have the courage and foresight to kill it. It is an outrage that ‘reform’ will mean billions in additional profit for the insurance industry paid for by taxpayers, with the further insult of failing to control costs in any way, shape or form.
Its clear that real campaign finance reform is necessary to wrest control of the government from the corporations and return it to the people. Without it, we will never fix anything else.