Comments on: Whither Grayson on Health Care? http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:47:29 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Leen http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-51065 Leen Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:14:51 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-51065 <p>going for the incremental strategy. too many slap downs in the past…</p> going for the incremental strategy. too many slap downs in the past…

]]> By: doorworker http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-51039 doorworker Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:43:43 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-51039 <p>Being my congressperson, I asked Grayson in his first summer townhall about his take on the public option (in particular, I was frankly not clear on how it was even theoretically supposed to reduce costs in the way that a singl payer model more clearly would).</p> <p>He was straight with us. Said he’d vote for the reform legislation with or without the Pub Op, though he supported/supports the public option. He said essentially the expansion of coverage, the abolition of ‘pre-existing conditions’ recissions, and portability improvements were, push to shove, adequate for his vote.</p> <p>Do I think it sort of stinks? Yeah, especially when this hwakeyed slayer of military contractors on contract fraud violations–obviously nobody’s fool–tried to spin the admin’s handshake agreement w/ Big Pharma as the adequate ‘cost cutting’ element of the plan. </p> <p>But do I want to return to the sort of unbelievable asswipe of a Bush rubber stamper (Ric Keller) who represented the district pre-Grayson? A thousand times no. </p> <p>That kind of corporate shilling weasel remains the norm in Orlando politics, from the mayor, to the statehouse to the county commission. If he pulls a fast one on the health care thing I’ll be pissed, and I’ll feel like I’ve learned something useful and unflattering about the guy…but he will–barring further betrayal–retain my support.</p> <p>Just saying.</p> Being my congressperson, I asked Grayson in his first summer townhall about his take on the public option (in particular, I was frankly not clear on how it was even theoretically supposed to reduce costs in the way that a singl payer model more clearly would).

He was straight with us. Said he’d vote for the reform legislation with or without the Pub Op, though he supported/supports the public option. He said essentially the expansion of coverage, the abolition of ‘pre-existing conditions’ recissions, and portability improvements were, push to shove, adequate for his vote.

Do I think it sort of stinks? Yeah, especially when this hwakeyed slayer of military contractors on contract fraud violations–obviously nobody’s fool–tried to spin the admin’s handshake agreement w/ Big Pharma as the adequate ‘cost cutting’ element of the plan.

But do I want to return to the sort of unbelievable asswipe of a Bush rubber stamper (Ric Keller) who represented the district pre-Grayson? A thousand times no.

That kind of corporate shilling weasel remains the norm in Orlando politics, from the mayor, to the statehouse to the county commission. If he pulls a fast one on the health care thing I’ll be pissed, and I’ll feel like I’ve learned something useful and unflattering about the guy…but he will–barring further betrayal–retain my support.

Just saying.

]]> By: Leen http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-51015 Leen Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:04:22 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-51015 <p>He sure does not look like he is “hanging back” any longer</p> He sure does not look like he is “hanging back” any longer

]]> By: Leen http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-51014 Leen Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:03:46 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-51014 <p>Laura Flanders has this film clip up that Brave New World did about Grayson and Health care</p> <p>Rep Grayson Rookie of the Year<br /><a href="http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/" rel="nofollow">http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/</a></p> Laura Flanders has this film clip up that Brave New World did about Grayson and Health care

Rep Grayson Rookie of the Year
http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/

]]> By: CasualObserver http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-51013 CasualObserver Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:48:26 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-51013 <p>While I agree that Grayson has real talent, and is (imo) an important part of the progressive movement present and future, Jane and others are right that he has been hanging back on health care. I don’t know why.</p> <p>Grayson has 50+ videos up on youtube. I watched just about all of them last night. I then did a bit of background reading on him. Highly impressive. There is likely to be some backlash to his recent actions from both GOP and DEM. a)because he’s tweaked the GOP tail and b)because he’s a freshman member who speaks before being spoken to. All I can say now is that the man is highly valuable to the progressive movement and needs whatever support we can muster for him.</p> While I agree that Grayson has real talent, and is (imo) an important part of the progressive movement present and future, Jane and others are right that he has been hanging back on health care. I don’t know why.

Grayson has 50+ videos up on youtube. I watched just about all of them last night. I then did a bit of background reading on him. Highly impressive. There is likely to be some backlash to his recent actions from both GOP and DEM. a)because he’s tweaked the GOP tail and b)because he’s a freshman member who speaks before being spoken to. All I can say now is that the man is highly valuable to the progressive movement and needs whatever support we can muster for him.

]]> By: lambertstrether http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-50996 lambertstrether Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:08:16 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-50996 <p>I’m not certain that acting on “good vibes” about a politician has a great track record. Just saying.</p> I’m not certain that acting on “good vibes” about a politician has a great track record. Just saying.

]]> By: lambertstrether http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-50995 lambertstrether Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:06:49 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-50995 <p>Talk is cheap. Frank’s work on financial reform has been less than stellar, all the way from TARP to gutting the <a href="http://www.interfluidity.com/posts/1253928854.shtml" rel="nofollow">Consumer Finance Protection Agency</a>. That’s why policy detail is important, because you can hold them accountable for it — unlike [a|the] [strong|robust]? public [option|plan], which <a href="http://www.hillbillyreport.org/diary/693/running-around-in-circles-on-healthcare" rel="nofollow">to this day</a> is not defined — although if you want to declare victory because legislation includes the words public option, that may be a feature, and not a bug.</p> Talk is cheap. Frank’s work on financial reform has been less than stellar, all the way from TARP to gutting the Consumer Finance Protection Agency. That’s why policy detail is important, because you can hold them accountable for it — unlike [a|the] [strong|robust]? public [option|plan], which to this day is not defined — although if you want to declare victory because legislation includes the words public option, that may be a feature, and not a bug.

]]> By: lambertstrether http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-50994 lambertstrether Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:02:31 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-50994 <p><a href="http://www.correntewire.com/search/node/Weiner" rel="nofollow">Anthony Weiner certainly showed equal courage, earlier</a>, and seems to have a better grasp of policy. One can only speculate why “progressives” didn’t go crazy for him like they did with Grayson. Perhaps he wasn’t wearing the right tribal tatoos?</p> Anthony Weiner certainly showed equal courage, earlier, and seems to have a better grasp of policy. One can only speculate why “progressives” didn’t go crazy for him like they did with Grayson. Perhaps he wasn’t wearing the right tribal tatoos?

]]> By: Spiffarino http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-50993 Spiffarino Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:39:47 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-50993 <p>I have to agree, even if his stance on health care isn’t Progressive-Orthodox. There are a few congresspeople who are good enough on the whole to be worth supporting. Grayson is certainly one of them.</p> <p>Like the drill sergeant said in the movie Full Metal Jacket: “He’s got guts and guts is enough!”</p> I have to agree, even if his stance on health care isn’t Progressive-Orthodox. There are a few congresspeople who are good enough on the whole to be worth supporting. Grayson is certainly one of them.

Like the drill sergeant said in the movie Full Metal Jacket: “He’s got guts and guts is enough!”

]]> By: chiefscribe http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-50992 chiefscribe Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:09:01 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/wither-grayson-on-health-care/#comment-50992 <p>and “whither” not “wither”, I assume.</p> <p>~~~<em>ModNote: My fault, and repaired. Thank you.</em>~~~</p> and “whither” not “wither”, I assume.

~~~ModNote: My fault, and repaired. Thank you.~~~

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