According to Carper the “golden rule” in Congress is that secret back room deals in exchange for advertising buys must be honored. Carper’s statement below,
I was not involved in negotiations with PhRMA but I believe that the administration was, obviously PhRMA was, and I presume this committee was involved in some way in those negotiations.
And what PhRMA agreed to do through those negotiations is to pay about
80 billion dollars over 10 years to help fill up half the donut hole. That’s my understanding. And they are prepared to go forward and to honor that commitment. As I understand it, the commitment from our colleague Senator Nelson would basically double what was negotiated with PhRMA.And whether you like PhRMA or not — remember I talked earlier today in our opening statements, I talked about four core values, and one of those is the golden rule, treat other people the way I want to be treated?
I’ll tell you — if someone negotiated a deal with me and I agreed to put up say, 80 dollars or 80 million dollars or 80 billion dollars and then you came back and said to me a couple of weeks later — no no, I know you agreed to do 80 billion and I know you were willing to help support through an advertising campaign this particular — not even this particular bill, just the idea of generic health care reform? No, we’re going to double — we’re going to double what you agreed in those negotiations to do. That’s not the way — that’s not what I consider treating people the way I’d want to be treated.
That just doesn’t seem right to me.
Carper was speaking in opposition to an amendment from Sen. Bill Nelson and Sen. Jay Rockefeller. The amendment mirrors what Henry Waxman did in the House to close the Medicare Part D doughnut hole by requiring drug manufactures to provide rebates for the overcharging of dual eligible Medicare/Medicaid recipients. In July, Debbie Halvorson and Heatlh Shuler authored a letter to Waxman signed by 70 Democrats, asking him a rewrite the bill to " substitute the President’s proposal" for his own, which reflected the PhRMA deal.
PhRMA’s board approved the $80 billion in price reductions on June 19. On June 30, the Hill reported that PhRMA began running ads in the districts of vulnerable Democratic House freshmen.





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yeah, and PhRMA’s all about good faith
I wonder if this a–hole looks at campaign promises as deals that shouldn’t be broken.
Wouldn’t it be nice if he felt that strongly about his oath of office?
I watched both Carper and Schumer go back and forth last night…Carper makes a good point, if not for the brillant move of the administrtion this debate wouldn’t have taken place…Increase the cost to PhRMA but know this, we the public will pick up the slack for those who can’t afford meds…
And guess what? Pelosi really didn’t stand up to the Blue Dogs after all:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..-Blue-Dogs!
So you say that you’re retired. Glad you signed up on FDL in early September and are devoting so much time to our heath care threads.
I’m assuming you’re covered by Medicare then?
Two comments
Well, for one thing, everyone knows that the true Golden Rule that governs US politics is that, “He who has the gold makes the rules.” Sure, it amounts to the same thing as what Carper said, and maybe in his hurry, and giddied by the unfamiliar sensation of actually telling the truth, he mixed up the corollary with the principle itself.
My other comment is that this Carper puts me in mind of the sort of nobleman of his time who, Swift tells us, on principle, honors no debts but those to gamblers, and keeps no promises but those made to prostitutes. You sure this Carper fella is a D? Sure seems more typical of the Rs, but maybe he’s just trying to be bipartisan.
Isn’t this deal illegal? A legislator can’t say to a corporation, “I’ll make sure you’re protected in such-and-such a bill if you buy ads for me.” So how can the White House say to the pharmaceutical companies, “We’ll make sure you’re protected in the health-care bill if you buy ads for some Democratic representatives?” I don’t know if it amounts to soliciting a bribe or extortion, but it seems illegal.
We will pay for all of their concessions. Just as we pay for the uninsured at the emergency room. Just as we will ultimately pay any new taxes on big insurance companies. These items all represent costs of doing business and the costs of their products will go up to insure their profits. “We The People” pay for it all anyway, so “WE The People” should insure ourselves. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Single payer!
I’m not that old, was in the military, so I use Tricare…..
Carper’s argument is ridiculous. He shouldn’t consider himself bound by the terms of an agreement that may or may not have been reached negotiated by people without his input or consent.
Carper’s primary duty is to represent the best interests of his constituents and reject any agreement made by others that conflicts with his duty. There probably was some sort of agreement in principle, but what specifically were its terms? I know of no ethical, moral, or legal principle that would bind Carper or anyone else to honor an agreement made by others without his knowledge or informed consent.
I’m calling bullshit.
I know what you mean. I’ve always thought Swift’s ideas to be an excellent source of historical comparison with our own government; at least in terms of the absolute requirement to meet the inane with satire. How long is the formula for a parliamentary style system to be in existence before it requires serious satirical examination? Couple hundred years?
Oh, so you use a PUBLIC program; you just don’t want it for anyone else. You’re not just a troll, you’re a damned hypocrite.
LOL, TriCare, government run health care of the highest quality. We should all be so lucky.
Well first of all never make deals with the devil (PhRMA)…and if anyone has backed out I think we know who it is and always is, the devil. Looook deeeeper, they want to suck our blood.
What a total lie. Gee, business 101, deals are made to be broken. The government doesn’t need to make a deal with Pharma. They need to use their market advantage just as Wal-Mart does. This is really getting pathetic. Who are these people?
Yikes. Looks like everyone is in the same mood I’m in.
Not saying I disagree. Just glad I’m not in this boat alone.
But don’t ya know, he worked for it unlike most of the population. Most of us are just lazy slackers who don’t know our a**es from page twelve. Or we are too sick to work.
Deleware bloggers are not happy with Carper
Morning, Mare.
Or, too pissed off about being treated in an unhuman way to work.
(Quit my job at the stupid Christian Bookstore yesterday.)
Carper sums up the definition of centrist, moderate, crook, in one fell swoop. He just sounds disappointed he was omitted from the deal making. And I would imagine at best, that is the only lesson the WH and pharma will take away from his fleeting moment of truth.
Either Carper is out of touch with reality or I am
On the planet I live on, this is called …
CORRUPTION
Stupid Christian Bookstore
“Wash Those Brains Right Out of Your Head”
o/t but speaking of frauds, Alan Grayson has a Friday deadline to round up fraud research in response to the overreaching ACORN defunding legislation.
Can Casual Observer’s post be frontpaged? Or was something already posted and I missed it? (quite possible).
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/8391
Still not clear on Obama WH decision to strike this “back room” insider deal with PhRMA. It does not align with the whole “change we can believe in” Obama 2008 WH campaign bullet point.
This so called healthcare “reform” as sponsored by this Obama WH and far too many so called Democrats in Congress does not pass the smell test threshold.
I do hope if the Democrats manage to achieve full craptastic no reform but more money and protection for the current healthcare for profit regimes they take a very serious hit in 2010 and the Obama WH gets the boot in 2012.
If WashingtonDC is going to be held captive by the Bad Government Party it may as well be held by the real one–the GOPers– at least that will hasten the ultimate and much needed collapse and start over.
“You can’t handle the truth!”
Col. JessepSen. CarperIndeed.
Tricare is far, far better than Medicare. Much broader coverage, larger pool of providers since it pays providers better than Medicare or Medicare Advantage (in case you’re not lucky enough to live near a military installation with a Tricare clinic) and much less expensive.
Will stritz44 mention his yearly premium?
And, in common with Medicare, it can never be canceled.
Instead of MediCare for all, maybe we should be calling for TriCare for all. Outstanding medical coverage. Don’t you want every American to have access to the kind of health care you do?
Amen and amen, sister.
PS, my ass is sore too. Ha.
Precisely.
By rights, this ought to be Senator Carper’s ticket straight out of the United States Congress.
If for no other reason, than for the appalling demonstration of Carper’s complete contempt for the imperative of the separation of powers among the three branches of government – about as fundamental a concept of our Constitutional system of government as there is.
To Jay Rockefeller’s immense credit, I heard him attempt a head-on rebuttal of Carper’s astounding effort to sabotage the prerogative of their own Legislative Branch of government. Rockefeller recounted what happened in the weekly Senate Democratic Caucus lunch shortly after President Clinton was elected: When Clinton showed up at the caucus, in a now-typical Party-means-Parliament move to take ‘ownership’ of his Party, Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell patiently explained the concept of the separation of powers to President Clinton, and that the Senate was in no need of the counsel of the Executive Branch on that particular occasion, and Mitchell then politely ushered the new President and his Secret Service detail out of the room.
Whereas in 2009, the Senate Majority Leader worked hand in clandestine glove with the President [and Baucus, another fan of an illicit Party-dominated Parliament in lieu of our Constitutional Congress] to subvert his own branch of government, and people like Delaware’s Tom Carper – whose own committee prerogatives were openly subverted by the White House-supported, wholly-undemocratic “Gang of Six” end-run of the committee – simply blink and nod in mute, and then vocal, approval; abandoning, in the process, their unrepresented constitutents, and every other American whose voice is silenced because Carper’s privileged slot on the Senate Finance Committee is filled by an inert seat-warmer.
Rockefeller hasn’t quite got the language down – in terms of founding principles, and legislative prerogative – about what he’s trying to convey (and, of course, speaking of, and respecting the Constitution these days is considered too gauche for words by the likes of the self-serving Carper), but he’s definitely headed in the right direction. I hope Rockefeller’s important argument penetrates the cavalier and heedless thought processes of at least some of his Democratic committee colleagues.
Thanks for highlighting Carper’s – yes, “stunning” – betrayal of our system of government, Jon. There’s nothing like getting the words on video, straight from the culprit’s mouth, as the potent DFA Snowe ad demonstrates; no voiceover needed, the Senator condemns himself with his own words, for all to see.
Take note Carper is envoking an old right wing talking trick by trying to personify the Pharma Industry. It’s a greedy, profit obsessed orgy of demons YOU IDIOT! You corrupt bastard! That’s not capitalism it’s CRAPITALISM beotch!
Well that explains all of the ads running for Kay Hagen in NC
Secret, backroom deals are writ in blood and money and must be kept. Just as it’s good for one’s health to pay your debts to Sam the bookie, because otherwise, Lenny and Mikey will come calling and you’ll need two new knees or a pine box.
Public commitments, platforms and promises made to the public in exchange for votes – not money – those are dispensable. Like a diaper, they’re good for a few hours and then are best thrown away.
The Dem leadersheep has acknowledged in words as well as deeds that the political careers of a few of them are more important than the health of a hundred million Americans. Now that should have an impact at the polls, should it not?
It should, and as far as I’m concerned it will!
He’s not the first U.S. Sen. from Delaware to stand up for corporate interests. Just look at Biden’s lousy record on the banking industry and his support for the 2005 Bankruptcy Reform Act.
Whether it’s Big PHRMA, banks, or insurance companies, corporate interests, as Ill Sen. Dick Durbin might put it, “own” the U.S. Congress.
Once the U.S Supreme Court rules on the Hillary movie, the country officially will be for sale to the highest bidder.
Wow… so corporations are actually a fourth branch of government, and apparently ‘laws’ can be made and ‘money’ committed without any pesky legislating or having stuff signed into law.
Clearly that Schoolhouse Rock video needs updating.
Until we see something in print, there is no deal…sorry phrma you are big boys and know to get it in writing…if you didn’t too bad you greedy pigs! Personally I think the phrma industry should not be paid more than th elowest rate they charge to any country health system.
Why does phrma hate america so much that we have to pay to heal the world?
I imagine Carper’s next electoral opponent will make sure Delaware’s voters become familiar with his odd theories about elected officials making secret deals to stab the voters in the back, and where the morality of the Golden Rule lies.
My Golden Rule is that I wouldn’t make promises and then double-cross the people who believed in me, and I don’t recognize the right of anyone else to make secret deals on my behalf without my knowledge. Evidently Carper doesn’t see it this way. He thinks Obama can lie, make a secret deal against the public interest, bind Congress, and bind the people.
I don’t think so.
So if I make a deal that a separate person or entity will do something, I get to force them to live up to my deal and even fall back on being a pious Golden Rule follower? Let me just make a few deals on this health care plan, then. I don’t care who is doing this, it’s immoral if not illegal. How low have we fallen when support of such outright bribery is painted as a moral obligation?
Somebody primary this motherfucker!
The funny thing while I was serving my country for 20 yrs I’m sure you were bashing it…
Yea why not? Have them serve their country for 20 yrs be deployed for a yr at a time from your family then I’ll be all for it…
stritz is more then willing, I pay $460 a yr for my family plan, then $12 for co-pay….But once again, I served this country 20 yrs and was away from my family on numerous deployments…But neither me nor my family abuses health care which I’m willing to bet is half the problem we currently face.
IS THIS FOR REAL!
Are they that out of touch that they can parade corruption on the floor of Congress. Secret back room deals? You have to be kidding me, if it wasnt for the video I would have thought this was political satire!
This is not going to play well in peoria. This administation and this congress are going to go down in flames with corruption this naked.
Thank you stritz44. That squares with what I expected as I work in Tricare clinics. I also work in Medicare/Medicaid, no insurance clinics. I can’t say that the mix of patients that I see varies much from clinic to clinic except that in the sliding scale and Medicaid clinics the patients tend to miss more appointments due to work/transport and co-pay problems and to be sicker when they do come in since they don’t do so until they absolutely must. (time off work for self-care jeopardizes jobs).
They also don’t take their chronic meds, including anti-hypertensives, insulin, and post-MI meds as prescribed due to inability to meet even discounted Rx prices all of the time. (This is less a problem with ‘care/’caid patients). I hadn’t thought of this as overusing the system, although perhaps you have a point. When these patients are unable to care for their illnesses early, they set the stage for later catastrophes such as stroke, renal failure with subsequent dialysis, blindness, amputation and chronic cardiac disability. Patients like that really use time and resources.
However, I suspect by “abusing the system” you mean patients who go to doctors “unnecessarily.” That’s a tricky call unless you have in intimate knowledge of the “offending” patient’s medical history. I would say, however, that if such a thing exists, and I’m less and less sure that it does, there is just as much if not more of it at family health, Tricare, WTU ,and occasionally troop clinics than at civilian facilities – especially just before and during deployments which, as I am sure you know, are more frequent these days.
Agree, totally..Can’t count the number of former soldiers who had that last minute trip to the Doc’s to get out of a training ex or realworld mission..I’m willing to bet it might be prevelant in most cases across the board…
It sure seems like it should be illegal, first it’s lost on both parties that they are selling the public down the river, and secondly since the trade is for partisan democratic ads.
h/t link to CREW from maggiesboy in another thread
Criminally corrupt politicians are the reason the U.S. is ranked near the bottom of every catagory when ranked next to other modern, industrialized nations. Time for publically funded elections.
The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.
mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,
lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,
conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M, boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K
were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.
(Source: OpenSecrets.org)
Co-Author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler of a Recent Harvard Study on Annual Deaths of America’s Uninsured, says the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States. The only way to affordably cover all Americans is through a Medicare-for-All, Single-Payer System. A Single-Payer System would generate $300-$400 billion in administrative savings annually, enough to cover all of the uninsured, and to plug the gaps in coverage for Americans with only partial coverage. Obviously, Medicare-for-all is anathema to the insurance industry. What politicians are doing is saving insurance industry profits, by sacrificing American lives.
12 Million Americans were denied health care coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a pre-existing medical condition. 12K Americans are denied insurance coverage everyday by a for-profit Insurance bureaucrat. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren)
Medical malpractice lawsuits are a hot topic but, are they? Tort Reform is such a “Red Herring” and is easily disproved. A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office said medical malpractice makes up only 2 percent of U.S. health spending. Even “significant reductions” would do little to curb health-care expenses, it concluded.
bush(43) economic speech writer david frum, at least, is willing to admit the idea about selling insurance across state lines is a crock:
New Jersey health policies cost more in large part because New Jersey hospitals and doctors charge more. If I buy a cheaper Kentucky policy that reimburses my providers at Kentucky rates, leaving me to pay the balance, how much good does that do me? And if the Kentucky policy is made to pay New Jersey rates, there vanishes my low Kentucky price.
These are some of the easily refuted arguments bought and paid for by the Medical Industrial Complex to derail any chance of their criminally massive profits being reduced.
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