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		<title>By: NAVDOC3rdMAR</title>
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		<dc:creator>NAVDOC3rdMAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Criminally corrupt politicians are the reason the U.S. is ranked near the bottom of every catagory when ranked next to other modern, industrialized nations. Time for publically funded elections. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,&lt;br /&gt;lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,&lt;br /&gt;conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M, boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K&lt;br /&gt;were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.&lt;br /&gt;(Source: OpenSecrets.org)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Co-Author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler of a Recent Harvard Study on Annual Deaths of America’s Uninsured, says the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States. The only way to affordably cover all Americans is through a Medicare-for-All, Single-Payer System. A Single-Payer System would generate $300-$400 billion in administrative savings annually, enough to cover all of the uninsured, and to plug the gaps in coverage for Americans with only partial coverage. Obviously, Medicare-for-all is anathema to the insurance industry. What politicians are doing is saving insurance industry profits, by sacrificing American lives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;12 Million Americans were denied health care coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a pre-existing medical condition. 12K Americans are denied insurance coverage everyday by a for-profit Insurance bureaucrat. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Medical malpractice lawsuits are a hot topic but, are they? Tort Reform is such a “Red Herring” and is easily disproved.  A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office said medical malpractice makes up only 2 percent of U.S. health spending. Even “significant reductions” would do little to curb health-care expenses, it concluded. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;bush(43) economic speech writer david frum, at least, is willing to admit the idea about selling insurance across state lines is a crock: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;New Jersey health policies cost more in large part because New Jersey hospitals and doctors charge more. If I buy a cheaper Kentucky policy that reimburses my providers at Kentucky rates, leaving me to pay the balance, how much good does that do me? And if the Kentucky policy is made to pay New Jersey rates, there vanishes my low Kentucky price.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are some of the easily refuted arguments bought and paid for by the Medical Industrial Complex to derail any chance of their criminally massive profits being reduced.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Follow the Money: &lt;a href=&quot;http://hmc-lavadogs.livejournal.com/20128.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Call Congress and demand, Single-Payer Health Care for All!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Toll Free # House and Senate)&lt;br /&gt;1-866-338-1015 _____ 1-866-220-0044&lt;br /&gt;1-800-473-6711 _____ 1-866-311-3405&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sign Single-Payer Petition: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.singlepayeraction.org/join.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don’t let the Medical Industrial Complex steal your Health Care from you and your family by donating huge sums of money to Crooked Politicians in order to maintain the Status Quo. Keep up the good fight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SEMPER FI!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminally corrupt politicians are the reason the U.S. is ranked near the bottom of every catagory when ranked next to other modern, industrialized nations. Time for publically funded elections. </p>
<p>The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.</p>
<p>mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,<br />lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,<br />conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M, boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K<br />were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.<br />(Source: OpenSecrets.org)</p>
<p>Co-Author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler of a Recent Harvard Study on Annual Deaths of America’s Uninsured, says the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States. The only way to affordably cover all Americans is through a Medicare-for-All, Single-Payer System. A Single-Payer System would generate $300-$400 billion in administrative savings annually, enough to cover all of the uninsured, and to plug the gaps in coverage for Americans with only partial coverage. Obviously, Medicare-for-all is anathema to the insurance industry. What politicians are doing is saving insurance industry profits, by sacrificing American lives.</p>
<p>12 Million Americans were denied health care coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a pre-existing medical condition. 12K Americans are denied insurance coverage everyday by a for-profit Insurance bureaucrat. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren) </p>
<p>Medical malpractice lawsuits are a hot topic but, are they? Tort Reform is such a “Red Herring” and is easily disproved.  A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office said medical malpractice makes up only 2 percent of U.S. health spending. Even “significant reductions” would do little to curb health-care expenses, it concluded. </p>
<p>bush(43) economic speech writer david frum, at least, is willing to admit the idea about selling insurance across state lines is a crock: </p>
<p>New Jersey health policies cost more in large part because New Jersey hospitals and doctors charge more. If I buy a cheaper Kentucky policy that reimburses my providers at Kentucky rates, leaving me to pay the balance, how much good does that do me? And if the Kentucky policy is made to pay New Jersey rates, there vanishes my low Kentucky price.</p>
<p>These are some of the easily refuted arguments bought and paid for by the Medical Industrial Complex to derail any chance of their criminally massive profits being reduced.</p>
<p>Follow the Money: <a href="http://hmc-lavadogs.livejournal.com/20128.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Call Congress and demand, Single-Payer Health Care for All!</p>
<p>(Toll Free # House and Senate)<br />1-866-338-1015 _____ 1-866-220-0044<br />1-800-473-6711 _____ 1-866-311-3405</p>
<p>Sign Single-Payer Petition: <a href="http://www.singlepayeraction.org/join.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Don’t let the Medical Industrial Complex steal your Health Care from you and your family by donating huge sums of money to Crooked Politicians in order to maintain the Status Quo. Keep up the good fight.</p>
<p>SEMPER FI!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Suggesting that there is such a thing as ‘party treason’ is tantamount to actual treason.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suggesting that there is such a thing as ‘party treason’ is tantamount to actual treason.</p>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
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		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yeah, and then he said that public opinion was overwhelmingly favorable to the PO. He sees no connection between advertising defending the PO and maintenance of heavy majority support for it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, and then he said that public opinion was overwhelmingly favorable to the PO. He sees no connection between advertising defending the PO and maintenance of heavy majority support for it.</p>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
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		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The plural is putzim.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plural is putzim.</p>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
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		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We are. I’ll be looking for them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are. I’ll be looking for them.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulaT</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I support Joe (though I don’t live in PA so my support can only go so far) specifically because he does nip at Specter’s heels.  The establishment dems and the WH need to get a message about trying to micromanage the politics instead of managing to represent the people who voted for them. More important to me than Specter’s turncoat status is the establishment’s assumption that if they bless Specter, he’s in.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support Joe (though I don’t live in PA so my support can only go so far) specifically because he does nip at Specter’s heels.  The establishment dems and the WH need to get a message about trying to micromanage the politics instead of managing to represent the people who voted for them. More important to me than Specter’s turncoat status is the establishment’s assumption that if they bless Specter, he’s in.</p>
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		<title>By: Russron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t call him a Gentleman–he’s pond scum.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll correct that–don’t insult pond scum with the comparison.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t call him a Gentleman–he’s pond scum.</p>
<p>I’ll correct that–don’t insult pond scum with the comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the effort that goes into avoiding accountability really pisses me off. if some of the dems want to join with the gop to kill the po, they have to be accountable to the public for that. otherwise we’re just playing at representative gov.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and i say this as someone who thinks, as a matter of healthcare reform policy, that a bad po is worse, much worse than no po (and i think all the pos now in play look bad). ymmv.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p.s. pow wow, we could use your help in eli’s thread on the reconciliation process — thanks (as always!)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the effort that goes into avoiding accountability really pisses me off. if some of the dems want to join with the gop to kill the po, they have to be accountable to the public for that. otherwise we’re just playing at representative gov.</p>
<p>and i say this as someone who thinks, as a matter of healthcare reform policy, that a bad po is worse, much worse than no po (and i think all the pos now in play look bad). ymmv.</p>
<p>p.s. pow wow, we could use your help in eli’s thread on the reconciliation process — thanks (as always!)</p>
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		<title>By: ArkansasDem</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArkansasDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a progressive Arkansan, Blanche Lincoln can kiss my campaign contributions goodbye.  I’ll never give her another dime.  I’d love to primary her out and will contribute to and work hard for any REAL Democrat who challenges her.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a progressive Arkansan, Blanche Lincoln can kiss my campaign contributions goodbye.  I’ll never give her another dime.  I’d love to primary her out and will contribute to and work hard for any REAL Democrat who challenges her.</p>
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		<title>By: powwow</title>
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		<dc:creator>powwow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If Harry Reid, et al, don’t force a cloture vote so the public can see who votes with the GOP, that means the party leadership &lt;b&gt;want to protect&lt;/b&gt; those who would vote against cloture from citizen action.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Absolutely bang-on, selise - your point and Jane’s, both.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Baucus’s transparently &lt;b&gt;bad faith&lt;/b&gt; excuse for keeping a public option out of the Senate Finance Committee bill (which has been his unstated objective &lt;i&gt;for months&lt;/i&gt; now) is called a self-fulfilling prophecy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What Max Baucus just explicitly did with his &lt;b&gt;No!&lt;/b&gt; votes on the public option amendments, and with his accompanying incredible explanations for those votes, mirrors what he’s been doing for Obama, the Emanuel Brothers, fellow corporatist Democrats, and private industry throughout this fraudulent process: &lt;b&gt;Baucus today deliberately &lt;i&gt;provided cover&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; for those in Congress and the White House &lt;b&gt;opposed to what Baucus &lt;i&gt;professes&lt;/i&gt; to support&lt;/b&gt; (a cost-saving public option), which Baucus is instead clearly actually &lt;b&gt;attempting to prevent&lt;/b&gt; by trying to keep it out of a final bill.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus, &lt;b&gt;Baucus just helped a bipartisan public-option filibuster &lt;i&gt;to succeed&lt;/i&gt; - &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; it even began&lt;/b&gt; - by, he hopes (and expects), obviating the need for Senators to launch an actual on-the-record filibuster against that provision, on the Senate floor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Further exposing the deceit in Baucus’s claimed 60-votes-for-cloture objective is the fact that the preemptively-successful bipartisan filibuster of the public option, that Baucus just ensured his committee supported, will simply be substituted for with different filibusters, &lt;b&gt;using the excuse of other provisions of the merged Senate bill.&lt;/b&gt; Because, as has become too obvious for words, the sole purpose of Congressional Republicans at this point is to &lt;b&gt;prevent&lt;/b&gt; a final vote on &lt;b&gt;any&lt;/b&gt; health insurance reform legislation for which a Democratic President (or Party) could claim credit, &lt;i&gt;regardless&lt;/i&gt; of its content. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So Baucus, to use selise’s word, just tried to &lt;b&gt;protect&lt;/b&gt; every Republican, and particularly every wayward Democrat, who would be exposed and held accountable &lt;b&gt;on the public record&lt;/b&gt; for their support of filibusters aimed at preventing the Senate from moving health insurance legislation &lt;b&gt;containing a public option&lt;/b&gt;, at least - first to the floor for debate, after months of committee work, and then, after ample floor debate and amendment, to a final simple majority vote, without the reconciliation process.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All this while Baucus continues to &lt;i&gt;profess&lt;/i&gt; to be in favor of a critical cost-cutting public insurance option which he, however, voted against (acting on the courage of your convictions is for other, lesser beings); the failure of which will likely not convince &lt;b&gt;one&lt;/b&gt; Republican vote to change to support moving the question/ending the guaranteed filibuster-to-come on this legislation, &lt;i&gt;regardless of its final content&lt;/i&gt;.  As a result, &lt;b&gt;those Democrats who oppose what Baucus (like Obama) &lt;i&gt;claims&lt;/i&gt; to support, &lt;i&gt;if Reid follows the lead of Baucus&lt;/i&gt;, may avoid acccountability&lt;/b&gt; for their opposition to even a figurehead public option - accountability that Lincoln and Conrad were unable to avoid in committee thanks to Rockefeller and Schumer, despite the best efforts of Baucus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Considering that Baucus has been successfully lying to the American public for months, with impunity, he obviously assumes that he can keep right on doing it, penalty-free, with the full (&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;backroom&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;) support of Harry Reid and Barack Obama, aided by the helpful obfuscation of conglomerate profit-dedicated corporate media subsidiaries, and their obedient employees.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If Harry Reid, et al, don’t force a cloture vote so the public can see who votes with the GOP, that means the party leadership <b>want to protect</b> those who would vote against cloture from citizen action.</p>
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<p>Absolutely bang-on, selise &#8211; your point and Jane’s, both.  </p>
<p>Baucus’s transparently <b>bad faith</b> excuse for keeping a public option out of the Senate Finance Committee bill (which has been his unstated objective <i>for months</i> now) is called a self-fulfilling prophecy.</p>
<p>What Max Baucus just explicitly did with his <b>No!</b> votes on the public option amendments, and with his accompanying incredible explanations for those votes, mirrors what he’s been doing for Obama, the Emanuel Brothers, fellow corporatist Democrats, and private industry throughout this fraudulent process: <b>Baucus today deliberately <i>provided cover</i></b> for those in Congress and the White House <b>opposed to what Baucus <i>professes</i> to support</b> (a cost-saving public option), which Baucus is instead clearly actually <b>attempting to prevent</b> by trying to keep it out of a final bill.  </p>
<p>Thus, <b>Baucus just helped a bipartisan public-option filibuster <i>to succeed</i> &#8211; <i>before</i> it even began</b> &#8211; by, he hopes (and expects), obviating the need for Senators to launch an actual on-the-record filibuster against that provision, on the Senate floor.</p>
<p>Further exposing the deceit in Baucus’s claimed 60-votes-for-cloture objective is the fact that the preemptively-successful bipartisan filibuster of the public option, that Baucus just ensured his committee supported, will simply be substituted for with different filibusters, <b>using the excuse of other provisions of the merged Senate bill.</b> Because, as has become too obvious for words, the sole purpose of Congressional Republicans at this point is to <b>prevent</b> a final vote on <b>any</b> health insurance reform legislation for which a Democratic President (or Party) could claim credit, <i>regardless</i> of its content. </p>
<p>So Baucus, to use selise’s word, just tried to <b>protect</b> every Republican, and particularly every wayward Democrat, who would be exposed and held accountable <b>on the public record</b> for their support of filibusters aimed at preventing the Senate from moving health insurance legislation <b>containing a public option</b>, at least &#8211; first to the floor for debate, after months of committee work, and then, after ample floor debate and amendment, to a final simple majority vote, without the reconciliation process.  </p>
<p>All this while Baucus continues to <i>profess</i> to be in favor of a critical cost-cutting public insurance option which he, however, voted against (acting on the courage of your convictions is for other, lesser beings); the failure of which will likely not convince <b>one</b> Republican vote to change to support moving the question/ending the guaranteed filibuster-to-come on this legislation, <i>regardless of its final content</i>.  As a result, <b>those Democrats who oppose what Baucus (like Obama) <i>claims</i> to support, <i>if Reid follows the lead of Baucus</i>, may avoid acccountability</b> for their opposition to even a figurehead public option &#8211; accountability that Lincoln and Conrad were unable to avoid in committee thanks to Rockefeller and Schumer, despite the best efforts of Baucus.</p>
<p>Considering that Baucus has been successfully lying to the American public for months, with impunity, he obviously assumes that he can keep right on doing it, penalty-free, with the full (<b><i>backroom</i></b>) support of Harry Reid and Barack Obama, aided by the helpful obfuscation of conglomerate profit-dedicated corporate media subsidiaries, and their obedient employees.</p>
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