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	<title>Comments on: Rockefeller&#8217;s Robust Public Option Amendment Fails, 8 &#8211; 15</title>
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		<title>By: NAVDOC3rdMAR</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/rockefellers-robust-public-option-amendment-fails-8-15/#comment-49390</link>
		<dc:creator>NAVDOC3rdMAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Criminally corrupt politicians are the reason the U.S. is ranked near the bottom of every catagory when ranked next to other modern, industrialized nations. Time for publically funded elections. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,&lt;br /&gt;lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,&lt;br /&gt;conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M, boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K&lt;br /&gt;were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.&lt;br /&gt;(Source: OpenSecrets.org)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Co-Author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler of a Recent Harvard Study on Annual Deaths of America’s Uninsured, says the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States. The only way to affordably cover all Americans is through a Medicare-for-All, Single-Payer System. A Single-Payer System would generate $300-$400 billion in administrative savings annually, enough to cover all of the uninsured, and to plug the gaps in coverage for Americans with only partial coverage. Obviously, Medicare-for-all is anathema to the insurance industry. What politicians are doing is saving insurance industry profits, by sacrificing American lives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;12 Million Americans were denied health care coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a pre-existing medical condition. 12K Americans are denied insurance coverage everyday by a for-profit Insurance bureaucrat. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Medical malpractice lawsuits are a hot topic but, are they? Tort Reform is such a “Red Herring” and is easily disproved.  A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office said medical malpractice makes up only 2 percent of U.S. health spending. Even “significant reductions” would do little to curb health-care expenses, it concluded. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;bush(43) economic speech writer david frum, at least, is willing to admit the idea about selling insurance across state lines is a crock: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;New Jersey health policies cost more in large part because New Jersey hospitals and doctors charge more. If I buy a cheaper Kentucky policy that reimburses my providers at Kentucky rates, leaving me to pay the balance, how much good does that do me? And if the Kentucky policy is made to pay New Jersey rates, there vanishes my low Kentucky price.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are some of the easily refuted arguments bought and paid for by the Medical Industrial Complex to derail any chance of their criminally massive profits being reduced.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Follow the Money: &lt;a href=&quot;http://hmc-lavadogs.livejournal.com/20128.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Call Congress and demand, Single-Payer Health Care for All!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Toll Free # House and Senate)&lt;br /&gt;1-866-338-1015 _____ 1-866-220-0044&lt;br /&gt;1-800-473-6711 _____ 1-866-311-3405&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sign Single-Payer Petition: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.singlepayeraction.org/join.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don’t let the Medical Industrial Complex steal your Health Care from you and your family by donating huge sums of money to Crooked Politicians in order to maintain the Status Quo. Keep up the good fight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SEMPER FI!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminally corrupt politicians are the reason the U.S. is ranked near the bottom of every catagory when ranked next to other modern, industrialized nations. Time for publically funded elections. </p>
<p>The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.</p>
<p>mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,<br />lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,<br />conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M, boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K<br />were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.<br />(Source: OpenSecrets.org)</p>
<p>Co-Author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler of a Recent Harvard Study on Annual Deaths of America’s Uninsured, says the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States. The only way to affordably cover all Americans is through a Medicare-for-All, Single-Payer System. A Single-Payer System would generate $300-$400 billion in administrative savings annually, enough to cover all of the uninsured, and to plug the gaps in coverage for Americans with only partial coverage. Obviously, Medicare-for-all is anathema to the insurance industry. What politicians are doing is saving insurance industry profits, by sacrificing American lives.</p>
<p>12 Million Americans were denied health care coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a pre-existing medical condition. 12K Americans are denied insurance coverage everyday by a for-profit Insurance bureaucrat. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren) </p>
<p>Medical malpractice lawsuits are a hot topic but, are they? Tort Reform is such a “Red Herring” and is easily disproved.  A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office said medical malpractice makes up only 2 percent of U.S. health spending. Even “significant reductions” would do little to curb health-care expenses, it concluded. </p>
<p>bush(43) economic speech writer david frum, at least, is willing to admit the idea about selling insurance across state lines is a crock: </p>
<p>New Jersey health policies cost more in large part because New Jersey hospitals and doctors charge more. If I buy a cheaper Kentucky policy that reimburses my providers at Kentucky rates, leaving me to pay the balance, how much good does that do me? And if the Kentucky policy is made to pay New Jersey rates, there vanishes my low Kentucky price.</p>
<p>These are some of the easily refuted arguments bought and paid for by the Medical Industrial Complex to derail any chance of their criminally massive profits being reduced.</p>
<p>Follow the Money: <a href="http://hmc-lavadogs.livejournal.com/20128.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Call Congress and demand, Single-Payer Health Care for All!</p>
<p>(Toll Free # House and Senate)<br />1-866-338-1015 _____ 1-866-220-0044<br />1-800-473-6711 _____ 1-866-311-3405</p>
<p>Sign Single-Payer Petition: <a href="http://www.singlepayeraction.org/join.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Don’t let the Medical Industrial Complex steal your Health Care from you and your family by donating huge sums of money to Crooked Politicians in order to maintain the Status Quo. Keep up the good fight.</p>
<p>SEMPER FI!</p>
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		<title>By: stritz44</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/rockefellers-robust-public-option-amendment-fails-8-15/#comment-49250</link>
		<dc:creator>stritz44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The majority of the american people do not want the Gov’t taking over 1/6 of the economy..Hell they can’t even run the USPS or AMTRACK…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of the american people do not want the Gov’t taking over 1/6 of the economy..Hell they can’t even run the USPS or AMTRACK…</p>
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		<title>By: gamd521</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/rockefellers-robust-public-option-amendment-fails-8-15/#comment-49246</link>
		<dc:creator>gamd521</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The canard that is propagated inspite of all evidence to the contrary is that there is a deep seated social bias against a government managed health insurance plan. Even the most fleeting assessment of public sentiment reveals that: roughly 75% of people and physicians prefer a PO; that 84% of beneficiaries like Medicare and Social Security and the VA.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In contrast, the vast majority of people loath the abuses that spring from unfettered free makets: financial system; private health insurers; corrupt corporations like Enron and others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So there is absolutely no evidence that people hate the idea of government run enterprises and many use them every day while taking them for granted like: the postal service school systems, courts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lastly, the very notion of insurance is based on collective effort because it requires that people collectively contribute to a pool from which they then draw funds to meet an expense which they can not aford to make alone.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The canard that is propagated inspite of all evidence to the contrary is that there is a deep seated social bias against a government managed health insurance plan. Even the most fleeting assessment of public sentiment reveals that: roughly 75% of people and physicians prefer a PO; that 84% of beneficiaries like Medicare and Social Security and the VA.</p>
<p>In contrast, the vast majority of people loath the abuses that spring from unfettered free makets: financial system; private health insurers; corrupt corporations like Enron and others.</p>
<p>So there is absolutely no evidence that people hate the idea of government run enterprises and many use them every day while taking them for granted like: the postal service school systems, courts.</p>
<p>Lastly, the very notion of insurance is based on collective effort because it requires that people collectively contribute to a pool from which they then draw funds to meet an expense which they can not aford to make alone.</p>
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		<title>By: gamd521</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/rockefellers-robust-public-option-amendment-fails-8-15/#comment-49229</link>
		<dc:creator>gamd521</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One point that needs to be made to rebut the claim that Republicans and others contiuously make, namely that health insurers somehow determine the way health care is delivered. For example they rail against the fear that a single payer system will give rise to socialized medicine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well of course insurers of any stripe, be it single-puplic or private have nothing to do with how health care is delivered much less determining it. Insurers pay for the delivered health care that is provided by doctors, nurses and others, and to do so they use the funds that people pay as premiums. They do nothing else. Private insurers keep a portion of that payment for themselves whereas public insurers do not. That is the long and short of it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Further, competition in the making of this payment does not enter into this type of transaction. Either you prefer to give away to someone a portion of your funds when paying for the care you receive, or you do not. The very idea of competing for who you give more of your funds to is absurd.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point that needs to be made to rebut the claim that Republicans and others contiuously make, namely that health insurers somehow determine the way health care is delivered. For example they rail against the fear that a single payer system will give rise to socialized medicine.</p>
<p>Well of course insurers of any stripe, be it single-puplic or private have nothing to do with how health care is delivered much less determining it. Insurers pay for the delivered health care that is provided by doctors, nurses and others, and to do so they use the funds that people pay as premiums. They do nothing else. Private insurers keep a portion of that payment for themselves whereas public insurers do not. That is the long and short of it.</p>
<p>Further, competition in the making of this payment does not enter into this type of transaction. Either you prefer to give away to someone a portion of your funds when paying for the care you receive, or you do not. The very idea of competing for who you give more of your funds to is absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: tmullins</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/rockefellers-robust-public-option-amendment-fails-8-15/#comment-49206</link>
		<dc:creator>tmullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you live in Tennessee or Virginia, this is what is deemed, defended and supported as “the acceptable standards of your health care”.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WE MUST HAVE PUBLIC OPTION because the status quo means more denial of care or rationing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you live in Tennessee or Virginia, this is what is deemed, defended and supported as “the acceptable standards of your health care”.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62" rel="nofollow">http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62</a></p>
<p>WE MUST HAVE PUBLIC OPTION because the status quo means more denial of care or rationing.</p>
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		<title>By: gamd521</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/rockefellers-robust-public-option-amendment-fails-8-15/#comment-49178</link>
		<dc:creator>gamd521</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The argument for the public option is really straightforward and was needlessly tortured by those opposing it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First the PO would be immediately viable because there are currently millions that are uninsured, including those that could pay for reasonably priced premiums. Granted the population which the PO plan would insure would be more expensive to cover than those which the private insurers cover because they would generally be sicker. That is because they would mainly be those people which private insurers excluded because they were too expensive to cover. Even with this disadvantage, the PO would be able to offer affordable rates, enough so to sustain the plan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the PO were allowed to bargain down prescription drug prices and to fully reimburse only best paractice treatment, including preventative measures, then health costs could be held to affordable levels and with lower premiums. If people then flock to this plan then all the better.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Senators who opposed the plan specifically Lincoln, Carter, Conrad and Baucus should be voted out and replaced by people that want the PO. Every effort should be expended to this end, including funding alternative candidates, opposing ads and applying relentless pressure with calls and emails.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These senators must be made to feel the pressure and to know that by declaring their position in opposition to the majority of people’s wishes they have crossed the Rubicon. They will be voted out. This is the only way we have left to advocate for a plan that is crucial and in our best interest.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument for the public option is really straightforward and was needlessly tortured by those opposing it.</p>
<p>First the PO would be immediately viable because there are currently millions that are uninsured, including those that could pay for reasonably priced premiums. Granted the population which the PO plan would insure would be more expensive to cover than those which the private insurers cover because they would generally be sicker. That is because they would mainly be those people which private insurers excluded because they were too expensive to cover. Even with this disadvantage, the PO would be able to offer affordable rates, enough so to sustain the plan.</p>
<p>If the PO were allowed to bargain down prescription drug prices and to fully reimburse only best paractice treatment, including preventative measures, then health costs could be held to affordable levels and with lower premiums. If people then flock to this plan then all the better.</p>
<p>The Senators who opposed the plan specifically Lincoln, Carter, Conrad and Baucus should be voted out and replaced by people that want the PO. Every effort should be expended to this end, including funding alternative candidates, opposing ads and applying relentless pressure with calls and emails.</p>
<p>These senators must be made to feel the pressure and to know that by declaring their position in opposition to the majority of people’s wishes they have crossed the Rubicon. They will be voted out. This is the only way we have left to advocate for a plan that is crucial and in our best interest.</p>
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		<title>By: amghru</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/rockefellers-robust-public-option-amendment-fails-8-15/#comment-49143</link>
		<dc:creator>amghru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And a big AMEN to that&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a big AMEN to that</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/rockefellers-robust-public-option-amendment-fails-8-15/#comment-49109</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lincoln got a chairmanship and still votes “No”. Encroyable.&lt;br /&gt;
What does she want?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Will removing mandates make it easier on WalMart, er Lincoln?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincoln got a chairmanship and still votes “No”. Encroyable.<br />
What does she want?</p>
<p>Will removing mandates make it easier on WalMart, er Lincoln?</p>
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		<title>By: bobpine</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/rockefellers-robust-public-option-amendment-fails-8-15/#comment-49049</link>
		<dc:creator>bobpine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Disgusted with the whole thing,from this “BS” vote to the unbridled words that are coming out of the mouths and print from the right wing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Beck calls the president a racist and gets on time magazine cover.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the media is”LIBERAL”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please.&lt;br /&gt;
The democrats have “NO SPINE”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disgusted with the whole thing,from this “BS” vote to the unbridled words that are coming out of the mouths and print from the right wing.</p>
<p>Beck calls the president a racist and gets on time magazine cover.</p>
<p>And the media is”LIBERAL”?</p>
<p>Please.<br />
The democrats have “NO SPINE”.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe2</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/rockefellers-robust-public-option-amendment-fails-8-15/#comment-49044</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluetoe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another tragedy caused by the U.S. “healthcare system.”  It really is criminal.  The French aristocracy got away with exploiting the emerging middle class and the poor until one day they found themselves walking up the steps of the guillotine.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another tragedy caused by the U.S. “healthcare system.”  It really is criminal.  The French aristocracy got away with exploiting the emerging middle class and the poor until one day they found themselves walking up the steps of the guillotine.</p>
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