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		<title>By: lambertstrether</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/countdown-to-lieberman/#comment-51004</link>
		<dc:creator>lambertstrether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chief scribe conflates the Medicare brand with public option:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;… a “Medicare for all” public option….&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which isn’t on offer in any of the legislation. And because it isn’t, public option is a FAIL in the making. And when public option does FAIL, it’s going to weaken the Medicare brand too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chief scribe conflates the Medicare brand with public option:</p>
<blockquote><p>… a “Medicare for all” public option….</p>
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<p>Which isn’t on offer in any of the legislation. And because it isn’t, public option is a FAIL in the making. And when public option does FAIL, it’s going to weaken the Medicare brand too.</p>
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		<title>By: lambertstrether</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/countdown-to-lieberman/#comment-51003</link>
		<dc:creator>lambertstrether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Being forced to buy junk insurance with the IRS acting as a collection agent? It’s a sure-fire political winner!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* * *&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The worst thing about this is that the obvious response is tax resistance, for which the right has a well-developed infrastructure and ideology. One more way that the Dems are enabling right wing populism….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being forced to buy junk insurance with the IRS acting as a collection agent? It’s a sure-fire political winner!</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>The worst thing about this is that the obvious response is tax resistance, for which the right has a well-developed infrastructure and ideology. One more way that the Dems are enabling right wing populism….</p>
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		<title>By: lambertstrether</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/countdown-to-lieberman/#comment-51002</link>
		<dc:creator>lambertstrether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Patri writes that Obama:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dropped single payer before the health care debate even began despite his love and insistance upon a single payer option during his lofty, deceptive campaign.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s not true; although &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/05/22/moyers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama supported single payer in 2003&lt;/a&gt;, he ran slightly to the right of Hillary, &lt;a href=&quot;http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/obama-does-harry-and-louise-again/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;with his Harry &amp; Louise style ads in Ohio&lt;/a&gt;. Once in office, however, his administration, despite the promises of an open and transparent process, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/march/obama_to_single_paye.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;excluded&lt;/a&gt; the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.correntewire.com/obama_got_little_single_payer_advocates_here&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“little single payer advocates”&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.correntewire.com/how_will_white_house_make_amends_censoring_single_payer_advocates_its_health_care_forum_live_blog&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;censored&lt;/a&gt; them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patri writes that Obama:</p>
<blockquote><p>Dropped single payer before the health care debate even began despite his love and insistance upon a single payer option during his lofty, deceptive campaign.</p>
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<p>That’s not true; although <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/05/22/moyers/" rel="nofollow">Obama supported single payer in 2003</a>, he ran slightly to the right of Hillary, <a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/obama-does-harry-and-louise-again/" rel="nofollow">with his Harry &amp; Louise style ads in Ohio</a>. Once in office, however, his administration, despite the promises of an open and transparent process, <a href="http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/march/obama_to_single_paye.php" rel="nofollow">excluded</a> the <a href="http://www.correntewire.com/obama_got_little_single_payer_advocates_here" rel="nofollow">“little single payer advocates”</a> and <a href="http://www.correntewire.com/how_will_white_house_make_amends_censoring_single_payer_advocates_its_health_care_forum_live_blog" rel="nofollow">censored</a> them.</p>
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		<title>By: lambertstrether</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/countdown-to-lieberman/#comment-51001</link>
		<dc:creator>lambertstrether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One acronym:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FISA.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One acronym:</p>
<p>FISA.</p>
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		<title>By: lambertstrether</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/countdown-to-lieberman/#comment-50999</link>
		<dc:creator>lambertstrether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sanders should filibuster for his own damn bill: S703. Since single payer is the only policy on offer that can actually be shown, with evidence, to, like, work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanders should filibuster for his own damn bill: S703. Since single payer is the only policy on offer that can actually be shown, with evidence, to, like, work.</p>
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		<title>By: chiefscribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>chiefscribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree completely that we need to stay focused on what we can do to win strong, viable competition for the insurance companies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This site is THE go-to source for what’s really going on with the health care reform effort, and the analyses of “working the yo-yo” etc. are right on target, but I think something is missing from this post, and that something is &lt;strong&gt;what we are going to do&lt;/strong&gt; to outmaneuver Rahm or whoever the corporate lackeys are in the WH and Congress.  What are the talking points?  Who’s at the top of the phone call list?  Our calls are clearly working and we need to do more of them, but is there any way to break through the broadcast media noise (other than Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow)?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As is often pointed out here and elsewhere, it’s the lame excuses that have so often in the past quashed progressive polices.  But we aren’t falling for that anymore.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We deserve a “Medicare for all” public option.&lt;br /&gt;
No co-ops, no triggers–real competition NOW.  Lives are depending on it.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Traditional media outlets have been declaring the PO dead for two months now, and yet it lives, and I am increasingly hopeful that we can win this one.   Viva the PO!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely that we need to stay focused on what we can do to win strong, viable competition for the insurance companies.</p>
<p>This site is THE go-to source for what’s really going on with the health care reform effort, and the analyses of “working the yo-yo” etc. are right on target, but I think something is missing from this post, and that something is <strong>what we are going to do</strong> to outmaneuver Rahm or whoever the corporate lackeys are in the WH and Congress.  What are the talking points?  Who’s at the top of the phone call list?  Our calls are clearly working and we need to do more of them, but is there any way to break through the broadcast media noise (other than Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow)?  </p>
<p>As is often pointed out here and elsewhere, it’s the lame excuses that have so often in the past quashed progressive polices.  But we aren’t falling for that anymore.  </p>
<p>We deserve a “Medicare for all” public option.<br />
No co-ops, no triggers–real competition NOW.  Lives are depending on it.  </p>
<p>Traditional media outlets have been declaring the PO dead for two months now, and yet it lives, and I am increasingly hopeful that we can win this one.   Viva the PO!</p>
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		<title>By: bmull</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nobody is as wishy-washy as Obama has been about the PO and then comes through in the end. Have you never asked someone on a date? Maybe means no.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is as wishy-washy as Obama has been about the PO and then comes through in the end. Have you never asked someone on a date? Maybe means no.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/countdown-to-lieberman/#comment-50969</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I wonder if he has considered that all those millions and millions of dollars he needs to raise from small contributions to run for re-election in a couple of years will be going to pay for increased insurance premiums and not political donations?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also wonder if anyone in the WH has contemplated how furious folks are going to be when they’re subject to “mandates” that extract $$$ from their pockets to give it to insurance companies, while insurance companies&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;** continue their immoral rate increases;&lt;br /&gt;
** continue their immoral and capricious denials of service;&lt;br /&gt;
** continue their obscene payments to their executives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do they think they can push these disastrous events off past 2012 [”effective in 2013″] and that no one will “notice” while they crow about enacting health insurance reform?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the IRS is going to be utilized to enforce this??&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whatever their “motives” as a bunch of bought-off politicians, I can’t believe they don’t see this as a disaster for every Democrat who supports it. Perhaps that’s why some Republicans are running &lt;strong&gt;towards&lt;/strong&gt; a public option.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder if he has considered that all those millions and millions of dollars he needs to raise from small contributions to run for re-election in a couple of years will be going to pay for increased insurance premiums and not political donations?</p>
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<p>I also wonder if anyone in the WH has contemplated how furious folks are going to be when they’re subject to “mandates” that extract $$$ from their pockets to give it to insurance companies, while insurance companies</p>
<p>** continue their immoral rate increases;<br />
** continue their immoral and capricious denials of service;<br />
** continue their obscene payments to their executives.</p>
<p>Do they think they can push these disastrous events off past 2012 [”effective in 2013″] and that no one will “notice” while they crow about enacting health insurance reform?</p>
<p>And the IRS is going to be utilized to enforce this??</p>
<p>Whatever their “motives” as a bunch of bought-off politicians, I can’t believe they don’t see this as a disaster for every Democrat who supports it. Perhaps that’s why some Republicans are running <strong>towards</strong> a public option.</p>
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		<title>By: sammy515151</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/countdown-to-lieberman/#comment-50966</link>
		<dc:creator>sammy515151</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CAN YOU EVEN SAY THIRD PARTY&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CAN YOU EVEN SAY THIRD PARTY</p>
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		<title>By: joanneleon</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/countdown-to-lieberman/#comment-50929</link>
		<dc:creator>joanneleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane,&lt;br /&gt;
I think the thing to do now is to spend some electrons and media time reminding everyone of what a strong public option is — to somehow distinctly (and succinctly) talk about which public option the public has been calling for. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also think it’s a good idea to start calling it a Medicare public option or a Rockefeller public option and to constantly distinguish it from all the other faux public options.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane,<br />
I think the thing to do now is to spend some electrons and media time reminding everyone of what a strong public option is — to somehow distinctly (and succinctly) talk about which public option the public has been calling for. </p>
<p>I also think it’s a good idea to start calling it a Medicare public option or a Rockefeller public option and to constantly distinguish it from all the other faux public options.</p>
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