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	<title>Comments on: Baucus, Menendez, and Carper Vote to Defend PhRMA Deal</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/24/baucus-menendez-and-carper-vote-to-defend-phrma-deal/#comment-47735</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What are you saying(?), that we’re all Hondurans now? Heh. Sigh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you saying(?), that we’re all Hondurans now? Heh. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: TexasReader</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/24/baucus-menendez-and-carper-vote-to-defend-phrma-deal/#comment-47733</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasReader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I actually know Bill Nelson and he is a pretty good guy. He is not a real left wing liberal but more of a centrist, that is how he got elected.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At this point it appears to me that the Democrats have learned well from the Republicans how to form a circular firing squad. Both parties have serious credibility problems with the American people. The only thing that they both focus their full attention upon is getting re-elected.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually know Bill Nelson and he is a pretty good guy. He is not a real left wing liberal but more of a centrist, that is how he got elected.</p>
<p>At this point it appears to me that the Democrats have learned well from the Republicans how to form a circular firing squad. Both parties have serious credibility problems with the American people. The only thing that they both focus their full attention upon is getting re-elected.</p>
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		<title>By: roxsteady</title>
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		<dc:creator>roxsteady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I live in NJ and will call Menendez to ask him if he could give me the total amount of money he’s received from PhRMA. I’ll also let him know that I’m going to pass this information to Jane Hamsher so that she can mention it on Rachel Maddow’s show the next time she’s on.  I’ll also call every newspaper in NJ and tell them too!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in NJ and will call Menendez to ask him if he could give me the total amount of money he’s received from PhRMA. I’ll also let him know that I’m going to pass this information to Jane Hamsher so that she can mention it on Rachel Maddow’s show the next time she’s on.  I’ll also call every newspaper in NJ and tell them too!</p>
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		<title>By: bmull</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/24/baucus-menendez-and-carper-vote-to-defend-phrma-deal/#comment-47704</link>
		<dc:creator>bmull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes it was obvious that Kent Conrad (the guy who wants to know what everything costs) and Blanche Lincoln (up for re-election) would have voted to keep the PhRMA deal if their votes were needed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was as sick a display of public corruption as I’ve seen in a long time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it was obvious that Kent Conrad (the guy who wants to know what everything costs) and Blanche Lincoln (up for re-election) would have voted to keep the PhRMA deal if their votes were needed.</p>
<p>It was as sick a display of public corruption as I’ve seen in a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Welcome to a failed state.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to a failed state.</p>
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		<title>By: NCGal</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/24/baucus-menendez-and-carper-vote-to-defend-phrma-deal/#comment-47668</link>
		<dc:creator>NCGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Our govt &amp; media often criticize &amp; look down upon other countries’ “corruption”, as if it is a failing of that country’s people.  We have corruption for which we use euphemisms - donations, campaign finance, corporations’ constitutional rights as “persons”, gifts, lobbying, influence.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The doughnut hole is a serious issue for millions of Americans.  I remember my late father’s worrying about it when he entered the doughnut hole &amp; going over the numbers with him.  After Part D passed, the pharma companies significantly raised the prices of the drugs he was taking.   I would love to see any administration force the pharma companies to sacrifice some profit, or even to get them to stop advertising on tv.  But I won’t hold my breath.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our govt &amp; media often criticize &amp; look down upon other countries’ “corruption”, as if it is a failing of that country’s people.  We have corruption for which we use euphemisms &#8211; donations, campaign finance, corporations’ constitutional rights as “persons”, gifts, lobbying, influence.  </p>
<p>The doughnut hole is a serious issue for millions of Americans.  I remember my late father’s worrying about it when he entered the doughnut hole &amp; going over the numbers with him.  After Part D passed, the pharma companies significantly raised the prices of the drugs he was taking.   I would love to see any administration force the pharma companies to sacrifice some profit, or even to get them to stop advertising on tv.  But I won’t hold my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: dick c</title>
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		<dc:creator>dick c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The best government money can buy!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best government money can buy!</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Europe and BRIC will begin a distancing of their economies from the US if the US does not take steps to insulate the global economy from the risks of the financial casino, and that will end with the dollar losing its role as dominant global exchange and reserve currency.  Then, the financial sector will be stranded, perhaps remaining at 40% of the economy if for no other reason than financialization sucked the capital away from the productive economy while outsourcing the rest.  We’ll need to begin making quality products that people want instead of feeding off of economic fantasy and paying everyday low prices for cheap crap.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Europe and BRIC will begin a distancing of their economies from the US if the US does not take steps to insulate the global economy from the risks of the financial casino, and that will end with the dollar losing its role as dominant global exchange and reserve currency.  Then, the financial sector will be stranded, perhaps remaining at 40% of the economy if for no other reason than financialization sucked the capital away from the productive economy while outsourcing the rest.  We’ll need to begin making quality products that people want instead of feeding off of economic fantasy and paying everyday low prices for cheap crap.</p>
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		<title>By: catchlightning</title>
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		<dc:creator>catchlightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Baucus, Menendez and Carper - the A-holes voting against closing the D-hole.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My guess is they may have been joined by Lincoln and Conrad, who initially “passed”, if the vote looked like it were closer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baucus, Menendez and Carper &#8211; the A-holes voting against closing the D-hole.</p>
<p>My guess is they may have been joined by Lincoln and Conrad, who initially “passed”, if the vote looked like it were closer.</p>
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		<title>By: djfourmoney</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/24/baucus-menendez-and-carper-vote-to-defend-phrma-deal/#comment-47607</link>
		<dc:creator>djfourmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We might have 60 votes but that doesn’t mean we can do whatever we want, clearly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I like how the media trumped this up constantly especially MSNBC which made it seem like hollow ground, while a few print media types tried to keep the rhetoric grounded in reality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Its hopeless, we’ll get watered down reform and be on the hook for the cost. We aren’t marching in the streets because its hard to get excited about a compromise position such as the “Public Option”, “Robust” or “Weak”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I get tired of hearing -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; “Fixing Health Care is complex because its 1/6th of the US Economy”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; John Berwick - Political Correspondent from DW-TV stated that the EU is coming to the G20 summit with both barrels loaded, but seems UK is reluctant to do anything (Sound familiar?). He continued to say that “When the Financial Sector is 40% of the US Economy, who wants to be the one that clips the wings of the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs??”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I’ve try to understand it, I can’t anymore, it just flat makes no sense at all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We might have 60 votes but that doesn’t mean we can do whatever we want, clearly.</p>
<p> I like how the media trumped this up constantly especially MSNBC which made it seem like hollow ground, while a few print media types tried to keep the rhetoric grounded in reality.</p>
<p> Its hopeless, we’ll get watered down reform and be on the hook for the cost. We aren’t marching in the streets because its hard to get excited about a compromise position such as the “Public Option”, “Robust” or “Weak”.</p>
<p> I get tired of hearing -</p>
<p> “Fixing Health Care is complex because its 1/6th of the US Economy”</p>
<p> John Berwick &#8211; Political Correspondent from DW-TV stated that the EU is coming to the G20 summit with both barrels loaded, but seems UK is reluctant to do anything (Sound familiar?). He continued to say that “When the Financial Sector is 40% of the US Economy, who wants to be the one that clips the wings of the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs??”</p>
<p> I’ve try to understand it, I can’t anymore, it just flat makes no sense at all.</p>
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