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	<title>Comments on: Seven Important Facts in the Baucus Bill&#8217;s CBO Report</title>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/seven-important-facts-in-the-baucus-bills-cbo-report/#comment-46160</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Exemptions from the mandate would also be granted to Native Americans.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This may save votes and lowers state and/or federal health care costs, in that many American Indians are lower income and would qualify for the most expensive subsidies and because as a group they may also be most in need of better additional health care.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By leaving American Indians out of improved access to health care, Baucus’ plan does seem to screw those who were here first one more time. How like the U.S. Senate, which consented to all those past treaties - and which for generations has refused to demand an administrative accounting for hundreds of billions of dollars in Indian assets for which the federal government acts as “steward” - to do this one more time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Exemptions from the mandate would also be granted to Native Americans.</p>
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<p>This may save votes and lowers state and/or federal health care costs, in that many American Indians are lower income and would qualify for the most expensive subsidies and because as a group they may also be most in need of better additional health care.</p>
<p>By leaving American Indians out of improved access to health care, Baucus’ plan does seem to screw those who were here first one more time. How like the U.S. Senate, which consented to all those past treaties &#8211; and which for generations has refused to demand an administrative accounting for hundreds of billions of dollars in Indian assets for which the federal government acts as “steward” &#8211; to do this one more time.</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/seven-important-facts-in-the-baucus-bills-cbo-report/#comment-46106</link>
		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hehe.  my suspicion is that they’re so far off the pot that it’s not even funny. They’re not going to be there for this. Period.  Even Olympia won’t be there for this unless there’s even further concessions on what is already a totally unacceptable bill.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe.  my suspicion is that they’re so far off the pot that it’s not even funny. They’re not going to be there for this. Period.  Even Olympia won’t be there for this unless there’s even further concessions on what is already a totally unacceptable bill.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/seven-important-facts-in-the-baucus-bills-cbo-report/#comment-46099</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that moving the process forward will force the rethugs to shit or get off the pot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that moving the process forward will force the rethugs to shit or get off the pot.</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/seven-important-facts-in-the-baucus-bills-cbo-report/#comment-46098</link>
		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;tactically, I’m saying that I hope they decide to let this fail now and NOT move forward into sequential referral (for combination with the HELP bill). I’m way behind you in terms of it going to a vote by the full Senate and the reconciliation.  My question concerned an immediate-term tactical and process issue: namely, what is the prospect of stopping it well before it gets to be point where it is combined, much less voted on.  I’d rather it be stopped now.. that it dies in committee, without even bothering with sequential, when people get their hopes up by other committees trying to improve this dog.  Sorry for the lack of clarity in my question - it really concerned the minutia and mechanics of legislative process, and you’re more thinking about the bigger picture.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tactically, I’m saying that I hope they decide to let this fail now and NOT move forward into sequential referral (for combination with the HELP bill). I’m way behind you in terms of it going to a vote by the full Senate and the reconciliation.  My question concerned an immediate-term tactical and process issue: namely, what is the prospect of stopping it well before it gets to be point where it is combined, much less voted on.  I’d rather it be stopped now.. that it dies in committee, without even bothering with sequential, when people get their hopes up by other committees trying to improve this dog.  Sorry for the lack of clarity in my question &#8211; it really concerned the minutia and mechanics of legislative process, and you’re more thinking about the bigger picture.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/seven-important-facts-in-the-baucus-bills-cbo-report/#comment-46095</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If this piece of crap bill ever gets out of committee then it would have to be combined with the Health committee bill and then voted on by the Senate. During the process of combining I feel that it should be split into a bill that goes through reconciliation and a part that does not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this piece of crap bill ever gets out of committee then it would have to be combined with the Health committee bill and then voted on by the Senate. During the process of combining I feel that it should be split into a bill that goes through reconciliation and a part that does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/seven-important-facts-in-the-baucus-bills-cbo-report/#comment-46094</link>
		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know.. it’ll be by force of suasion.  By “demand” I meant that he’d strongly throw his weight behind it and ask that it be allowed to move forward into sequential.  But that concerns me.  I’d rather this thing gets killed now before it advances, and the president throw his weight behind another bill instead.  It looks like the other alternative is Harkin’s version, which promises to at least be a little better.  I asked my question to people’s views on what will happen next (the leadership will push for Baucus’ committee to vote to move it forward, or the president will push for that, as opposed to a scenario where the leadership and the president are tepid and where it dies right now).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The preceding post (that Rockefeller is getting summoned to the WH to be pressured, possibly, on this bill) is not a good sign.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know.. it’ll be by force of suasion.  By “demand” I meant that he’d strongly throw his weight behind it and ask that it be allowed to move forward into sequential.  But that concerns me.  I’d rather this thing gets killed now before it advances, and the president throw his weight behind another bill instead.  It looks like the other alternative is Harkin’s version, which promises to at least be a little better.  I asked my question to people’s views on what will happen next (the leadership will push for Baucus’ committee to vote to move it forward, or the president will push for that, as opposed to a scenario where the leadership and the president are tepid and where it dies right now).</p>
<p>The preceding post (that Rockefeller is getting summoned to the WH to be pressured, possibly, on this bill) is not a good sign.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/seven-important-facts-in-the-baucus-bills-cbo-report/#comment-46093</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The president could throw his weight behind it (which I doubt) but the president can’t demand that the congress do anything.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The president could throw his weight behind it (which I doubt) but the president can’t demand that the congress do anything.</p>
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		<title>By: NAVDOC3rdMAR</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/seven-important-facts-in-the-baucus-bills-cbo-report/#comment-46092</link>
		<dc:creator>NAVDOC3rdMAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,&lt;br /&gt;lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,&lt;br /&gt;conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K  &lt;br /&gt;were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.&lt;br /&gt;(Source: OpenSecrets.org)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;12 Million Americans were denied health care coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a pre-existing medical condition. 12K Americans are denied insurance coverage everyday by a for-profit Insurance bureaucrat. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More than 22K Americans between the ages 24-64 die each year because they don’t have adequate health insurance coverage. (Source: Chu, M.C. &amp; J. Rhoades, The Uninsured in America, 96′-07′)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Medical malpractice lawsuits are a hot topic but, are they? Tort Reform is such a “red herring” and is easily disproved.  I know repubs love to quote the CBO well here’s a quote, ” A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office said medical malpractice makes up only 2 percent of U.S. health spending. Even “significant reductions” would do little to curb health-care expenses, it concluded.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Citizens for Tax Justice pointed this out. The tax legislation enacted under President George W. Bush from 2001 through 2006 will cost $2.48 trillion over the 2001-2010 period. This includes the revenue loss of $2.11 trillion that results directly from the cheney/bush tax cuts as well as the $379 billion in additional interest payments on the national debt that we must make since the tax cuts were deficit-financed. Over the upcoming decade (2010-2019), the costs of the health care proposals approved by three committees in the U.S. House of Representatives are projected to be around $1 trillion and deficit neutral(that means they’re paid for). In 2010, when all the cheney/bush tax cuts are finally phased in, a staggering 52.5 percent of the benefits will go to the richest 5 percent of taxpayers. The cheney/bush tax cuts were deficit-financed, which increased the national debt and resulted in greater interest payments on that debt. cheney/bush administration never even tried to pay for their tax-cuts. So, for the price of cheney/bush’s tax-cuts for the wealthiest 5%, we could have had Health Care for every American. Instead Americans got bupkus and cheney/bush’s republican campaign contributors/golf buddies got filthy rich off of the Blood Money from No-Bid, Cost-Plus Federal Contracts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Follow the Money: &lt;a href=&quot;http://hmc-lavadogs.livejournal.com/20128.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Call Congress and demand, Single-Payer Health Care for All!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Toll Free # House and Senate)&lt;br /&gt;1-866-338-1015_______________1-866-220-0044&lt;br /&gt;1-800-473-6711_______________1-866-311-3405&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sign Single-Payer Petition: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.singlepayeraction.org/join.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don’t let the Medical Industrial Complex steal your Health Care from you and your family by donating huge sums of money to Crooked Politicians in order to maintain the Status Quo. Keep up the good fight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SEMPER FI!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.</p>
<p>mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,<br />lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,<br />conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K  <br />were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.<br />(Source: OpenSecrets.org)</p>
<p>12 Million Americans were denied health care coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a pre-existing medical condition. 12K Americans are denied insurance coverage everyday by a for-profit Insurance bureaucrat. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren) </p>
<p>More than 22K Americans between the ages 24-64 die each year because they don’t have adequate health insurance coverage. (Source: Chu, M.C. &amp; J. Rhoades, The Uninsured in America, 96′-07′)</p>
<p>Medical malpractice lawsuits are a hot topic but, are they? Tort Reform is such a “red herring” and is easily disproved.  I know repubs love to quote the CBO well here’s a quote, ” A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office said medical malpractice makes up only 2 percent of U.S. health spending. Even “significant reductions” would do little to curb health-care expenses, it concluded.”</p>
<p>Citizens for Tax Justice pointed this out. The tax legislation enacted under President George W. Bush from 2001 through 2006 will cost $2.48 trillion over the 2001-2010 period. This includes the revenue loss of $2.11 trillion that results directly from the cheney/bush tax cuts as well as the $379 billion in additional interest payments on the national debt that we must make since the tax cuts were deficit-financed. Over the upcoming decade (2010-2019), the costs of the health care proposals approved by three committees in the U.S. House of Representatives are projected to be around $1 trillion and deficit neutral(that means they’re paid for). In 2010, when all the cheney/bush tax cuts are finally phased in, a staggering 52.5 percent of the benefits will go to the richest 5 percent of taxpayers. The cheney/bush tax cuts were deficit-financed, which increased the national debt and resulted in greater interest payments on that debt. cheney/bush administration never even tried to pay for their tax-cuts. So, for the price of cheney/bush’s tax-cuts for the wealthiest 5%, we could have had Health Care for every American. Instead Americans got bupkus and cheney/bush’s republican campaign contributors/golf buddies got filthy rich off of the Blood Money from No-Bid, Cost-Plus Federal Contracts.</p>
<p>Follow the Money: <a href="http://hmc-lavadogs.livejournal.com/20128.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Call Congress and demand, Single-Payer Health Care for All!</p>
<p>(Toll Free # House and Senate)<br />1-866-338-1015_______________1-866-220-0044<br />1-800-473-6711_______________1-866-311-3405</p>
<p>Sign Single-Payer Petition: <a href="http://www.singlepayeraction.org/join.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Don’t let the Medical Industrial Complex steal your Health Care from you and your family by donating huge sums of money to Crooked Politicians in order to maintain the Status Quo. Keep up the good fight.</p>
<p>SEMPER FI!</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/seven-important-facts-in-the-baucus-bills-cbo-report/#comment-46091</link>
		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yes, I get that, but I’m assuming (I hope) that it will have a hard time getting out of its own committee (apparently up to 3? Dems oppose it there).. in which case it’s dead, right?  Unless the president throws its weight behind it and demands that they move it out of Baucus’ committee and it gets used as the basis for further work, revisions upon sequential referral.  I’d rather it just die and that we start working with HELP version instead, whatever that’ll look like.  Presumably it can’t be worse than this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, I get that, but I’m assuming (I hope) that it will have a hard time getting out of its own committee (apparently up to 3? Dems oppose it there).. in which case it’s dead, right?  Unless the president throws its weight behind it and demands that they move it out of Baucus’ committee and it gets used as the basis for further work, revisions upon sequential referral.  I’d rather it just die and that we start working with HELP version instead, whatever that’ll look like.  Presumably it can’t be worse than this.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/seven-important-facts-in-the-baucus-bills-cbo-report/#comment-46090</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What was released yesterday is essentially Baucus proposal. Next week it goes to mark up and then committee vote. At this point all it is is the Baucus proposal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was released yesterday is essentially Baucus proposal. Next week it goes to mark up and then committee vote. At this point all it is is the Baucus proposal.</p>
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