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	<title>Comments on: Baucus/Conrad Co-Ops a Weak Alternative to For-Profit Insurance</title>
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		<title>By: cregan</title>
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		<dc:creator>cregan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wide open competition with good regulation will work much better than a co-op.  A national market.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama says on Sunday,  “premiums went up by 5.5% in the last year,”  like insurance premiums rise in some vacuum. Better to say the cost of health care services went up by 5.5 %,  then you are framing the real problem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The problem of turn downs, pre-existing conditions, etc. can all be solved by some new rules, but none of that will do anything to lower the skyrocketing costs of health care.  AND, Obama says that if the costs are not brought down that Medicare will run higher and higher deficits.  That is another way of saying that Medicare itself cannot do anything about the rising costs, which also means a public option certainly won’t be able to do any better.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What does that mean?  That with a public option you might get a one time lowering of PREMIUMS by some percentage, but after that, we back off to the races. Because, if Medicare, with its bargaining power and leverage, according to Obama,  can’t halt the rise in costs,  the public option, with even less power won’t be able to do it either.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have not heard anyone come up with a credible explanation for the rise in health care service costs.  That to me is the nitty gritty that must be drilled down to.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Again, these are details and logistics that have not been very well thought out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wide open competition with good regulation will work much better than a co-op.  A national market.  </p>
<p>Obama says on Sunday,  “premiums went up by 5.5% in the last year,”  like insurance premiums rise in some vacuum. Better to say the cost of health care services went up by 5.5 %,  then you are framing the real problem.</p>
<p>The problem of turn downs, pre-existing conditions, etc. can all be solved by some new rules, but none of that will do anything to lower the skyrocketing costs of health care.  AND, Obama says that if the costs are not brought down that Medicare will run higher and higher deficits.  That is another way of saying that Medicare itself cannot do anything about the rising costs, which also means a public option certainly won’t be able to do any better.  </p>
<p>What does that mean?  That with a public option you might get a one time lowering of PREMIUMS by some percentage, but after that, we back off to the races. Because, if Medicare, with its bargaining power and leverage, according to Obama,  can’t halt the rise in costs,  the public option, with even less power won’t be able to do it either.</p>
<p>I have not heard anyone come up with a credible explanation for the rise in health care service costs.  That to me is the nitty gritty that must be drilled down to.  </p>
<p>Again, these are details and logistics that have not been very well thought out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Walker</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/21/baucusconrad-co-ops-a-weak-alternative-to-for-profit-insurance/#comment-46945</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The insurance companies don’t want to take any chances. Their are two small relatively well function quasi-coop health insurance companies left. That is two more than the for-profit insurance companies want.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The insurance companies don’t want to take any chances. Their are two small relatively well function quasi-coop health insurance companies left. That is two more than the for-profit insurance companies want.</p>
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		<title>By: elkojohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>elkojohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Co-Ops must have some potential or they wouldn’t&lt;br /&gt;
put all those restrictions on them in the bill.&lt;br /&gt;
I kinda like the idea of a regional Co-Op owned by the residents.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Co-Ops must have some potential or they wouldn’t<br />
put all those restrictions on them in the bill.<br />
I kinda like the idea of a regional Co-Op owned by the residents.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey I’ve been running my own website (&lt;a href=&quot;http://jwalkerreport.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Walker Report&lt;/a&gt;) on politics and policy (mainly health care policy) for over a year now. I was asked because of my writing on that site to start writing here on FDL. I hope you all enjoy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I’ve been running my own website (<a href="http://jwalkerreport.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">The Walker Report</a>) on politics and policy (mainly health care policy) for over a year now. I was asked because of my writing on that site to start writing here on FDL. I hope you all enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bustednuckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bustednuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sniff*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I still miss Donita.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sniff*</p>
<p>I still miss Donita.</p>
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		<title>By: jayt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’d prefer to not think of the nature of the stick… all I know is that when Hatch “laughed” at the Teddy Memorial, it made me kind of simultaneously sad and sick. What a pathetic excuse for a human being.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I found myself longing for Chuck Barris’s Gong Show Hook.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d prefer to not think of the nature of the stick… all I know is that when Hatch “laughed” at the Teddy Memorial, it made me kind of simultaneously sad and sick. What a pathetic excuse for a human being.</p>
<p>I found myself longing for Chuck Barris’s Gong Show Hook.</p>
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		<title>By: KellyCDenver</title>
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		<dc:creator>KellyCDenver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stick? I thought Orrin was walking around with a potato chip up there, and trying not to break it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stick? I thought Orrin was walking around with a potato chip up there, and trying not to break it.</p>
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		<title>By: tbsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It has been there for such a long period of time, it has become stuck.  Perhaps surgical intervention would assist his challenging situation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been there for such a long period of time, it has become stuck.  Perhaps surgical intervention would assist his challenging situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yeah, but he plays guitar so well….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, but he plays guitar so well….</p>
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		<title>By: KellyCDenver</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/21/baucusconrad-co-ops-a-weak-alternative-to-for-profit-insurance/#comment-46933</link>
		<dc:creator>KellyCDenver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks. Was truly just curious. Donita Sparks goes, Mike Stark appears, Jon Walker blazes; It’s the way blogs go, but was curious where Jon came from.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Was truly just curious. Donita Sparks goes, Mike Stark appears, Jon Walker blazes; It’s the way blogs go, but was curious where Jon came from.</p>
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