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	<title>Comments on: Obama on Health Care Reform: Minneapolis and Washington</title>
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		<title>By: NAVDOC3rdMAR</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/12/obama-on-health-care-reform-minneapolis-and-washington/#comment-45646</link>
		<dc:creator>NAVDOC3rdMAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,&lt;br /&gt;lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,&lt;br /&gt;conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K  &lt;br /&gt;were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Citizens for Tax Justice pointed this out. The tax legislation enacted under President George W. Bush from 2001 through 2006 will cost $2.48 trillion over the 2001-2010 period. This includes the revenue loss of $2.11 trillion that results directly from the Bush tax cuts as well as the $379 billion in additional interest payments on the national debt that we must make since the tax cuts were deficit-financed. Over the upcoming decade (2010-2019), the costs of the health care proposals approved by three committees in the U.S. House of Representatives are projected to be around $1 trillion and deficit neutral(that means they’re paid for). In 2010, when all the Bush tax cuts are finally phased in, a staggering 52.5 percent of the benefits will go to the richest 5 percent of taxpayers. The Bush tax cuts were deficit-financed, which increased the national debt and resulted in greater interest payments on that debt. They never even tried to pay for their tax-cuts. So, for the price of bush’s tax-cuts for the wealthiest 5%, we could have had Health Care for every American. Instead Americans got bupkus and cheney/bush’s republican buddies got filthy rich off of the Blood Money from No-Bid, Cost-Plus Federal Contracts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;12 Million Americans were denied Health Care Coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a Pre-Existing Medical Condition. 12K Americans lose Insurance Coverage everyday. Over 18K Americans die each day because they lack health insurance. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Follow the Money: &lt;a href=&quot;http://hmc-lavadogs.livejournal.com/20128.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Call Congress and demand, Single-Payer Health Care for All!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sign Single-Payer Petition: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.singlepayeraction.org/join.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don’t let the Medical Industrial Complex steal your Health Care from you and your family by donating huge sums of money to Crooked Politicians in order to maintain the Status Quo. Keep up the good fight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SEMPER FI!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.</p>
<p>mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,<br />lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,<br />conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K  <br />were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.</p>
<p>Citizens for Tax Justice pointed this out. The tax legislation enacted under President George W. Bush from 2001 through 2006 will cost $2.48 trillion over the 2001-2010 period. This includes the revenue loss of $2.11 trillion that results directly from the Bush tax cuts as well as the $379 billion in additional interest payments on the national debt that we must make since the tax cuts were deficit-financed. Over the upcoming decade (2010-2019), the costs of the health care proposals approved by three committees in the U.S. House of Representatives are projected to be around $1 trillion and deficit neutral(that means they’re paid for). In 2010, when all the Bush tax cuts are finally phased in, a staggering 52.5 percent of the benefits will go to the richest 5 percent of taxpayers. The Bush tax cuts were deficit-financed, which increased the national debt and resulted in greater interest payments on that debt. They never even tried to pay for their tax-cuts. So, for the price of bush’s tax-cuts for the wealthiest 5%, we could have had Health Care for every American. Instead Americans got bupkus and cheney/bush’s republican buddies got filthy rich off of the Blood Money from No-Bid, Cost-Plus Federal Contracts.</p>
<p>12 Million Americans were denied Health Care Coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a Pre-Existing Medical Condition. 12K Americans lose Insurance Coverage everyday. Over 18K Americans die each day because they lack health insurance. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren)</p>
<p>Follow the Money: <a href="http://hmc-lavadogs.livejournal.com/20128.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Call Congress and demand, Single-Payer Health Care for All!</p>
<p>Sign Single-Payer Petition: <a href="http://www.singlepayeraction.org/join.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Don’t let the Medical Industrial Complex steal your Health Care from you and your family by donating huge sums of money to Crooked Politicians in order to maintain the Status Quo. Keep up the good fight.</p>
<p>SEMPER FI!</p>
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		<title>By: ChangeNow</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/12/obama-on-health-care-reform-minneapolis-and-washington/#comment-45644</link>
		<dc:creator>ChangeNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I worked for a 5 doctor, 4 nurse practitioner office with 2 locations-they charged high fees, bought machines expressly to make money. One doctor wanted to see a patient every 10 minutes. Sure, technology plays a part, but unadulterated greed does too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for a 5 doctor, 4 nurse practitioner office with 2 locations-they charged high fees, bought machines expressly to make money. One doctor wanted to see a patient every 10 minutes. Sure, technology plays a part, but unadulterated greed does too.</p>
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		<title>By: fdr14</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/12/obama-on-health-care-reform-minneapolis-and-washington/#comment-45642</link>
		<dc:creator>fdr14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We are on to Obama’s moderate plan with no public option. Working with Mad Max Baucus instead of working with “we the people” who put him in office. Insurance industry giveaway. We should not let this stand.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are on to Obama’s moderate plan with no public option. Working with Mad Max Baucus instead of working with “we the people” who put him in office. Insurance industry giveaway. We should not let this stand.</p>
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		<title>By: ChangeNow</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChangeNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t forget, everyone will be locked in to the higher premiums because it’s mandated. If people are smart, they will fight the mandated insurance tooth and nail. Congress knows nothing about insurance and yet they spout how simple it is to cover pre-x. They will muck it up and we will pay the price.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t forget, everyone will be locked in to the higher premiums because it’s mandated. If people are smart, they will fight the mandated insurance tooth and nail. Congress knows nothing about insurance and yet they spout how simple it is to cover pre-x. They will muck it up and we will pay the price.</p>
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		<title>By: cregan</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/12/obama-on-health-care-reform-minneapolis-and-washington/#comment-45640</link>
		<dc:creator>cregan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But,  also, to me,  it is not an insurance cost crisis,  it is a health care SERVICES cost crisis.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, I don’t see any real plan to deal with that.  If the cost of services continue to skyrocket,  the cost of ANY insurance plan, public or no, is going to continue going up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Insurance reform is fine, but we ought to be talking about the cost of the services themselves much more than has been discussed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, to me,  just planning on waste and fraud or maybe jawboning some fees down isn’t going to cut it.  There is some other pressure point pushing all these costs up.  More expensive machines?  Lawyers? Doctors?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But,  also, to me,  it is not an insurance cost crisis,  it is a health care SERVICES cost crisis.</p>
<p>But, I don’t see any real plan to deal with that.  If the cost of services continue to skyrocket,  the cost of ANY insurance plan, public or no, is going to continue going up.</p>
<p>Insurance reform is fine, but we ought to be talking about the cost of the services themselves much more than has been discussed.</p>
<p>And, to me,  just planning on waste and fraud or maybe jawboning some fees down isn’t going to cut it.  There is some other pressure point pushing all these costs up.  More expensive machines?  Lawyers? Doctors?</p>
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		<title>By: cregan</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/12/obama-on-health-care-reform-minneapolis-and-washington/#comment-45639</link>
		<dc:creator>cregan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’d probably be feeling better if I was walking down the Seine with a nice bottle of wine and some good cheese too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I may not agree with the entire reform program, but I do think making preventative care and later in life check ups easily available is an important thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Someone mentioned premiums going up.  Yes, they can’t help but go up because the new insurance conditions begin right away, but, assuming a public option passes,  there is no public option insurance until 2013.  With all the pre-existing conditions having to be accepted,  the co-pays eliminated, and all the other additional costs–and no public option around to move costs down–where else are the premiums going to go but up?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is why, in a certain way, the HR 3200 needs to be scrapped and some thing that is more well thought out needs to be done.  Though, today I heard Kent Conrad or Claire McCaskill say that HR 3200 is totally dead.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, at this point, there really is no specific plan to even discuss one way or the other.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d probably be feeling better if I was walking down the Seine with a nice bottle of wine and some good cheese too.</p>
<p>I may not agree with the entire reform program, but I do think making preventative care and later in life check ups easily available is an important thing.</p>
<p>Someone mentioned premiums going up.  Yes, they can’t help but go up because the new insurance conditions begin right away, but, assuming a public option passes,  there is no public option insurance until 2013.  With all the pre-existing conditions having to be accepted,  the co-pays eliminated, and all the other additional costs–and no public option around to move costs down–where else are the premiums going to go but up?</p>
<p>This is why, in a certain way, the HR 3200 needs to be scrapped and some thing that is more well thought out needs to be done.  Though, today I heard Kent Conrad or Claire McCaskill say that HR 3200 is totally dead.</p>
<p>So, at this point, there really is no specific plan to even discuss one way or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: TomR</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was at the rally.  The roar for the public option would have continued longer had Obama not interrupted it.  This event was open to anyone from the public so I wasn’t sure if there would be a lot of teabaggers there.  They were outside with their signs, but it was a relatively small group by comparison.  Obama also mentioned FDR at the rally, in regard to social security.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He did say once some months ago that his administration will communicate in public what it says in private in regard to foreign policy.  I hope that’s his standard for domestic policy as well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- Tom&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the rally.  The roar for the public option would have continued longer had Obama not interrupted it.  This event was open to anyone from the public so I wasn’t sure if there would be a lot of teabaggers there.  They were outside with their signs, but it was a relatively small group by comparison.  Obama also mentioned FDR at the rally, in regard to social security.</p>
<p>He did say once some months ago that his administration will communicate in public what it says in private in regard to foreign policy.  I hope that’s his standard for domestic policy as well.</p>
<p>- Tom</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/12/obama-on-health-care-reform-minneapolis-and-washington/#comment-45629</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You can’t deal with these issues unless you get people into programs that assist them. It also starts with kids living healthy/eating healthy. PE-type recesses needs to be mandated at schools…getting kids active and outdoors from an early age…even if it’s just hiking down to the nearby park to look at ducks. Make it part of a Science or art class, or Math (doing trig or algebra by measuring the h eight or sides of the park).  Get them out to look at what different people do in the community. Walk, stretch, dance, jog, look.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For older folks get them into work based programs…reward workers who do so (less medical costs in the long run). Obesity leads to diabetes, orthopedic problems, circulatory and heart disease and a whole host of other problems. Smoking…unprotected sex (yes for adults…who are also teh stupid, or need to be constantly reminded…or giving the “tools”).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can’t deal with these issues unless you get people into programs that assist them. It also starts with kids living healthy/eating healthy. PE-type recesses needs to be mandated at schools…getting kids active and outdoors from an early age…even if it’s just hiking down to the nearby park to look at ducks. Make it part of a Science or art class, or Math (doing trig or algebra by measuring the h eight or sides of the park).  Get them out to look at what different people do in the community. Walk, stretch, dance, jog, look.</p>
<p>For older folks get them into work based programs…reward workers who do so (less medical costs in the long run). Obesity leads to diabetes, orthopedic problems, circulatory and heart disease and a whole host of other problems. Smoking…unprotected sex (yes for adults…who are also teh stupid, or need to be constantly reminded…or giving the “tools”).</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/12/obama-on-health-care-reform-minneapolis-and-washington/#comment-45626</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That interpretation doesn’t make any sense because it would not increase competition with the private carriers. If you are only covering the uninsurable and unemployed that can’t afford private insurance you are doing nothing to reduce costs of private insurance. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To use the Public College analogy…it would be like offering a special college education to those who never graduated from HS or got a GED. That would not impact private universities whatsoever.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also have an odd point to make…just what was the “John McCain Plan” for the unemployed that Obama referred to. I know about McCains desire to privatize all insurance covered by business and then offer tax credits as recompense by the individual if they bought insurance. But how does this work for the unemployed? Tax credits? For people not likely to have significant income? To people who might not have enough to afford the initial premium for health insurance?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That interpretation doesn’t make any sense because it would not increase competition with the private carriers. If you are only covering the uninsurable and unemployed that can’t afford private insurance you are doing nothing to reduce costs of private insurance. </p>
<p>To use the Public College analogy…it would be like offering a special college education to those who never graduated from HS or got a GED. That would not impact private universities whatsoever.</p>
<p>I also have an odd point to make…just what was the “John McCain Plan” for the unemployed that Obama referred to. I know about McCains desire to privatize all insurance covered by business and then offer tax credits as recompense by the individual if they bought insurance. But how does this work for the unemployed? Tax credits? For people not likely to have significant income? To people who might not have enough to afford the initial premium for health insurance?</p>
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		<title>By: Millineryman</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/12/obama-on-health-care-reform-minneapolis-and-washington/#comment-45625</link>
		<dc:creator>Millineryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So we know Obama gives good speeches, and he gave another good speech today. I believed him once and he let me down, so now why should I believe him again when his actions don;t match his rhetoric?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we know Obama gives good speeches, and he gave another good speech today. I believed him once and he let me down, so now why should I believe him again when his actions don;t match his rhetoric?</p>
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