Comments on: Carper’s Brand New “Alternative” To The Public Option http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:33:20 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: MarkH http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49763 MarkH Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:17:24 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49763 <p>Excellent answer and clearly not a ‘lefty’ thing at all.</p> Excellent answer and clearly not a ‘lefty’ thing at all.

]]> By: MarkH http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49762 MarkH Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:16:24 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49762 <p>Forget the Rahm factor. It’s on Lincoln and the other Blue Dogs to come through for the party or be prepared to get primaried.</p> <p>Of course, in this case it’s people like Ben Nelson who are the final brick in the wall of opposition. It’s very hard to stop someone like that.</p> Forget the Rahm factor. It’s on Lincoln and the other Blue Dogs to come through for the party or be prepared to get primaried.

Of course, in this case it’s people like Ben Nelson who are the final brick in the wall of opposition. It’s very hard to stop someone like that.

]]> By: MarkH http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49760 MarkH Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:11:29 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49760 <p>A Progressive can be either conservative or liberal, but they are energetic idea factories in response to perceived problems in the world and they want to get on with solving problems and enabling people to live better lives.</p> <p>The difference between a conservative and liberal are the same as always except that within the Democratic party that difference is more narrow than across the broader political spectrum.</p> <p>For example, many Lib are happy with mandates (in this health reform debate), but I don’t like the gov’t forcing people’s hands. I’d rather have a public option with no mandates to enable people and to achieve more of the free market Competition. A Lib tends not to worry about the competition so much and focuses instead on the outcome of more healthcare for people. That’s why they’re happy with the simpler idea of single-payer. However, both want to get on with solving this huge financial, moral, health problem for the nation.</p> <p>ymmv</p> A Progressive can be either conservative or liberal, but they are energetic idea factories in response to perceived problems in the world and they want to get on with solving problems and enabling people to live better lives.

The difference between a conservative and liberal are the same as always except that within the Democratic party that difference is more narrow than across the broader political spectrum.

For example, many Lib are happy with mandates (in this health reform debate), but I don’t like the gov’t forcing people’s hands. I’d rather have a public option with no mandates to enable people and to achieve more of the free market Competition. A Lib tends not to worry about the competition so much and focuses instead on the outcome of more healthcare for people. That’s why they’re happy with the simpler idea of single-payer. However, both want to get on with solving this huge financial, moral, health problem for the nation.

ymmv

]]> By: MarkH http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49758 MarkH Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:01:12 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49758 <p>The Republicans seem to hate gov’t until it’s their goose getting skewered. They might fight the public option to the death, but they’re just as likely to want to protect the anti-trust exemption for health care because they’re lying stupid hypocrites.</p> <p>Don’t expect logic to work with crud like that.</p> The Republicans seem to hate gov’t until it’s their goose getting skewered. They might fight the public option to the death, but they’re just as likely to want to protect the anti-trust exemption for health care because they’re lying stupid hypocrites.

Don’t expect logic to work with crud like that.

]]> By: Criggs http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49655 Criggs Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:04:14 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49655 <p>I’m taking the liberty of posting this twice in this blog because I believe it could be important.</p> <p>Schumer voting no?</p> <p>I just called up Schumer’s office asking whether he had decided whether or not to vote the Baucus bill out of committee. I was pretty sure I would simply be told that Schumer wouldn’t decide until the amendment process was over.</p> <p>Instead, I was told that “he can’t vote for it as it is now!”</p> <p>If this guy was correct, I think this is very encouraging news. It means that we are one vote away from preventing the Baucus outrage from ever being reported out. If we can get one more no vote from the Democratic side, this would mean that all Harry Reid has to take to the Senate floor next month is the Kennedy/Dodd bill from HELP, with its rich and juicy public option!</p> <p>Which means that the financing for the bill would have to be offered as an amendment on the floor from — whoever (hopefully not Baucus!).</p> <p>I figured this news was important enough that I should share it with the community. Obviously this is not confirmed.</p> I’m taking the liberty of posting this twice in this blog because I believe it could be important.

Schumer voting no?

I just called up Schumer’s office asking whether he had decided whether or not to vote the Baucus bill out of committee. I was pretty sure I would simply be told that Schumer wouldn’t decide until the amendment process was over.

Instead, I was told that “he can’t vote for it as it is now!”

If this guy was correct, I think this is very encouraging news. It means that we are one vote away from preventing the Baucus outrage from ever being reported out. If we can get one more no vote from the Democratic side, this would mean that all Harry Reid has to take to the Senate floor next month is the Kennedy/Dodd bill from HELP, with its rich and juicy public option!

Which means that the financing for the bill would have to be offered as an amendment on the floor from — whoever (hopefully not Baucus!).

I figured this news was important enough that I should share it with the community. Obviously this is not confirmed.

]]> By: bandit09 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49650 bandit09 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:50:09 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49650 <p>Who appointed this guy? We need him like a 45 year old prostitute needs another screw.</p> Who appointed this guy? We need him like a 45 year old prostitute needs another screw.

]]> By: Palli http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49546 Palli Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:21:32 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49546 <p>Bet Viagra is funded and probably an essential ingredient in K street cocktails.</p> Bet Viagra is funded and probably an essential ingredient in K street cocktails.

]]> By: Ann in AZ http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49527 Ann in AZ Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:36:43 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49527 <p>Anthony Tarricone is currently doing <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/fool-me-once-the-insurance-industry-looks-to-tort-reform-to-pad-profits/" rel="nofollow">a live chat</a> with Marcy at FDL: “Fool Me Once: The Insurance Industry Looks to Tort Reform to Pad Profits”</p> Anthony Tarricone is currently doing a live chat with Marcy at FDL: “Fool Me Once: The Insurance Industry Looks to Tort Reform to Pad Profits”

]]> By: Hugh http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49525 Hugh Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:34:49 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49525 <p>For me, a progressive is for improving the lives of ordinary Americans by giving them good stable jobs, good education, good healthcare, and good retirement. We are fact-based and solution-oriented. We believe in social tolerance and fairness. We do not believe in extremes of wealth or poverty. We are for the rights of the individual and privacy. And we think that government can play a useful and beneficial role in securing these goods for all Americans.</p> <p>It says a lot about twisted and distorted our political discourse and system has become that any of this sounds to the “left”.</p> For me, a progressive is for improving the lives of ordinary Americans by giving them good stable jobs, good education, good healthcare, and good retirement. We are fact-based and solution-oriented. We believe in social tolerance and fairness. We do not believe in extremes of wealth or poverty. We are for the rights of the individual and privacy. And we think that government can play a useful and beneficial role in securing these goods for all Americans.

It says a lot about twisted and distorted our political discourse and system has become that any of this sounds to the “left”.

]]> By: cbl2 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49518 cbl2 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:15:43 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/carpers-brand-new-alternative-to-the-public-option/#comment-49518 <p>for immediate gratification: <a href="http://twitter.com/blanchelincoln" rel="nofollow">her twitter page</a></p> <p>you be nice now :D</p> for immediate gratification: her twitter page

you be nice now :D

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