The fact that a Blue Dog has supported a public option in the past does not mean that they will support one now — their principles tend to be lobbyist-flexible. But Nate Silver’s number crunching indicates that most of those who have done so in the past probably have majority support for a public option in their districts, so come 2010, they will have some explaining to do about why they flip-flopped. That’s particularly true for those in California like Thompson and Schiff, who have significant Democratic majorities in their districts.
The list was primarily culled from the 20 Blue Dogs who signed on to the HCAN statement of principles, which endorses "a public insurance plan without a private insurer middleman that guarantees affordable coverage." It also advocated "using the public’s purchasing power to instill greater reliance on evidence-based protocols and lower drug and device prices" — the very opposite of co-ops.
I also included those who signed the July 22 letter to Steny Hoyer stressing the importance of having a strong public option, one that is tied to "an established provider network, like Medicare" (PDF). I added those who voted for H.R. 3200 already as a member of one of the three committees that drafted it, and those who have made statements of support in the media for a public option.
The following is a list of Blue Dogs who have expressed support for a public option (with Nate Silver’s estimate of district support/opposition in parenthesis, for which actual polling data by DailyKos/Research 2000 has been substituted where applicable):
1. Jason Altmire: (35-53)
- Signed HCAN principles
- July 17: Voted "no" as a member of the Health & Labor Committee against 3200 because of wealth surtax.
- September 11: "I – I’m speaking for myself, I think that the public option may, if it’s done correctly may be a part of the package and could play a role. As Congresswoman Woolsey described, it would have to airtight, completely self-sustaining, not funded through taxpayer subsidies, and have to meet all the same insurance regulations. So, I don’t think that is the sticking point for the Blue Dogs and the moderate members. I think what we are most concerned about is we have to do this in a fiscally responsible way."
- September 22: "Altmire’s chief complaint about his own chamber’s bill was the inclusion of a surtax on the wealthy. But he said he didn’t expect that provision to make it through, and he signaled that excluding it would allow him to vote for the final bill."
2. Mike Arcuri: (53-38)
- Signed HCAN principles
- September 2 he said: "I personally think it is absolutely necessary that we have health care reform. The present system is unsustainable. And I happen to support a public option."
3. Joe Baca: (77-19)
- Signed HCAN principles
- July 8: Signed letter to Steny Hoyer stressing the importance of having a strong public option, one that is tied to "an established provider network, like Medicare"
4. Marion Berry: (48-42)
- Signed HCAN principles
5. Sanford Bishop: (75-21)
- Signed HCAN principles
6. Leonard Boswell: (52-38)
- Signed HCAN principles
- July 8: Signed letter to Steny Hoyer stressing the importance of having a strong public option, one that is tied to "an established provider network, like Medicare."
- September 7: “My sense, as I have traveled this district, that the support for a public option is up. … I think there’s a need for the public option. Will there be something else offered up that I don’t know about that might be usable? I don’t know. At this point, I don’t know what it would be.”
- September 13: Democratic U.S. Rep. Leonard Boswell, a member of the conservative Blue Dog caucus, received praise from his colleagues for standing up in a Democratic caucus meeting to declare his support for a public health insurance option. Other Blue Dogs have been reluctant to sign on to that component of President Barack Obama’s proposal.
7. Chris Carney: (43-46)
- Signed HCAN principles
- August 25: "A public option is something that may get us what we really want,"
8. Henry Cuellar (53-40)
- August 11: “I support the public option plan. It does not mandate anything. It just gives you an option. There is still a role for the insurance industry. The public option is not going to take over,” said Cuellar.
He does not, however, support H.R. 3200 "as written."
9. Kathy Dahlkemper: (53-38)
- July 26: I support reform that creates competition through a strong public option that lowers everyone’s costs and competes with private insurers
- September 4: "Dahlkemper told the audience she favors a public option, allowing a government insurance program to compete with private companies."
10. Gabby Giffords: (43-46)
- July 26: "I support reform that creates competition through a strong public option that lowers everyone’s costs and competes with private insurers."
11. Bart Gordon: (37-51)
- August 1: Voted "yes" on H.R. 3200 without reimbursement rates tied to Medicare as part of the Energy & Commerce Committee.
12. Jane Harman: (68-26)
- Signed HCAN principles
- July 8: Signed letter to Steny Hoyer stressing the importance of having a strong public option, one that is tied to "an established provider network, like Medicare."
- July 10: “I’m for a robust public option and I filled out my survey to say I was,” Harman told the Huffington Post.
- August 1: Voted "yes" on H.R. 3200 without reimbursement rates tied to Medicare as part of the Energy & Commerce Committee.
- Told Mike Stark she would vote against any health care bill that does not have a robust public option (video).
13. Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin: (46-43)
- Signed HCAN principles
14. Baron Hill: (52-39)
- August 1: Voted "yes" on H.R. 3200 without reimbursement rates tied to Medicare as part of the Energy & Commerce Committee.
15. Tim Holden: (43-46)
- Signed HCAN principles
16. Frank Kratovil: (29-59)
- Signed HCAN principles
17.. Mike Michaud: (63-30)
- July 8: Signed letter to Steny Hoyer stressing the importance of having a strong public option, one that is tied to "an established provider network, like Medicare"
- July 31: “In my view, the House bill that we are ultimately asked to vote on must have a public option for me to support it. I have strongly urged House leadership to work to keep it in the final package. I am hopeful that it will be included, especially given that all three House committees have supported the idea of a public option.
- September 24: Democratic 2nd District Rep. Mike Michaud “strongly supports health care reform,” said Michaud spokesperson Ed Gilman. “He supports a public option. The question that remains to be answered is what the final bill will look like that we’re asked to vote on. And the congressman wants to see a final bill before he makes his final decision, obviously, because he wants to see how that bill would affect the state of Maine and Mainers in general.”
18. Patrick Murphy: (44-45)
- July 9: Rep. Patrick Murphy (Penn.) still backs a public plan without a trigger, said his spokeswoman Kate Hansen. "Congressman Murphy stands with President Obama in supporting the inclusion of a public option without a trigger in healthcare reform legislation, and believes it would be a good way to introduce transparency, competition, and cost-control into the insurance market," she said.
- July 10: Per Ryan Grim, supports a public option without a trigger and does not sign on to the July 8 Blue Dog "statement of principles."
- Told Mike Stark he supports a public option (video)
19. John Salazar: (49-21)
- July 19: "There is considerable talk about including some kind of public option to compete with the private plans. I think a public component may very well be necessary as part of any real health care reform."
- September 10: "I will support a public option if that is included in the final bill before Congress."
20. Loretta Sanchez: (68-26)
- July 10: “I am one of those people who believes that we should be required to have a public option because it will bring the costs of health care down.”
- Signed HCAN principles
21. Adam Schiff: (72-23)
- Signed HCAN principles
- July 8: Signed letter to Steny Hoyer stressing the importance of having a strong public option, one that is tied to "an established provider network, like Medicare"
- From his website: "Rep. Schiff believes that a public program option should be made available to all, providing a greater choice to families and much needed competition with private insurers.
The new public health insurance option’s ability to negotiate for lower prices could provide great incentive for private insurers to lower their administrative spending and use more healthcare dollars to provide actual healthcare. Projected numbers peg healthcare cost savings from the advent of a public option by about $2 trillion over eleven years."
22. Zack Space: (49-41)
- August 1: Voted "yes" on H.R. 3200 without reimbursement rates tied to Medicare as part of the Energy & Commerce Committee.
- Signed HCAN principles
23. Mike Thompson: (75-20)
- Signed HCAN principles
- Jul7 17: Voted "yes" on H.R. 3200 with reimbursement rates tied to Medicare as part of the Ways & Means Committee.
- September 3: "Another key factor in suppressing costs, Thompson said, is introducing a public option to compete with private insurance companies, which will drive costs down. Thompson said plainly that he supports the public option, and that he doesn’t imagine it is possible that any bill will pass the House without one."
24. Charlie Wilson: (57-35)
- Signed HCAN principles
That makes 24 Blue Dogs who have said that they support a public option. A far cry from the "dozen" that Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin claims now support one.
It’s worth nothing that the reason Herseth-Sandlin gives for the Blue Dog lack of support is "cost. But given the fact that their "changes" to H.R. 3200 that help PhRMA and raise Medicare reimbursement rates add $148 billion to the cost of the bill, it’s hard to take them seriously.
I didn’t add Jim Cooper and Mike Ross, who signed the HCAN principles but who have been so inconsistent in their positions it’s hard to say they stand for anything. I also didn’t include Earl Pomeroy, who told me he was for a public option, just not one tied to Medicare reimbursement rates. Because, quite frankly, I just didn’t find it to be a credible claim.
Those who should be on the list but aren’t: Dennis Cardoza (73-20), John Tanner (56-35), Alan Boyd (52-38), John Barrow (51-41) , Joe Donnelly (56-35) and Heath Shuler (51-39), who all quite likely have majority district support for a public option. Many others have plurality district support. Because come 2010, they will all have to explain it to their constituents.
If Herseth-Sandlin wants to stick by her "dozen" claim, she needs to produce the list of 12 who have changed their position.
Many thanks to the researchers who worked tirelessly to help compile this information: Amy, Kate, Jim, Pat, Jon Walker and Scarecrow.
See also: A Brief History of the Blue Dogs and a Public Option





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great list, thanks Jane
I note that Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin is inlcuded. What is her current position.
My comment to the CNN ticker story “Baucus targeted by liberal groups in new ad” just posted.
http://politicalticker.blogs.c…..in-new-ad/
per Nate Silver’s reckoning,, John Barrow’s district favors PO 69% to 25% opposed – no wonder he was whining so loud last week
I am surprised to see Chris Carney on this list of “supporters’ isn’t he Count Rahmula’s Renfield ?
ok, now I see these are the folks who signed on to HCAN
Thank you, Jane and gang.
Aren’t those Congresscritters cute? They just shy away from the light whenever someone shines it on them, as if their natural habitat were in caves and shadows.
If the blue dogs have election worries then lets press them I would like us to push them to take a pledge no corporate welfare jobs particularly in healthcare for ten years after they leave office. I want them on camera waffling when confronted.
I sense a bat motif emerging. There’s still some baseball left, I suppose.
Great job, Jane. Keep after them. What more should Firedogs do?
More like cockroach than bat
As in, turn on the lights & watch ‘em scatter…
Jane
his is a kickass bit of research–this is real inveztigative reporting.
Let’s hope others pick it up and run with it.
Jane… where do you put Ben Ray Lujan on this list?
He is definitely not a blue dog, and co-sponsored HR 676, but as Mike Stark confirmed on the steps of the Capitol… he would not commit to PO or Bust…
Where do folks like him register? In limbo land?
His district (Santa Fe centered) is DEFINITELY pro-PO… and for a much stronger one than is in HR 3200.
Thanks, Jane. I don’t know where you find your energy, but a huge thanks.
Jane,
In the eyes of the swing voter, 2010 is a million years away. Swing voters probably put these guys in office. Holding them accountable a year from now will be difficult for an A.D.D laden public.
Republicans and Lobbyist have done a thorough job of painting Healthcare reform ugly and Democrats don’t have the PR infrastructure (or discipline to counter it). I think we need a Luntz-of-the-Left to strategize along with a Beck-of-the-Left for tactics in order to reclaim Healthcare as well as future issues.
According to today’s New York Times at http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09…..1&hpw , Majority Leader Harry Reid has already decided that tomorrow’s votes on the public option in the Senate Finance Committee are academic. BECAUSE HE’S ALREADY DECIDED THE PUBLIC OPTION WON’T BE IN THE SENATE BILL!!!! To quote:
“To appeal to Ms. Snowe, as well as to centrist Democrats like Senators Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Mary L. Landrieu of Louisiana, the combined bill would not include a proposal for a government-run insurance plan, or public option, despite the clamoring of liberals who support it, senior Democratic Senate aides said.”
This is outrageous. Harry Reid is saying “screw you” to the states of Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Washington and West Virginia, all of whom have senators on the Senate Finance Committee who support the public option and plan to offer amendments to that effect TOMORROW in committee.
Just what exactly are we, chopped liver????
I come from one of those states, New York, and I would like to know whether it’s true that I’m being disenfranchised by Harry Reid. I’m calling him right now.
And if you come from any of those states I strongly advise you to also call. Harry Reid owes all of us a clarification stating that the Times has this WRONG and that he will make no such decision until debate and votes in the Senate Finance Committee have ENDED!
And the Blew Dogs feel primary-proof why exactly? Could it be all the insurance industry cash in their coffers?
73 to 22% in NM 03. he’s not on the list because these are Blue Dogs and we are trying to determine a count – against their Co Chair’s claim of “less than a dozen” in favor of PO
Plus Lobbyists and Corporate Board jobs after they retire.
Maybe there is a political dynamic at work whereby Democrats in Congress are beginning to realize that they can’t afford to watch Obama suffer a major political defeat on healthcare, because it impacts their political fortunes as well. If Obama can’t get a good bill passed, all Democrats are going to suffer in the November 2010 mid-terms, so they should get with the program.
The Times is probably not wrong but if we raise enough fuss we can change his mind. Or Obama can.
his office has already slapped that down
don’t know if it was a true clusterfuck or what Jane refers to as working the yo-yo
If in fact this becomes Reid’s position, selling out the Democratic party (and Progressive in particular), then fuck him and his Nevada seat in Congress. He’s no more a reliable vote for any Progressive cause than James Inhofe or Tom Coburn.
It must take a combination of a special kind of crazy, arrogance and hubris for Reid to believe that anyone is not going to not only see through his corporatist ties, but his angling for a well-funded life-after-Congressional existence.
I’m personally sick to death of Reid and all his whining, spineless bullshit. If you’re a Reid staffer reading this, know that no one will feel sorry for your boss if he’s unemployed after the next election, either as a Senator or if he survives a general election somehow, as the Majority “Leader”.
I’m assuming “swing-voter” equates to those not registered with either major party. In my experience those who label themselves as Independent or some other variety of third party pay more attention to what’s happening than those who maintain their loyalty to one of the wings of the country’s main party.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Slapped that down??? When? Where? How? You can’t just make that claim and walk away, you know. Where’s your evidence??????
I’d be real relieved if you are right, but you sure don’t make it easy to believe you. Can you substantiate your claim, please? Thank you.
Ummm… except he’s doing the bidding of Obama… see Jane’s many previous posts re the WH ditching the PO earlier in the summer.
Here ya go :D
let’s not forget the hundreds of phone calls Reid and Rahm made to move the Baucus bill
You know, what I wonder about is this willingness to bow to the 60-vote hostage-taking of the Filibuster. If Obama can’t strong-arm the Senate Democrats into voting against a Filibuster, then he’s no better a leader than Reid. Surely the Oval Office can put the hurt on any Democratic Senator who does not play ball, especially those who are in upcoming tough reelection fights and who need the visibility of a popular President at their side.
Not to mention their ever getting anything done again on behalf of their states… where is the discipline on behalf of not only the party but the 80% of the American people who want this reform? Not to mention, a vote against this on behalf of the insurance industry will put them solidly on the wrong side of history, and no matter how many other “good works” they do (or have done), this one will be remembered as their sell-out.
Dennis Moore of Kansas is in favor of the public option according to his Web site
http://www.moore.house.gov/Res…..eGoals.pdf
and has a link to the July 8 Hoyer letter. He doesn’t outright say he signed it, but that’s the implication. Anyone know more on Moore?
60 vote filibuster proof Senate:
58 Dems + 1 Social Democrat (Sanders) + 1 Short Ride = 59
Mush. Seems the O administration is filled with mush. Compromised mush. We will get nothing of what is needed. Then they will give more of our tax dollars out to the banksters. There is nothing left to steal in the country but tax money and our health.
And we know what happens to Short Ride when he gets all sulky.
Careful of that argument: It’s a parallel version of the “Congress (as illicit Parliament) must pass any bill at all costs to save the (Democratic) President’s popularity and power” (and therefore your Congressional job) argument which is going to come down like a ton of bricks on the heads of Democratic Party members in Congress who balk at voting for a final public-option-free health insurance reform bill. “Good” in that scenario will be defined (behind closed doors) as good for Obama (and Democratic incumbents) personally, not, as you assume and as we all understand, as good for the nation as a whole.
We may soon be all-too-familiar with that specious and destructive argument, made particularly to the House Progessive Caucus, in which the first concern of our federal Congress is supposed to be the Party (which includes keeping the Party’s corporate funders happy), the second concern of the Congress is supposed to be the poll numbers, reputation and “wins” of the President, and only after those self-serving powers have been satisfied, will the duty of honoring representative democracy, exercising independent thinking, and serving the best interests of the American people be considered legitimate concerns of our federal representatives, as to whatever crumbs of the legislation remain to be modified without upsetting the self-serving demands of the Party and President.
“If the enemy is to be coerced, you must put him in a situation that is even more unpleasant than the sacrifice you call on him to make. Otherwise, the enemy would not give in, but would wait for things to improve.”
- Field Marshal Karl Von Clausewitz
The discipline is there, Jo – see Teddy’s diary last night excerpting from the New York Times about the White House bird-dogging of Members of Congress, with the President’s repeated personal intervention.
It’s not Party/Presidential discipline that’s missing, it’s the objectives which that discipline is pursuing – out of public view, away from public accountability – to which you (and we) are reacting.
Don’t fall for the “bipartisanship”/”filibuster-proof” cover story that Obama, Reid and Baucus have been peddling for months.
The White House has been working assiduously all year – if mostly out of public view – on getting exactly what it wants regardless of the desires of Congress as a whole, using every cynical tool the Emanuel Brothers and others can find. Harry Reid and Max Baucus have been the primary enablers in Congress of that White House effort, as cbl2’s link helps expose, even to the extent of subverting the Constitutional role of Congress and its key committees, to unquestioningly assist Executive Branch power plays.
Thank you very much for your speedy response.
And much kudos to Greg Sargent at http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/ for having followed up on this so expeditiously and efficiently.
And I am very relieved that Reid’s office has now made clear that any implication in the Times story to the effect that Reid has killed the public option is not correct.
I’m so glad there are so many of us keeping our eyes on the ball here. I guess that need never disappears!
That’s Change I Can’t Believe In.
Obama will go down in 2012 because he’ll have been proved to be the second biggest liar to ever occupy the Oval Office, right behind Preznit Bunnypants.
The signage of Obama as whatever from Teabagger rallies is utterly incorrect… Obama as ATM machine is far more accurate.
I wondered how long it would take Blue Dogs to realize that they had better worry more about the Democrats in their districts than the Republican bullshit campaign. Most states and districts in this country are trending blue. Any Blue Dog or Republican that does not acknowledge and heed this fact is risking being turned out of office. Even red ol’ North Carolina went blue last election. If it can happen there, it can happen elsewhere.
Let the Repubs. run as far to the right as they want. It is a strategy to win primaries and lose general elections. It will simply make it more likely that they will be voted out of office next year.
Jane,
It looks as though several of the Blue Dogs listed above have NO excuse to block “a public insurance plan without a private insurer middleman that guarantees affordable coverage,” as expressed in the HCAN statement of principles.
May I suggest again placing ads in newspapers in the districts of those whose constituents are more than 50% in favor of the public option?
Even if an ad ran for just one day in reputable newspapers in a handful of districts represented by Blue Dogs, it would get the attention of other media, and so have wider circulation and SO WILL MAKE AN IMPACT.
If we want the words “come 2010, they will have some explaining to do about why they flip-flopped” to mean anything, we need to get the attention of their constituents, who may not all know that their views and values are being badly represented in Congress, and of Democrats across the country.
Jane,
I am consistently confused as to why my congressman, Rep. Dennis Moore (D-KS), is left off of your lists. He is still a Democrat, still a “Blue Dog”, and still in favor of the public option.
You can go to any of numerous news articles published recently and read his statements on the PO.
If they don’t pass a public option that kicks in right away, by 2010, their health care premiums will have gone up enough (especially if any tighter competition might be on the way — see, banks and credit card rates) that they will remember despite the ADD. Unless we get attacked by terrorists or something, this will be something people will continue to worry about until it is fixed.
CNN’s political ticket posted my second comment to the story “Baucus targeted by liberal groups in new ad”
http://politicalticker.blogs.c…..in-new-ad/
We just have to make sure to retire enough of them every election that there aren’t enough cushy jobs to break their fall.
Well, if Reid nixes the public option, he will also nix his Senate seat next year. There are consequences for being so weak, inept, and spineless. There are consequences for abandoning party principles and what a majority of the American people want to appease President Snowe and the GOP corpocrats in our party. Anyone but Reid 2010.
Just sent Reid an email telling him I’m glad he clarified and if he’s BS’ing us, as I will assume he is if health care w/o PO is passed despite the huge support verified by poll after poll, I will personally drive over to Nevada to canvass for his opponent come election time and will donate the maximum to that opponent’s campaign. I told him that I prefer those who just screw me over to those who screw me over and lie to me about it and I have nothing to lose if he’s gonna screw me over despite the D after his name.
I posted on my blog, because I live near Jason Altmire’s district, to let us know at Doctors for America if you would like a doctor to speak at a meeting or somewhere in your district, let us know and we will do our best to get you hooked up with a real, live, progressive physician advocating for HC reform, anywhere in the country.
Well, of course they supported it way back when…
Back when it looked like the Evil Single Payer Plan would sweep the health care industry into extinction…
Thanks be to God! Just in time to include the Mike Thompson info in my article in the PN News article I’ve been working on for Oct issue. Glad to see his HCAN principle connections. One of district managers said the other day he was still committed, but he wants to see what comes out of the senate process. She mentioned that some FDL folks had been calling and she was impressed by how informed they were. Don’t know what the calls were about.
Thanks so much to all for the research and all the lobbying that’s going on
Blessings
I phoned one of Harry Reid’s offices in Nevada to ask if the NYT report were true. Staffer said that Reid knew what it was to grow up poor in a rural area, without health insurance, and that Reid is definitely for a public option. Staffer made the usual statement about not having 60 Democrats, esp. since Senator Byrd misses a lot of votes. Ended by saying “I live in Mass. and we know mandates. NO mandates!” Don’t know what this is worth.
As I recall, those caves are filled with bat crap.
I see that many have been in touch with Reid over the outrageously contemptous plan of excluding the PO from the merged bill the Senate will propose for a vote.
This guy is the most compromised and ineffective elected official who at once is doing the bidding of Obama, the insurance industry and Pharma. I sent him an email sparing no contempt and also with a direct threat of doing everything to see him voted out should he follow through with this scurrilous plan. Of course that is not an empty threat since with all out funding and effort he certainly can lose his seat.
Self-absorbed eaters — Give them what they want
Millions of Americans like myself avoid refined processed food, and so have excellent health. In over 30 years raised a family of five, and just like millions of like-minded people my doctor bills have been zero.
So why is it that we have a self-absorbed majority, knowing that oily, sugary and greasy stuff is doing harm to their body, simply refuse to resist such temptation? Well they can’t, like immature little children they won’t and what they really want is to force them to be good.
I know it’s silly, everyone wanting to pursue happiness as they perceive it to be, but they would just love for us to force them to be good. Just love for us to be so personal and caring, that we drag them kicking and screaming and give them no choice but to the good. Just love if only fresh fruits and vegetables we allowed them to eat if we would be so sweet.
So I say we give those childish compulsive eaters all the personal attention they deserve. Surely a high tax on all that oily-sugary stuff so they cannot afford to be bad. Most assuredly no medical insurance allowed for them, bankruptcy awaits every stay in the hospital for them, and tough love if there be any enrichment upon our misery by them.
Chuckle! Chuckle! My how we do love to chew on our “selected not elected” politicians. Yes and that’s why all those darling paid actors never read our e-mail