Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA) has an amendment which would have states create a “basic health plan” for individuals making less than 200% of the FPL, but more than 133% (the new cut off for Medicaid eligibility). The idea is modeled after the basic health plan in Washington state which has been around for about 20 years. While a good idea, it is in no way a public option.
In essence, what Washington state does is define a basic health plan–it sets the deductible, out of pocket limit, co-pays, drug cost sharing, and defines exactly what must be covered. Private insurers bid to be able to offer basically this exact same plan. A few private insurers are qualified; there are small differences in the basic health plan depending on the insurer the individual selects. Premiums are subsidized by the state to make the plans affordable.
This is not a public option. It is not a health insurance company run by, managed by, or directly overseen by Congress. What Cantwell’s “basic health plan” is is simply a better way to run an exchange. This is closer to how more market-heavy universal health insurance systems are run in other countries (Switzerland, Netherlands, Beligium). The government defines the basic health care plan which must be covered, and companies mainly compete on price of premiums and provider network. In those systems, you can buy supplemental insurance which covers what is not covered by the government-defined minimum benefits package. The idea is also similar to Medicare Advantage without the choice of Medicare.
This is a much better way of running an exchange, in contrast to vague categories of what must be covered and policies sold at different actuarial levels. (The current framework of the exchanges in the Baucus bill is just asking for confusion, bureaucratic red tape, and abuse.) However, it is still just a better exchange, and would still greatly benefit from having a public option as one of the qualified insurance providers.
I see two problems with Cantwell’s amendment. The first is that the basic plan is restricted to only those people making between 133%-200% of the FPL. It should be open to everyone or the whole exchange should be run this way. This would depopulate the original state-based exchanges, reducing the market power and increasing the price for individuals making above 200% of FPL. It makes some people better off, but others considerably worse off.
The other problem is that Cantwell is trying to sell her idea as a public option–and it is not a public option. It is still not a bad idea–it would be an improvement over Baucus’s plan for people making below 200% of FPL (not hard to do)–but it is not a public plan.
My message to Cantwell is simple: Don’t hand progressives a daffodil and try to call it a rose. It discredits you and it discredits a reasonable idea.




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If you combine Senator Cantwell’s idea with Senator Rockefeller’s proposal to cap the amount of government subsidies that insurance companies can pocket… it’s just starting to feel like they are searching for an inferior alternative rather than just doing what they all know would be far superior: the public health insurance option!
At CNN’s political ticker, I left the following comment to the story “Pelosi: GOP has double standard in health care rhetoric debate”
http://politicalticker.blogs.c…..ic-debate/
Citizen Jon Walker:
It ain’t a public option so it ain’t good enough and Obama knows it…even if he could sell it for the moment to a majority of people, within a year it would be clear that the savings are not even makin a dent in the increase in healthcare costs to the consumer and the public.
It is important to remember that not everything in health care reform that is a good idea is the public option. Anytime people are buying insurance that has greater oversight while still being a lower price higher quality that is a good move. I agree we need a public option, that does not mean this can also be part of reform. In fact a public option would work perfectly with a basic health plan program.
I am thinking of sending the following letter to Reid. Feedback will be appreciated!
I don’t think the idea would work unless all insurers were required to offer a basic minimum benefits comprehensive plan. A bunch of state systems would not have the uniformity or market power to make a big impact on industry practices.
Things are moving in the right direction, but without very strong regulatory reform, either huge regional cooperatives (as in NE, South, West and Midwest size regional cooperatives) with real public stakeholder control, or a national public option, are needed to make an impact on the market.
The sad reality is our system is so terrible that it is almost impossible to not improve it. Unfortunately that has become the excuse for doing very little.
Citizen Jon Walker:
Don’t patronize me Citizen Walker, I’ve lived in this country for over 62 years and I’ve been shot at, shit on and spit at and been bullshitted by the best…we have reached the point that incremental steps are NOT gunna make a bit of difference, the entire structure of the economy of healthcare has gotta go public and right now. This is it for unfettered capitalism and the bosses know it…we can’t have people with access to a microphone bailin out on us now.
Trying to find some magic public option that’s nto a public option is stupid.
Public option, or no votes in 2010 thanks.
I’m not lying to you or BSing you. IF they do this instead of a public option that is a terrible defeat. The reform would fail in the long run and be way to expensive. But if they did this in addition to a public option that is fine.
It just seems like the committee had to cut benefits to meet Obama’s arbitrary $900 billion target. Their options were: (A) further water down the plans on the exchange, (B) Put more people on cheap Medicaid rather than letting them be part of the exchange, or (C) Put people into a quasi-Medicaid plan like Cantwell rather than let them be part of the exchange.
I agree that anytime poor people get insurance it’s a good thing. But in this case what happened from yesterday to today is that people making up to 200% FPL lost access to mainstream insurance and got put into the quasi-Medicaid plan. This is a bad thing, wouldn’t you agree?
Jon, from my understanding of Cantwell’s proposal this looks like a good summary, and I also agree with the shortcomings that you point out.
What I do think is brilliant is the fact that she’s basically showing the GOP that their objections to health insurance reform simply don’t hold up; she exposes their objections as spurious and without foundation.
In that sense, I think this was near-genius.
Thanks Jon, I agree. Cantwell’s is a worthy amendment, and I’m glad it passed. It’s not a public health insurance option, and it can’t replace one.
BULL! The Rockefeller amendment would have SAVED $63 Billion dollars. There is nothing about this bill that is actually about saving money, unless you are talking money saved BY the insurance companies! This is about milking Mr. & Ms. America for every thin dime that they can be screwed for. If the Congress critters were serious about saving health care they would never have pulled national universal care or single payer off the table, much less the public option.
I like it. I email Harry just about every day telling him that if he screws up on the public option, and triggers are not an option, I will donate to any opponent, primary or general, and drive to Nevada to add boots on the ground for his opponent because if I’m gonna get screwed anyway, at least I prefer not to be screwed over and lied to about it too. Don’t tell me you’ve got my back as a fellow Democrat so you can stab me in it and pretend that wasn’t you when I turn around and ask what’s going on. I can’t afford to worry more about what letter someone has by their name than what policy they are supporting.
Well said Citizen!
Thanks! Send it as is? I’m not one of his constituents, so I was thinking about sending it to him as a fax. What email address to you use?
Our family lives in WA State, and Senator Cantwell is standing up for the status quo out here, which is horrible. Washington States healthcare system is a mess which does not serve the people as it should. Children are denied therapies which are well-researched, and the insurance companies still have the upper hand. In WA, the insurance companies still stand between a patient, and their doctor…only they are being paid by the State to tell patients to accept what they are willing to give you, and don’t you complain. {The poor would be better off dead, huh?) WA’s Governor used to be WA’s Attorney General. She set up the laws & regulations concerning these programs, and they are horrible. WA accepts Federal Funds for Medicaid for Disabled children, then places these same children on “wait lists” for DDD Waivers so that they can receive the therapies that they need…many of these children have been waiting over 5 years to begin receiving treatment, just because they happen to be in families which don’t have the resources to provide these treatments on their own. Good luck to you if your child is Dx’d with Autism in WA State…our advice would be to flee WA! This is the care that our Senator thinks is good enough for WA’s children.
Holding up Washington States plan as an answer to our national health care crisis is a disgusting thing. “Don’t ask for the care that you need, and die quickly” is all that this so-called option says to me.
Shame on you, Senator Maria Cantwell! Shame on you!
I don’t think I explained myself well. I’m not talking about the Public Option. I love the public option! I’m just talking about the low income people who would be affected by Cantwell’s plan.
Until today the Baucus plan gave low income families a subsidy to buy regular private insurance, as good as what you and I have, for around $150 a month.
But with Cantwell’s plan, they will still pay around $150 a month but instead of being able to choose regular insurance, like what you or I have, they will only get to choose from a very restricted group of low-cost plans.
So the government will save some money by restricting low income families choices. I’m just saying I don’t think you can count this as a win for low income families.
Dear bmull,
You are correct. This is not a win for low income families. She’s just trying to make our Gov. look good…Shame on you, Senator Maria Cantwell! Shame on you!
Without free market competition it’s pretty much inevitable that you have to use the force of government (something the Republicans SAID they didn’t like, but will accept if it favors them & their buddies) to regulate and control prices. Yep, price controls in a round-about way is what we’re talking about. When the gov’t defines ‘basic’ plans they are forcing insurers to do something very very specific and if you add the Rockefeller/House 10% loss rule you control their spending & profits. It’s far from ideal. Of course, having gov’t put hundreds of billions of dollars into healthcare benefits all the insurers, so they’re okay with that kind of government ‘interference’. Hypocrites.
You say the Washington state system is a mess. If you do that and learn from their experience to do it better AND add the other reforms Congress is working on, then could that amalgam work out well?
Isn’t it amazing how the Republicans hate gov’t except when it’s handing out money to their corporate buddies? /s
From what I see this Baucus exchange has very little oversight and could easily not be “regular insurance”. I’m not confident that it would provide good insurance options.
200% of poverty level:
Family Size Gross Annual Income* Gross Monthly Income*
1 20,800 1,734
2 28,000 2,334
3 35,200 2,934
4 42,400 3,534
5 49,600 4,134
6 56,800 4,734
7 64,000 5,334
8 71,200 5,934
9 78,400 6,534
10 85,600 7,134
autismtymz2 -
hear, hear. If you hadn’t said it, I would have added that the “public” health assistance in WA state has waiting lists – for poor adults, too. [wait ’til the anti-government folks find out about that!] A friend tried to sign up, and was told there were insufficient state funds, and the wait was at least 2 years to join the program. He pays over $300 per month for “health insurance”, in case of a disaster, that still has a $6,000/yr deductible (his cost: $300×12 +$6,000 => $9,600 before the insurance company pays a dime). So he was hoping for better, on a very limited income. Not in WA state.
PascoBill
Senator Maria Cantwell will be on MSNBC with Ed in a couple of minutes.
Medicare for all, and force doctors to accept it as payment in full for services rendered…why is this such a foreign concept?
Can’t our President sign an Executive Order, and take this subject on himself? Why does our Legislative branch which is filled with corrupt people get to decide what my health care should be, when their pockets are overflowing with Insurance Company money? They are hypocrites, who refuse to allow real reform to happen.
Disgusting! She’s lying on the Ed Show right now. Shame on you, Senator Cantwell.
Cantwell just called it a public plan on MSNBC.
I am sitting here with 3 denial for services letters from WA DDD concerning our sons’ health care. Senator Cantwell is a liar & a hypocrite.
WA’s health care doesn’t care for those who need it most, yet they still get the Federal funds…disgusting hypocrites!
Wow, Jon. Your analysis really nailed the two problems with Cantwell’s idea right on the head.
On your second problem, see my comment @ 27 above.
But also on this first problem, she totally talked around the issue of who will be participating in such a program (she just kept saying people will be able to do this or that or to get this or that), how many people will benefit from it (”tens of thousands,” she eventually said near the very end of the interview), and who will end up potentially worse off in their care and coverage because they’re not participating in it (presumably the other tens of millions of Americans, about whom she said nothing).
PascoBill- I am sorry to hear that your friend is having to wait. It makes me wonder where all of these Federal dollars that WA receives for health care are going. I know that when business’ need to lose money thay sometimes change their names like the whole Jack in the Box/Monterey Jack’s/Jack in the Box thing. I wonder if that is why WA keeps changing the name of their “health care for the poor” plans?
Just thinking outloud again. Oh yeah, shame on you Senator Cantwell!
Where do these arrogant dickheads get off proposing some shitty ‘basic minimum’ health care plan to US citizens? If M-Cant and O-Snowe get Rolls Royce care from the people, why are they offering us a pre-owned Yugo?
I sympathize with your frustration, but I disagree with your analysis.
It is absolutely true that WA has budget problems. But dissing Cantwell for trying to move a huge obstacle up a hill is not going to solve your problem.
How is ‘forcing’ doctors, who have to pay receptionists, lab assistants, physicians assistants, insurance premiums, professional fees, and also repay expensive medical education bills going to solve this problem?
Do you honestly believe that ‘all’ doctors went through years of education simply so they could have a life of ease? Are you unaware that docs also feel victimized within a system of health insurance costs and payments over which they have no control?
I did not say that Cantwell was perfect.
I also did not say that the State of Wa’s system is perfect.
But it’s also at least a system where the state takes its public responsibility seriously. That doesn’t make it perfect; there a plenty of people who need more resources, but until and unless the healthCo monopolies are busted up, there’s no chance of the state being able to address the problems that you mention.
Cantwell cannot singlehandedly make the world wonderful, nor can she solve the problems of a for-profit health insurance model that have been festering for a generation.
She has, however, placed some options before the Senate Finance Committee that completely, absolutely expose the flawed logic and excuses used by the GOP to stall, delay, and sabotage health insurance reform.
We have not seen any action on health care for over 15 years.
This is not perfection, but it **is** progress.
Now, we just have to keep watching to ensure that it is *real* progress, and not some sham illusion.
My guess would be that they believe that mediocre health care is good enough. The problem is that mediocre is the worst kind of “ocre” that there is…just “good enough” will not solve this issue.
I suggest that all of the Senators and Representatives who vote for “mediocre health care for all” should have their assets frozen, and be forced to live on TANF appropriate for their family size for 2 years, including all resource limits which are currently imposed on TANF program participants. Give them all WA State Medicaid with an assigned HMO. The HMO then chooses who their Dr. will be, and in keeping with how things are done here in WA, are denied every procedure/treatment/therapy that their Dr. knows will assist them, while telling them that the care that they are receiving is “good enough”. I bet that they would demand a real Public Option + real lasting Welfare reform that matches today’s poverty level, not numbers from the 1970’s.
That is change that I could believe in, but it will never happen. We who are “the have not’s” are not listened to due to the belief that is held by many in our country…You’re poor because you’re stupid, or you’re stupid because you’re poor. Our Legislators just don’t care if we live or die, as long as we don’t bother them!
Shame on you Senator Maria Cantwell! Shame on you!
did you know that a majority of doctors support national health insurance? pnhp has spent years educating them, maybe that helped.
more single payer polls:
http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html
the impediment is not docs. it’s corporate power that must not be challenged.
These alternative proposals to the PO, such as the recent one from Sen. Cantwell, are all by necessity inferior deviations from the least costly way to pay for health care.
It can’t be emphasised enough that health insurers are simply payers for the care we receive from health care professionals. The insurer pays with money we contribute. Paying for the care we receive is a simple transaction that is done best when the money goes to pay directly for the service received rather than to have a portion kept by some other entity making the payment. There is absolutely no need for a private entity to make this payment for profit.
As payers, insurers have no role in determining the nature of the health care that is delivered aside from assuring that the care is in keeping with accepted standards. You hear so often that insurers will determine the nature of the health care system but that is not their function. A public insurance scheme is the cheapest way to pay for the health care that is provided and the more people it includes the cheaper the premiums. Therefore there should be no further compromising on this plan. The fact that the PO will function alongside of private insurers rather than replace them is compromise enough.
The President doesn’t have the authority to do this. But Congress can extend Medicare to everyone through reconciliation. It only takes 50 + 1 votes.
I cannot bring myself to have empathy for Dr’s who refuse to Dx children so that WA State can save a few bucks, or who deny therapy to patients because they won’t make enough money by treating these individuals in an appropriate fashion.
Though I believe that this may be an unpopular view, I view Dr’s the same way that I view govt. employees, and teachers: they are to serve the public good. They went to college, studied hard, got their degrees, found jobs, and made money. If I am understanding what you wrote, these individuals are just working at their jobs, or they are small business owners. They are not serving the public good, they are just in it to make a buck. I just cannot have empathy for those whose only real complaint appears to be that they need to make more money.
What would the Dr’s have to complain about if the Health Care reform bill was to include the option for new Dr’s to have all of their College loans forgiven + malpractice insurance paid for by our Government if they agree to accept Medicare & Medicaid as payment in full for services rendered for the first 10 years after they graduate? The graduates could choose to be involved with this program or not. I believe that an approach such as this would work…2 birds – 1 stone.
Shame on you Senator Maria Cantwell for not thinking outside the box, and considering your constituents.
Thank you :)
Cantwell’s proposal is nothing more than a fraud and a f**king smokescreen! There’s a 3 year waiting list in WA state for this particular healthcare scheme this “corporate slut” is suggesting for the country. This bimbo is one of the sleaziest “street-walkers” in the Senate … but then again what do ya expect from an ex-RealNetworks douchebag!!
Cantwell’s proposal is nothing more than a fraud and a f**king smokescreen! There’s a 3 year waiting list in WA state for this particular healthcare scheme this “corporate slut” is suggesting for the country. This bimbo is one of the sleaziest “street-walkers” in the Senate … but then again what do ya expect from an ex-RealNetworks douchebag!!
I completely agree!
My point is that docs don’t operate the health insurance system.
Although, given the fact that Frist and his family own mega-hospital (with billing operations) interests, it’s no surprise whatsoever that health care didn’t come up when he was Sen Majority Leader under GOP reign.
Docs that I’ve heard are **completely** fed up with the current system of control by healthCos (who, arguably, are just a front op for Wall Street gamblers).
Well, gosh.
What to tell you?
I watch the CSPAN streaming video on a RealPlayer.
That was developed by Real Networks.
Part of the thinking behind all these technologies, IIRC, was to pull away the curtain of the very kind of backroom, secrecy-drenched bullshit that’s gone on in this nation for at least 150 years, when Senate Hearings were invisible to all of us.
So why anyone other than a troll would call Cantwell a ‘douchebag’ for contributing to technologies that help make transparency possible escapes me entirely.
Evidently, I did not make myself clear.
Some docs actually do not make all that much money. Apparently, that will come as news to you.
I know docs who have given their services for free, because they live frugally and went into medicine to serve people. I know other docs who live well, but still donate their expertise at very little, or no, cost.
However, when a physician has to cut a paycheck to his/her receptionist, nurse practitioners, etc, etc, they have to cover that check. The money to cover that check comes from providing services. If they don’t generate enough revenue from the services that they provide, then they are not able to pay their staff — and the doc is already working for free at that point.
It actually does happen.
Practices actually do shut down for precisely this reason.
Cantwell is saying: we have to change the cost structure from that pay-for-service model to a model where the healthCo’s don’t profit from taking your money, then contracting with docs, then selling that contract to yet ANOTHER healthCo (who will then take that contracted amount and reduce it, with docs caught unable to change the amount they are reimbursed).
Who makes money there?
The healthCos.
We need to shake the healthCo profits lose so that we have more money actually being used to provide health care (as opposed to say, exec bonuses and corporate jets).
You want real reform? USE the federal tax code as a gauntlet to control the behavior (COST)of for profit and tax exempt health insurance operating at the stae level. Revoke the tax exempt status of corporations who use tax exempt status to avoid, tax liabilities, which provide a mechanism, via incentives and disincentive to craft effective policy (COST CONTROLS)
THE HEALTH ENTITIES TAX ACT!
Next Congress Invokes Interstate commerce clause and regulates interstate commerce by Setting a:
THE HEALTH INSURANCE STANDARDIZATION AND SIMPLIFICATION ACT
Across the country all American will have access to health care regardless of age race sex. You see insurance corporations discriminate and set rates according to age sex and race, all measures of discrimination, ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Health insurance corporations operating at the state level regardless of tax status are using discrimination, under the color of contractual law, and statE’S rights to achieve this systemic sodomizationn of the American people. Segregationist and Jim Crow laws usurped the constitutional rights AND CIVIL RIGHTS of American for decades. State sponsored discrimination is illegal. Slavery illegal. Corporate insures have taken a page out of the segregationist/slave owners handbook, at the state level they exercise the same discriminatory practices when fucking Americans and America under the color of law in the lust for perpetual profit, as Jefferson warned!
Kings and cohorts in colonial corporate crime raped the colonist many a time. In 200+ years we have become that which we severed our ties from…..
Corporate servitude is no different from servitude to a King. Jefferson understood this! What the fuck is wrong with America!! Silent Germans and Greedy Assholes?
How is it that corporations have more standing than people? Read Jefferson and Madison concerning the fears of “CORPORATIONS” and the corporate attempts to subvert government, to line their pockets at the expense of a fellow citizens life. SCUM BY DEFINITION!!!!!!!!!!
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Senators Rockefeller, Schumer, Stabenow and Widen of the Senate Finance Committee Sub-committee on Health, did a great job of pointing out that the Medical Industrial Complex’s contribution to Health Care Reform, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is $20 BILLION and in return they will get $500 BILLION in TAX-PAYER FUNDED SUBSIDIES. Democratic Senators baucus, conrad, carper, lincoln and nelson voted with the republicans to kill the public option 09-29-09.
Criminally corrupt politicians are the reason the U.S. is ranked near the bottom of every catagory when ranked next to other modern, industrialized nations. Time for publically funded elections.
lieberman $12.6M, mcconnell $7.8M, baucus $7.7M, cornyn $6.7M,
kyl $5.6M, grassley $5.4M, ensign $5.2M, conrad $5.1M, cantor $4.9M,
nelson $4.9M, burr $4.8M, boehner $4.4M, hatch $4.4M, lincoln $4.1M,
vitter $3.9M, carper $3.6M were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform. (Source: OpenSecrets.org, Aug. 09)
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You have made your opinion clear, and I thank you for your response. I appreciate hearing your ideas, though I notice that you didn’t really comment on what I wrote…here it is again;
“Though I believe that this may be an unpopular view, I view Dr’s the same way that I view govt. employees, and teachers: they are to serve the public good. They went to college, studied hard, got their degrees, found jobs, and made money. If I am understanding what you wrote, these individuals are just working at their jobs, or they are small business owners. They are not serving the public good, they are just in it to make a buck. I just cannot have empathy for those whose only real complaint appears to be that they need to make more money.
What would the Dr’s have to complain about if the Health Care reform bill was to include the option for new Dr’s to have all of their College loans forgiven + malpractice insurance paid for by our Government if they agree to accept Medicare & Medicaid as payment in full for services rendered for the first 10 years after they graduate? The graduates could choose to be involved with this program or not. I believe that an approach such as this would work…2 birds – 1 stone.”
I believe that this is a workable concept that could work out well for everyone who chooses to participate. Considering the millions of children, elderly, and the disabled who have been the main users of these programs, the afore mentioned concept would be a win-win situation for those health professionals who chose to participate and the patients.
Our President has said that he doesn’t see the need for Medicare Advantage plans to pay for services that Medicare recipients are already entitled to receive. In WA State if you are receiving Medicare and SSI, Medicaid pays your Part B and Part D premium and covers your dental and vision. You do not need to belong to an HMO to receive this benefit. All services are paid directly through Medicare/Medicaid to the provider. This system of health care delievery and payment eliminates the need to pay someone/something to do a job that our government already does quite efficiently.
The time is now, and the dream shall never die. Medicare for all :)
I confess myself mystified that you took this meaning from what I wrote.
Teachers get paid, but relative to many other jobs they are not well paid. I’ve never met a teacher, nor a doc, who was ‘only in it to make a buck’ who was worth a damn at their work.
The finest researchers, docs, and nurses that I’ve been privileged to encounter are actually not in it for the money. Among those that I’ve encountered, they would actually make more money in private practices, but take HMO, research positions, and work with rural communities because they believe that they can make a difference in people’s lives. Further, it has been my experience that within their own social networks they judge people by their integrity and personal contributions more than they judge them by the kinds of cars they drive or whether they have 3 vacation homes.
I would also say the same is true of teachers and professors that I know.
In medicine and education, I’ve never met anyone at whose primary motive was money who was really at the top of their profession.
Good docs know who the good docs are.
Good teachers know who the other good teachers are.
There are people in medicine and in education whose primary motive is financial security, but in my personal experience those are not the people in the field who are most admired by their colleagues. Tolerated, yes. Enjoyed, sometimes.
I’ve told you everything that matters, so will now close on my end.