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	<title>Comments on: Workers Chant &#8220;Bullshit&#8221; About Baucus Bill At AFL-CIO Convention</title>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/workers-chant-bullshit-about-baucus-bill-at-afl-cio-convention/#comment-46362</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Originally written by John Denver (and some credit French-Algerienne Eddy Marnay as co-writer).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Originally written by John Denver (and some credit French-Algerienne Eddy Marnay as co-writer).</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s the fine for families, for individuals it’s $950. But I’ve heard some people say “okay, I’ll pay it. Cheaper than the health care”. But I don’t think they realize that like auto insurance the fine is separate from the mandatory insurance. If you want to get on the road, you still have to get insurance. To me, this indicates you would still not be covered after the fine, and still be expected to carry health insurance. It’s mandatory.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So that means they would assign a plan to the recalcitrant. And you’d have to pay for that, too. It sounds like they could dun your paycheck, or perhaps withdraw the money from your bank accounts to cover this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh…get this. “Tax credits”…pay the insurance company until your accounts are empty…but don’t worry, You might get money back (or reduced taxes) at tax-time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Furthermore…if you are 45-64 you might have to pay 7 times what some late teen boy pays…despite their insane driving, likelihood of getting in fights, or sports-related accidents and unprotected sexual activity. But then magically, at 65 you go onto Medicare. Working and 64 BADDDDD! Retired and 65…GOOOODDDDD!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s the fine for families, for individuals it’s $950. But I’ve heard some people say “okay, I’ll pay it. Cheaper than the health care”. But I don’t think they realize that like auto insurance the fine is separate from the mandatory insurance. If you want to get on the road, you still have to get insurance. To me, this indicates you would still not be covered after the fine, and still be expected to carry health insurance. It’s mandatory.</p>
<p>So that means they would assign a plan to the recalcitrant. And you’d have to pay for that, too. It sounds like they could dun your paycheck, or perhaps withdraw the money from your bank accounts to cover this.</p>
<p>Oh…get this. “Tax credits”…pay the insurance company until your accounts are empty…but don’t worry, You might get money back (or reduced taxes) at tax-time.</p>
<p>Furthermore…if you are 45-64 you might have to pay 7 times what some late teen boy pays…despite their insane driving, likelihood of getting in fights, or sports-related accidents and unprotected sexual activity. But then magically, at 65 you go onto Medicare. Working and 64 BADDDDD! Retired and 65…GOOOODDDDD!</p>
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		<title>By: TomWells</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomWells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s great!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Labor is a movement and we are together.   Some Dems better wake up, because if they f..k labor and the American people on health care, they will pay a heavy cost.    &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That means McCaskill, Nelson and Baucus &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Snowe, Nelson, McCaskill, and Lieberman “Commend” Baucus for Health Care Bill&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/snowe-nelson-mccaskill-and-lieberman-commend-baucus-for-health-care-bill.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.....e-bill.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McCaskill better learn fast of she will pay a big cost in 2012.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s great!!</p>
<p>Labor is a movement and we are together.   Some Dems better wake up, because if they f..k labor and the American people on health care, they will pay a heavy cost.    </p>
<p>That means McCaskill, Nelson and Baucus </p>
<p><strong>Snowe, Nelson, McCaskill, and Lieberman “Commend” Baucus for Health Care Bill</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/snowe-nelson-mccaskill-and-lieberman-commend-baucus-for-health-care-bill.php" rel="nofollow">http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo&#8230;..e-bill.php</a></p>
<p>McCaskill better learn fast of she will pay a big cost in 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: solerso</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/workers-chant-bullshit-about-baucus-bill-at-afl-cio-convention/#comment-46250</link>
		<dc:creator>solerso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BULL SHIT BULL SHIT BULL SHIT&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BULL SHIT BULL SHIT BULL SHIT</p>
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		<title>By: SueTheRedWA</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/workers-chant-bullshit-about-baucus-bill-at-afl-cio-convention/#comment-46246</link>
		<dc:creator>SueTheRedWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Suggest you stop by your local library.  They tend to have staff who can answer these questions and can actually show you with a real computer. If they can’t help you, chances are one of the patrons can. Also, check to see if they offer one-on-one help.  These are usually for 15 or 30 minutes time frames.  Sometimes it is just easier to see it done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Having said that, my husband had to waste time on his yesterday, because of a new Vista update, so it probably isn’t you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suggest you stop by your local library.  They tend to have staff who can answer these questions and can actually show you with a real computer. If they can’t help you, chances are one of the patrons can. Also, check to see if they offer one-on-one help.  These are usually for 15 or 30 minutes time frames.  Sometimes it is just easier to see it done.</p>
<p>Having said that, my husband had to waste time on his yesterday, because of a new Vista update, so it probably isn’t you.</p>
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		<title>By: SueTheRedWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SueTheRedWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m going to suggest this at a meeting this evening.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m going to suggest this at a meeting this evening.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/workers-chant-bullshit-about-baucus-bill-at-afl-cio-convention/#comment-46244</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DOS to ME?!  Man, that’s a leap.  Holy shit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOS to ME?!  Man, that’s a leap.  Holy shit.</p>
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		<title>By: OldFatGuy</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/workers-chant-bullshit-about-baucus-bill-at-afl-cio-convention/#comment-46240</link>
		<dc:creator>OldFatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, thanks.  That was one of the things the tech guy emailed me said to do.  And I did.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Frustrating thing is I’d bet dollars to donuts that someone like you sitting in this same chair would figure it out in 5 minutes.  I likely won’t 5 years from now. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But that is my fault.  Should’ve taken some classes or something.  Maybe tried that thing Bush didn’t believe in.  READING.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyways, thanks to all.  Didn’t mean to get this going, it’s just when I saw someone else possibly having the exact same problem, I thought I might piggy back off his solution if he found it.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyways, thanks again to all.  If I fire up my laptop, I can access The Seminal.  I just don’t fire that up much anymore.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, thanks.  That was one of the things the tech guy emailed me said to do.  And I did.  </p>
<p>Frustrating thing is I’d bet dollars to donuts that someone like you sitting in this same chair would figure it out in 5 minutes.  I likely won’t 5 years from now. </p>
<p>But that is my fault.  Should’ve taken some classes or something.  Maybe tried that thing Bush didn’t believe in.  READING.  </p>
<p>Anyways, thanks to all.  Didn’t mean to get this going, it’s just when I saw someone else possibly having the exact same problem, I thought I might piggy back off his solution if he found it.  </p>
<p>Anyways, thanks again to all.  If I fire up my laptop, I can access The Seminal.  I just don’t fire that up much anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: ouroborous</title>
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		<dc:creator>ouroborous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Clear your cookies.  It could be the combination of a corrupted cookie and slightly buggy site software.  I’m a software developer for a web firm and often clearing cookies (and sometimes “cached content” too) clears up 501’s that only happen for one or two people (technical reason;  the cookies are corrupted in a particular way that causes the web software to burp, which produces a 50x error — this is why you see the error and others don’t).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just a thought, it’s not a guaranteed fix :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clear your cookies.  It could be the combination of a corrupted cookie and slightly buggy site software.  I’m a software developer for a web firm and often clearing cookies (and sometimes “cached content” too) clears up 501’s that only happen for one or two people (technical reason;  the cookies are corrupted in a particular way that causes the web software to burp, which produces a 50x error — this is why you see the error and others don’t).</p>
<p>Just a thought, it’s not a guaranteed fix :)</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/workers-chant-bullshit-about-baucus-bill-at-afl-cio-convention/#comment-46237</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;MAC!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAC!</p>
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