Brian Beutler and K-Tum read the tea leaves on Olympia Snowe’s potential withdrawal of her "trigger" amendment. BB:
The exact reason for that is unclear, but Time’s Karen Tumulty notes that, in the wake of yesterday’s losing public option votes, things may be a bit too hot in Finance right now for triggers to survive. And that makes sense intuitively: Republicans not named Olympia Snowe almost certainly won’t support the amendment, and public option enthusiasts like Sens. Jay Rockefeller and Chuck Schumer may not want to back a trigger at this point, for fear of foreclosing on a straightforward public option down the line.
Nobody wants to own triggers, especially not now. It would spoil all the fun to be had on the floor giving passionate arguments in favor of the public plan, only to do the "statesmanlike thing" and accept triggers as a "compromise." That’s a second act reversal, not part of the opening montage. They have to nurse the narrative toward "inevitability" before they’ll feel good about doing what they’ve always intended to do.
[T]he Obama White House has made no secret of its belief that the trigger could be the compromise on the public option that the President has been looking for. And should the public plan be defeated on the Senate floor–as now appears likely–some of its supporters may be willing to give the trigger idea another look, especially if President Obama decides to explicitly support it. (In his health care speech before Congress, he cited it as one of several "constructive ideas worth exploring.")
Nobody has said it would be defeated on the Senate floor. Conrad and Schumer have said the public option doesn’t have 60 votes — which means that it won’t ever get to the Senate floor.
If in fact it’s "likely," that means there are Democrats who will join with Republicans and filibuster a Democratic bill, one that the President "says" he wants (though that claim is growing increasingly dubious). Harry Reid has gone to that well one too many times. If he uses it as an excuse for procedural moves that will keep the public option off the floor, he and his kid will own it in 2010. The veal pen may be out of the way, but I can think of 3 or 4 outfits off the top of my head that would move quickly to hammer Nevada with advertising. And they’d have no trouble raising money for commercials asking if the state really needs another Reid if the one they’ve got is covering for shady deals to shovel hundreds of billions in taxpayer dollars (not to mention the ever-popular mandates) into the pockets of insurance industry barons.
Reid may think he’s safe because the biggest union in Nevada, the Culinary Workers (part of John Wilhelm’s Unite-HERE), is finally turning out for him. They had been withholding support until Reid brought EFCA to the floor, but they recently rejoined the AFL-CIO and are now working on Reid’s behalf. Sure hope "screwing us on procedure by keeping it off the floor" doesn’t qualify as "support" for the public option in Trumka’s eyes, because I doubt many others will agree.
Tell Harry it’s too risky for the Reid name in Nevada to take that particular hit on the eve of an election when he’s down in the polls to "generic GOP challenger." Let him know it’s not acceptable for him to protect Democrats who are willing to join with the GOP to keep Democratic legislation from getting an up or down vote.
If he wants to go down that road, he needs to name those Democrats.





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Which, as far as average American interests are concerned, is nothing.
So rather than continue to offer compromises up to the chainsaw of Rahm, Congress, and Pravda-US and watch them get chewed down to nothing, let’s start again with the all or nothing demand of Medicare for All Americans.
Another reason I suspect Snowe isn’t offering her amendment is that the CBO (which hasn’t publicly released its findings) scored it as saving ZERO money.
I mean, how does a trigger that can never happen save any money?
i have posted her wiki here several times
orphaned at 9…i suspect though NOW being 10 RICHEST congresscritter
she has lived on PUBLIC HEALTHCARE for more than 1/2 a century
hypocrite!
Snowe was born Olympia Jean Bouchles in Augusta, Maine, the daughter of Georgia Goranites and George John Bouchles. Her father immigrated to the United States from Sparta, Greece.[4][dubious – discuss] She is a member of the Greek Orthodox Church.[5][6]
Snowe’s early life contained much tragedy; her mother died of breast cancer when she was eight, and her father died of heart disease barely a year later. Orphaned, she was moved to Auburn, Maine, to be raised by her aunt and uncle, a barber and a textile mill worker respectively, along with their five other children. Her brother John was raised separately, by other family members. Within a few years, illness would also claim her uncle’s life.
Meanwhile, the Rahm-approved front page headline on the NYT:
“Swiss Health Care Thrives Without Public Option”
See it can be done!!! (Just don’t read the actual text where it describes a system that could never, in fact, happen here.)
birdcage liner
But, I heard Schumer say on live tv yesterday that the Public Option is not dead. That’s what I thought he said. Correct me if I misheard. I very easily could have done that.
Health care insurance exec gets murdered on tonight’s CSI-NY. Guess we know how this episode is gonna end. Perp is distraught husband whose wife died (in childbirth, breast cancer, ovarian cyst, take your pick) because she was refused treatment by her insurer.
I sent Reid following letter. Instead of telling him to name the Senators who won’t vote for cloture, I told him to make it happen or to get his incompetent ass out of the way.
Shumer’s words are not worth the lips that they exit.
And Jane, I’m guessing you’ve already seen this, but if not, from The Hill:
eCAHN,
Sorry I lost my cool earlier!
well done!
I thought the whole thing was funny. Not to worry.
Nobody has said it would be defeated on the Senate floor. Conrad and Schumer have said the public option doesn’t have 60 votes — which means that it won’t ever get to the Senate floor
No that just means a filibuster if we try and bring it to the Senate floor I want Harry Reid and other Dems who’s polls are low because of opposition to healthcare to be forced to vote to stop a filibuster or explain why they did not to their voters.
Healthcare is and has been the only big issue for months now since August at least. The reason why GOP Congressional approval polls are staying in the 20 is because of Healthcare.
Since Healthcare has taken over the economy as the big news issue. The GOP needs another issue for the news they need Healthcare to go away quietly.
Months of being in the 20% range in the polls hardens voters views.
BTW, allan drew us into a troll ejection frenzy several mornings ago by not putting a snark tag. It happens. Hard to tell tone of voice from typed comments without emoticons.
A lot of congressional candidates (except Grayson) are going to end their fundraising quarters tonight
with a whimper. How many of them will think outside the bubble and figure out why?
classic punaise
The Four Whores of the Alpaca Lips.
/s just kills the joke. TBogg’s “Also.” is a good alternative.
Wow. That’s a real winner!
maybe the rockefeller and schumer amendments were only meant to warn her off . {{{{{sighs}}}}} i can dream right?
My theory is the GOP wins low turnout low voter interest elections with their 20%er base. But with approval numbers in the 20’s based first on the economy and now healthcare if voters were to become uninterested in the issues perhaps because of a defeat on healthcare.
How will the GOP get voters interested in their new ideas? How will the GOP get voters to change their minds about them when nobody is listening?
The GOP low voter interest elections are won by the entire 20%er base showing up it used to be an over 30%er base, and getting the 21% more they need from Moderate voters.
Now they need 31% to win but to get that when voters are not listening?
Healthcare even if we lose and our base the 70%ers gets mopey dooms the GOP.
last nite on Elis thread
rapier wit!
So, your ears were ringing?
So (again), there’s this prison. Most inmates have been incarcerated for a long time together (ie, FDL community for those as metaphorically challenged as I am). Coming into the mess hall for lunch, one inmate shouts: “87,” and everyone laughs. The new inmate asks what’s so funny, and it is explained to him that everyone knows the jokes so well that they have numbers, and all you need to do is call out the number. So the newbie shouts “53″ and nobody laughs. The newbie asks why and his mentor responds: “It must have been the way you told it.”
In the last hour or so, 26 more people have donated to Rep Alan Grayson via FDL’s “Stand by Alan Grayson” at ActBlue. Right on!
http://www.actblue.com/page/standbygrayson
I listened to Diane Rehm’s program on healthcare. Callers were asking why the Senate Dems are just assuming that they will get filibustered by the GOP on a public option & therefore surrendering a public option without forcing the GOP to actually do the filibuster. Everyone knows the majority in the US still favor a public option (although we are all confused about what the heck is going on in the House & Senate committees & with the Admin). So why aren’t the Dems going to force the GOP to do the filibuster & force the GOP to face the political consequences of that? Instead, the Dems will give up without a fight? That seems odd & makes you wonder if the Dems have made a deal with the insurance companies or if they’re afraid they can’t even get 51 votes.
This leverage works only if Harry cares about his son and cares about his reputation more than money. Since I’m sure if he loses Corporate America has a job for him. If not he will become a lobbyist. We need to stop this!
You betcha. I have a punning friend and I offered punaise a pun wrestle. He wisely declined on the basis of not making enemies unneccesarily, which competing punners are likely to do, apparently.
I gave this afternoon. How can you tell what the total is over recent periods? Are you keeping track, or is there a way to do it onsite?
I completely get it about watching ALL the senators, especially and including Snowe.
But what I am most intently watching is the Dem Senators. As in other posts here and elsewhere, which ones will support a filibuster? Harry and the Dems own it along with Obama, and that’s where I personally care to concentrate fire.
Because that’s where “it works”, or doesn’t work.
How’s THAT for pragmatism, Rahm?
Baucus,Conrad,Lincoln,Nelson=19,000,000$ insurance co money
iirc
Answer Senate Leader Harry Reid is in the tank to the healthcare industry.
The page that I see at Act Blue – FDL’s “Stand by Alan Grayson” – has a counter that shows the number of supporters and total amount donated.
http://www.actblue.com/page/standbygrayson
I just remember the numbers from the previous time that I looked at the page. The number was at 61 supporters just over an hour ago. Now it’s at 90!
Just threw $50 Rep. Grayson’s way. He did gooood!!!!
That’s what I thought. You’re keeping track, kinda. I didn’t look at the counter when I gave.
Whoo hoo. Hopes he gets enough to encourage him to do it more often. Tonight he’s my hero.
Yeah, nothing high tech about what I’m doin.
I just remember that I was number 62.
Grayson did exactly what I would like to think I would have done, and probably said it better than I ever could have…
Gotta give him kudos for what he did!
Looking at Grayson’s post at Kos he has raised about $60,000 today as of about 10 minutes ago.
Dunno if anyone cares, but CNN’s Rick Sanchez did a little bit this afternoon about which finance committee Senators get how much from the healthcare industry. He seemed genuinely outraged. Have to admit I was taken aback and pleasantly amused.
Well,
If that’s what Obama want’s.
Good luck in 10, 12, 14, ,,, 00. The receiving, door knocking line stops.
This appears to be the scenario we can expect, alas.
Good point. The public option has been three cards on a table. Baucus, Carper, and the rest of the dogs keep moving them around, Rahm Emanuel is looking out for the cops, the private insurance and pharmacuetical industries are shills pretending to lose a few paltry billion when they stand to gain trillions and have customers locked in with the power of the government with no hard price or quality controls. And to top it all off using tax credits and vowing it will be “paid for” means cuts in public services practically guaranteed to feed that corporate bottom line. Single payer. Medicare for all. Public health insurance. No fine print. No medical Fed. No vicious con. I think the public will like those options.
Emanuel has told Reid to tell ED of MSNBC that the Public Option is gone in the Senate.
Snowe and the Republicans are irrelevant.
The problem comes out of the White House where Americans have been sold out to Corporate Interests and Profits in return for Campaign Funding!
Here’s how Olympia Snowe reacts to Maine constituents who WANT THE PUBLIC OPTION:
http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/…..abagggers/
She’s a hateful witch who should not be trusted at all.