Comments on: Carper’s Trigger: An Idea Goes from Bad to Worse http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:47:29 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: NancyWilling http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49931 NancyWilling Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:46:05 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49931 <p>Sure as shit some of us care. He and the DLC are big under the DE DEM party tent, however, in this land of the duPonts and the smelly armpit of Philly at that. </p> <p>Most DEMs active in the party are finally getting some ass but it took this to do it. Carper, unlike Biden, plays his cards close to the vest. He has a career’s worth of feeding lower-level candidates out of his PAC and staying out of the limelight. Not to mention that his staffers are EVERYWHERE in the state and party jobs (having also been a Governor and US Congressman).</p> Sure as shit some of us care. He and the DLC are big under the DE DEM party tent, however, in this land of the duPonts and the smelly armpit of Philly at that.

Most DEMs active in the party are finally getting some ass but it took this to do it. Carper, unlike Biden, plays his cards close to the vest. He has a career’s worth of feeding lower-level candidates out of his PAC and staying out of the limelight. Not to mention that his staffers are EVERYWHERE in the state and party jobs (having also been a Governor and US Congressman).

]]> By: odum http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49836 odum Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:51:06 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49836 <p>As many others have said - if states are given an opportunity to create their own public options, and POOL them, <a href="http://www.greenmountaindaily.com/diary/5335/is-there-a-bestcase-scenario-on-health-care-lurking-amongst-the-ashes-of-reform" rel="nofollow">this is not necessarily a bad thing at all</a>, and could be a backdoor way to makes some serious waves.</p> <p>Obviously there are a lot of ifs in that scenario - IF states are given real room to do this - IF they are allowed to function collectively - IF there is adequate federal support - but making such a sweeping statement that this is all worse when its just at the nugget-of-an-idea stage feels a little too reactive to me.</p> As many others have said – if states are given an opportunity to create their own public options, and POOL them, this is not necessarily a bad thing at all, and could be a backdoor way to makes some serious waves.

Obviously there are a lot of ifs in that scenario – IF states are given real room to do this – IF they are allowed to function collectively – IF there is adequate federal support – but making such a sweeping statement that this is all worse when its just at the nugget-of-an-idea stage feels a little too reactive to me.

]]> By: Ann in AZ http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49834 Ann in AZ Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:28:19 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49834 <p>Emptywheel has a <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/jay-rock-demands-90/" rel="nofollow">cross-post up</a> on the front page some might be interested in: “Jay Rock Demands 90%”</p> Emptywheel has a cross-post up on the front page some might be interested in: “Jay Rock Demands 90%”

]]> By: amghru http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49833 amghru Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:26:30 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49833 <p>I don’t know how red he voers are but the whole state is owned by the banking industry. It’s Neveda for banks.</p> I don’t know how red he voers are but the whole state is owned by the banking industry. It’s Neveda for banks.

]]> By: marcos http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49832 marcos Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:16:22 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49832 <p>Delaware is the state in which the insurance companies are all incorporated because of the state’s lax corporate law. I’d imagine that the state would lose its percentage if 1/6 of the US economy were to suddenly turn from for- to not-for-profit.</p> Delaware is the state in which the insurance companies are all incorporated because of the state’s lax corporate law. I’d imagine that the state would lose its percentage if 1/6 of the US economy were to suddenly turn from for- to not-for-profit.

]]> By: oldtree http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49831 oldtree Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:16:19 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49831 <p>He’s from Delaware, the home of corporate corruption. He takes bribes, he is a criminal. And he is your senator.<br /> Does anyone in Delaware care? Then do something!</p> He’s from Delaware, the home of corporate corruption. He takes bribes, he is a criminal. And he is your senator.
Does anyone in Delaware care? Then do something!

]]> By: perris http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49830 perris Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:10:02 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49830 <p>yup</p> <p>that’s what the progressives can hit back with when approached with “a trigger option”</p> yup

that’s what the progressives can hit back with when approached with “a trigger option”

]]> By: Adie http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49829 Adie Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:07:17 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49829 <p>carp.</p> <p>eh?</p> <p><em>dayum!</em></p> carp.

eh?

dayum!

]]> By: NorskeFlamethrower http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49828 NorskeFlamethrower Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:05:16 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49828 <p>Citizen perris:</p> <p>I think yer on to sumpthin, Citizen…of course what you are callin’ an “immediate trigger” is really the strongest possible public option and I think that may very well be the rhetorical cover the Carpers and the Snowes yank over themselves when confronted with the demand to vote for either healthcare reform or no bill.</p> Citizen perris:

I think yer on to sumpthin, Citizen…of course what you are callin’ an “immediate trigger” is really the strongest possible public option and I think that may very well be the rhetorical cover the Carpers and the Snowes yank over themselves when confronted with the demand to vote for either healthcare reform or no bill.

]]> By: Adie http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49827 Adie Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:02:46 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/carper-trigger-idea-goes-from-bad-to-worse/#comment-49827 <blockquote> <p>Carper’s proposal would leave decisions and solutions up to the states.</p></blockquote> <p>Oh dear oh dear, Senator Carper. Perhaps you missed the memo. You see, the OH Legislature doesn’t know how to pass… erm… legal stuff. Even their system for funding publick educashun has been found unconstitutional multiple times, that is, until the OH supremes refused to deal with the matter any more….</p> <p>oh dear oh dear, where was that pile of -linquents? … they were here just a moment ago, under that rug I believe… or was it 500?<br /> *sigh*</p> <p> i was so very much younger when this all started… i could remember things back then… maybe others have the same problem… a terrible thing to have lost… <em>*sniffle*</em></p> <p>tarnation! I thought I wasn’t going to cry about all this stuff any more.</p>

Carper’s proposal would leave decisions and solutions up to the states.

Oh dear oh dear, Senator Carper. Perhaps you missed the memo. You see, the OH Legislature doesn’t know how to pass… erm… legal stuff. Even their system for funding publick educashun has been found unconstitutional multiple times, that is, until the OH supremes refused to deal with the matter any more….

oh dear oh dear, where was that pile of -linquents? … they were here just a moment ago, under that rug I believe… or was it 500?
*sigh*

i was so very much younger when this all started… i could remember things back then… maybe others have the same problem… a terrible thing to have lost… *sniffle*

tarnation! I thought I wasn’t going to cry about all this stuff any more.

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