On Wednesday, NYCEve and I delivered over 63,000 petition signatures of support to Rep. Raul Grijalva and Rep. Keith Ellison who are fighting to organize progressive members of the House to stand strong on a public option. I’ll have Rep. Ellison’s video up shortly.
Both men have been heroic in their efforts organize a new generation of progressives against the party corporatists who want to become the new GOP.
I was really impressed with Rep. Grijalva, and struck by the fact that he is struggling under the profound weight that is on him right now. He is the one who has been whipping the caucus from the start, trying to align them in a block. He has no support. Not in the party or in leadership. There is no donor base who stands by him, no liberal institution that will back him up even as the White House snubs progressives. He is a man who is trying to do what is right in the face of unbelievable pressure to do what is easy.
On Tuesday it all started to fall apart. Four of the 60 who pledged to vote "no" on any bill without a public plan just "happened" to spontaneously mention to the Hill on the same day that they were open to triggers. That afternoon, Pelosi and Reid emerged from the White House saying the same thing. Coincidentally, Rahm Emanuel has been pushing triggers since January.
Rep. Grijalva responded aggressively and I believe heroically, refusing to back down and cracking the whip – with precious little to back it up. He did what we are always asking Democrats to do. He is fighting a civil rights battle and should have the backing of the big groups behind him. He doesn’t, unless I’ve missed something — if anybody has gotten an email or seen a statement from an organization supporting his efforts, let me know. I think that’s wrong, and that there’s no good reason for it. I think it is important to support and reinforce that kind of decisive action and leadership in defense of causes we say we believe in.
In the wake of recent wobbles, we’re looking at our list and carefully evaluating the members whose votes we feel good about. We don’t want to encourage people to give money to members of Congress unless we believe that they intend to stand by their commitments. You’ll find these members with Rep. Grijalva and Rep. Ellison on our Health Care Heroes Act Blue Page. So far, we’ve raised $11,470 and we’d like to raise more to encourage this kind of committed progressive leadership.
The fundraising response to Joe Wilson’s outburst was impressive, but he’s in an extremely conservative district and we can’t expect it to be a progressive stronghold. We should also remember to rewarding those who are always there for us, who we count on to defend progressive values. Progressive leaders like Rep. Grijalva need our help right now, and they very much deserve it.
INTERVIEW WITH REP. RAUL GRIJALVA (PT. 1)
JH: I want to thank you so much for your leadership on healthcare, you really led the charge; it’s been really inspirational.
RG: Thank you. I don’t know if it’s inspirational, but we’ve been…on that issue, I’m not trying to divide the party, or be obstructionist, or try to demean the Obama Administration. As I tell people over and over, we’re just trying to be consistent with what we started to say a long time ago. When single payer got taken off the table, the last toe hold we had left was the public plan. With that removed, then you’re basically replicating what’s already there, and that’s not going to work.
We’re going to get pressure that additional people will be brought on to the rolls for Medicaid. We’re going to get pressure that the reforms being instituted on the insurance companies, regulatory issues. We’re going to get pressure that the law will include no preexisting conditions denial. And, all that being said though, without an independent, competitive, consumer-driven public plan, fundamentally we’re going to end up subsidizing the same companies to pick up more poor people now. We’re going to subsidize…Plan D gets left alone, so we never close that donut hole, and so we continue to spend $850 million a year to subsidize the pharmaceuticals to give the benefit that they should give anyway,
I think there’s going to be tremendous pressure on all of us individually that a win is a win. I think that enough time has passed that we get the opportunity to evaluate what a win is. I understand the intentions; they’re good, but now I think the American people want results. And so, that’s what…
EG: And, if the President came to you and said ‘you’ve really got to do this for the good of the country, vote for a bill that doesn’t have a public option,’ what would you say to the President?
RG: I would say that we’re just being consistent and that we’re not the ones sabotaging this thing. That our insistence on this is based on real public policy and that we don’t want a trigger, that we don’t want a public plan that has no network of providers. I’m open to discussing how the rates are set, that’s fine. But those two fundamental points…just…because it’s all in the definition of how you define what a public option is. If you define as kind of a gesture, an empty gesture, then people can say look I have a public option, it’s the content that’s the issue.
I think the President respects the fact that these are principled issues that we are taking, this is not petty. I’m not doing it…I’m not saying no just to be spiteful or petulant; this is a principled vote – a principled decision. I…we don’t get the opportunity to tinker with huge policy law often. This is it.
JH: Has the White House ever encouraged you on sticking to this?
RG: Yes. I think… the conversations I’ve had with the President have been, "I support a public option, it’s politically rough to try to get it done." OK. And that we insist that, that the fight’s worth it.
MS: Does Rahm Emanuel understand that?
RG: I don’t know. I don’t talk to him.
MS: Does he talk to anybody?
RG: Well, he doesn’t talk to me, but he must talk to somebody.
JH: It’s my understanding that you were the one all along who has been whipping your fellow members of the Progressive Caucus to join together: strength in numbers. I think that that has been really tremendously inspirational to people.
RG: I think it’s time that our caucus grew up.
JH: Absolutely, this is a first.
RG: We have been good soldiers. We have been good accommodators. We have swallowed things that were bitter. And that’s OK, that’s part of the process. But, there come some principled issues that if we hang together, I believe we can be very formidable. And this is a test.





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The CPC isn’t supporting the public option to be petulent. The CPC isn’t trying to sabotage Obama. It is taking a principled stand.
Unlike the Blue Dogs.
Health Care Hero indeed! Thanks Jane for this inspiring interview.
Tell him thanks from all of us.
Forget Rahm. Has the CPC heard back from the WH yet? Has a meeting been scheduled?
President Obama used the one-way conversation of the Wednesday night speech to imply that the ‘far-left’ is the unreasonably demanding party to this bill and that the Republicans are the unreasonably obstructing party. That sets up the split, so he can allege flexibility while ushering in a bill written for insurers. That is why Representative Grijalva is on the defensive: “hey, we are not being obstructionistic.” (my paraphrase). Do we really have a chance to be heard on the public option, when we are cast in the role of making the bill difficult to pass? President Obama errs to call out and chastise his supporters who are calling for a valid, effective, and worthwhile public option, while never mentioning his underminers in the Senate Finance committee and in the Senate. He also errs if he thinks that no one is watching what he actually does versus what he is saying in his speeches.
thank you for this interview, jane. mr grijalva is a health care hero and is doing the work that our president is refusing to do.
thank you mr grijalva for representing all the people.
Not just of Progressives, but of the White House as well. Grijalva gets it; I’m not sure Rahm does.
Rahm wants to keep his powder dry, so that he’s got plenty of dry powder for the sake of having dry powder. Grijalva understands that you keep your powder dry so you can use it when you need it.
Like now.
Thank you Jane, and thanks to Rep. Grijalva. Thank you for doing what’s right and difficult. We do appreciated it.
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Jane you may have noticed earlier that the Teabaggers are having a rally in D.C. tomorrow. Hoping someone in D.C. can go interview them and ask them if they are birthers.
Contacting the Millionaires for Wealth Care. Hoping they will be their too. Saw a the head fellow of Freedom Works this morning on Washington Jounal.
Spin Spin Spin.
Calling the tea baggers “fiscal conservatives” Where were these folks when the Bush administration decided to invade Iraq based on a “pack of lies” Sure did not see these folks holding rallies then or when Bush gave the fat cats their tax cuts.
I very rarely support incumbents — there’s something about a progressive challenge to a corporatist Blue Dog Democrat or a GOP BushBot that opens my wallet. But Jane, you are right: these two are our heroes, they are our inside-men, they are doing what’s good & true — and they have very little institutional support.
So we who are wary of supporting incumbent officeholders simply must open our wallets and pocketbooks to validate what they do; institutional progressivism certainly isn’t going to bat for them, so the grass/netroots must. Where our Beltway Veal Penners fail, we must step up.
Public Option isn’t the best idea out there; we all know that. But it’s the final compromise, as far as I’m concerned: anything less is simply a sell-out to an industry that’s petulant because it hasn’t gotten its bailout yet under the Geithner Regime.
I’m in for fifty for Ellison and fifty for Grijalva. I can’t really afford this right now, but I don’t think America can afford to lose this fight either.
Thank you for everything you do, Jane.
If only all Democrats were real Democrats like Raul Grijalva and Keith Ellison.
IIRC, Mr. Ellison is a Muslim. He appreciates and understands the Constitution. He understands that America is a secular nation with freedom of religion. He does not pander to the people who mistakenly believe that America is a Christian (only) nation.
Is it true that Rahm Emmanuel and Joe Lieberman have dual citizenship with the US and Israel?
Obama and most Democrats have lied to us about the Public Option. They have sold their souls to Big Pharma and Big Insurance for ensured political contributions.
Firedoglake and the netroots will never forget.
Typical Authoritarian Rahm does not talk to the Out Group. He thus can never know what they want, why or to what lengths they will go to get what they want.
Darth had a similar view on energy policy secret meetings no prosecution of Enron for the California power shortage, No regulation of the finance industry, no understanding of al Quieda or Iran.
Its all about what he wants.
The Blue Dogs will be eaten alive by the Republicans in 2010 if they vote for an individual mandate and by the progressives and liberals if they vote against a public option. But they won’t be eaten alive by the left if they vote for an individual mandate with a public option even though they will by the right.
The political calculus for a Blue Dog is simple: no public option, no individual mandate.
Since they can bring in triggers can some one from our side bring in an admendment to open up Medicare for all or at least to lower the age for Medicare to say 55 yrs or there abouts? We need as few people as possible in these damn co ops.
I was just reading about Gov Dean not getting an apppointment in the BO adm and his advice on health care being ingnored. Does that mean Rahm vs Dean and Rahm won but BO and the Dems lose for the next several decades. Any plan the right comes up with is just an ambush.
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Excellent observation. I like the way you think. Rahm is autocratic like Cheney.
Can some heat be applied to Co op Trigger Pelosi? She’s from San Fransisco, ferchrissakes.
What sorry leadership.
We shall never forget.
They do believe that voters have short memories.
You’re right, that’s the ticket: No mandates without a meaningful public option.
It is nice to hear this:
Nice and clear. The president supports the public option. It will most likely be structured a lot like Minnesota Care is here in Minn. and will be phased in over the next four years (perhaps sooner).
Yes
called his office in Tuscon to thank him
Sad to say there are so few like him, that our so called democracy is nothing of the kind if we are listened to by so few.
Thanks congressman.
Very impressive man.
It’s a heavy load that the man carries, but it’s a probably a little easier, knowing that what he’s doing is right.
Doing the right thing always sets you free
Sam Farr has responded to FDL calls. Weasel – he’s committed to a public option, not mention of triggers which is why his office got all those calls September 8.
Time to call and ask him to answer our question – Is it OK to only have a public option if triggered by a failure of private insurers to meet some nebulous set of conditions?
831-424-2229
831-429-1976
Town Hall in Monterrey on Saturday, September 12, at 10 a.m. We’ll meet at the Monterey Conference Center’s Steinbeck Forum at 1 Portola Plaza.
Called and spoke with a gentleman in Santa Cruz office asked for clarification on Congressman Farr’s views on triggers for a public option.
Putting heat on Nancy the Cali pups could answer that one. But what about Harry Reid Jane had a piece about Reid being behind in the polls in his own state.
What do you want to bet a public option polls higher than Reid in his home state?
I think we need to look for more weak in polls Blue Dogs and link that weakness in the Media to not supporting Real Healthcare.
There is a political cost to going against 70% of the voters. At those numbers even Corporate cash can’t save your seat.
Yeah, Obama is more conciliatory to racist Repubicans and Blue Curs than he is to his own base that gave money and pounded the streets for his election. The reward from Barry and Rahm, spit in the face.
Maybe, just maybe he would have more support from the progressive movement if FireDogLake would provide more support for him. He was the first one to take your video pledge on June 24th. For that honor he was given these strong words of support by Jane Hamsher:
“Thanks to the Progressive Caucus for getting us the video.”
Wow, I’m sure he was just blown away by that outpouring of support for being the FIRST one to take a video pledge to vote against any bill without a strong public option.
Then, when he expressed “alarm” and “dismay” in his July 7th letter to the President about Rahm’s trigger comments in the Wall Street Journal, FireDogLake rallied the troops to his support by giving the story ONE sentence and a picture of the letter. That one sentence provided as much detail as my one sentence above. Nice work Gregg Levine.
The very next day, Jane headlines a post “The Calls Worked: Rahm backs off triggers at house democratic caucus meeting”, taking the lions share of the credit while giving Raul a pat on the head for showing “impressive leadership”. Maybe the calls worked, that could be debated, but not really proven. Maybe a little more credit should have been given to the portion of the story that can be proven factual, Raul stood his ground and forced Rahm to back down.
I could go on, but I hope you get my point. The progressive community uses FireDogLake as a resource. If that resource highlights a strong progressive with STRONG MESSAGING, we will rally around that person. Please don’t complain of week support, when your support has been weak from the start.
Corporate Cash protects you when most voters are not paying attention to the issues. It buys you air time and the support of GOP fundi and corporate groups.
Being on the side of Fear after 9/11 gets you Lizard brain votes and to be fair many of us did react like lizards in response to Crisis.
But thanks to GOP failure everyone is concerned about issues and studying them more than they used to in this environment GOP lies can’t persuade the Moderate voters.
I will grant that nothing will persuade the 20%ers.
Most voters do have short memories. Not progressives, however. If progressive wallets were only deeper.
I think more coverage of pols we like and what they support would be good. Its hard to believe Rahm and Darth still get so much coverage I have certainly been guilty of that in the comments.
Rather than describe our inept incompetent obvious opposition we should describe ourselves and what we want.
Raul coming to answer our questions would be a great way to spark interest.
actblue raised over $300,000 for the 60 CPC public option pledge congresspeople within a day of the letters release.
That’s not chickenfeed.
can we do better? Sure. You’ve given some constructive criticism and it may lead to posts with embedded links to show some love to Congresspeople whenever they’re doing something notably courageous and good.
That said, if the initial poster doesn’t include a donation link those of us that read and comment should be on the ball. We can supply the link and the encouragement to reward good congressional leadership.
We also deserve some egoboo, and “the calls worked” post has a lot of value at keeping burn out to a minimum.
“Obama is more conciliatory to racist Repubicans and Blue Curs than he is to his own base”
Complete and utter bull crap.
How much more could have been raised if the post were more than one sentence? My point was that we need to loudly support those who fight the good fight. Stories about our opponents and the bad things they do get far more words written than the good guys. And yes, 300,000 divided by 60 is kind of chickenfeed.
I lived in Arizona for more than forty years and over that span found only the skimpiest handful of elected officials I could even support, much less admire. Grijalva has proven himself to be one of the best and though I could never vote for him because I didn’t live in his district (I lived in Shadegg’s district, shame on me), I never ceased to admire from afar his integrity and his determination to do things the right way.
I left Arizona, finally, and a significant part of the reason was that I could no longer stand her bottom-of-the-barrel politics; still, to Mr. Grijalva: I tip my hat in your general direction, sir! Thank you for all you do.
Rep Grijalva is an inspiration .
As of today, I believe , that the public option has been taken off the table by the democratic leadership . This is a make it or break it moment for the progressive movement !
Please stand by your principles and help us take our democracy back .
“Obama is more conciliatory to racist Repubicans and Blue Curs than he is to his own base”
Truer words were never spoken.
Mountaintop mining. Cass Sunstein. Continued War. Pharma Giveaway. Ben Bernanke. Banker giveaway – no loans no cramdown for upside-down borrowers. Larry Summers. Tim Geithner. Goldman Sachs. Clean Coal. Nuclear Power. Continues Bombastic Iran Rhetoric. No jobs – no solar no wind. No Child Left Behind. Vouchers. Continues Faith Based Federal Funding. DOMA. DADT. Illegal Surveillance.
Thank you Rep. Grijalva!
Thank you Jane!
Donations coming for both of you!
p.s. and Hero is the right word!
Sorry to break it to you Brenda, but that statement is 100% factual. What liberal lion gave us these progressive gems:
-Guns in national parks
-More troops for Afganistan
-DOMA suppport
-DADT retreat
-Cramdown removal
-Wall street blank check
-Close Guantanamo (not really any rush)
-Secret White House Meetings w/Lobbyists
-Pottymouth threats for targeting Blue Dogs
-Fire Van Jones
-Don’t fight for your appointees
-Indefinite Detention Expansion
-Don’t look back when enforcing laws
and my personal favorite,
-Mountain top removal mining in A-okay!
Or the response to you can be summed up with two names;
Rahm Emmanuel and Dr. Howard Dean.
I’ll be looking for you to drum up support whenever there is minimal show the love for congressional leadership. Your criticism can lead to constructive action – follow your advice and act accordingly.
$300,000 in one day isn’t chickenfeed. Certainly we can do better and I’m glad you will be helping with that.
The 60 CPC signatories of the “Public option letter” to HHS Secretary Sebelius received $415,773 since August 18 when FDL began asking for contributions.
Health care heros page has raised a relatively paltry $12,025. Health care heros did more than sign the CPC letter, they took a pledge to vote against any bill that doesn’t have a robust public option.
Show some love the the heros.
(it’s worth noting that Chellie Pingree has received $765,991 via actblue fundraising – she’s been featured at FDL a few times and apparently is a pup favorite).
“I think it’s time that our caucus grew up.” Yeah
Maybe I’m naive, but I can’t see that it would be the end of the road or a calamity, as some people are describing it, if this thing fails because of progressives holding their ground. What’s wrong with adding a PO amendment to it in that case and taking another vote?
Let’s get behind these guys! We’ll flood them with cash and tell them, to tell their Blue Dog Douchebags that except for the progressives, we’re not giving any money to the Dems until the bill is passed with a strong public option. Let’s do for these guys what was done for Rob Miller!
Jane – thank you so much for all of your hard work and thanks to Rep. Raul Grijalva and Rep. Keith Ellison. Jane, I pray for you every day and for a successful outcome. I strongly believe that it’s time that the approx 70% of Americans who say they want a strong public option with no trigger to get out and be seen. It’s good that you’ve been signing petitions, sending e-mails, making phone calls and posting comments. But it will take one more effort. Civil rights were won by being seen out in public. Everyone who wanted real change got out and marched. I’m sick of seeing only tea baggers on TV. Get out on Sept 13th and demonstrate. Make a sign – “Public Option – No Triggers” on a poster or sheet or on your t-shirt and start walking. Both my 89 year old mother and I are in wheelchairs and we have been demonstrating. There are no excuses. The time is now. If you can, go to DC and join the demonstration. If you can’t go to DC then get to your town square, city hall or capital city. Just show up and be seen and heard. Don’t let only the tea baggers be seen. If you want health care for every American make a stand before it’s too late. Find some video of the civil rights marches of the 60’s if you need motivation and courage and then get out and walk. I was there in the 60’s and saw what can happen when everyone stands up. Let’s get out from the back seat on the bus and walk our country into a new era of civil rights of health care for every American.
I just watched Bill Maher and he had Paul Reickoff on and Bill was talking about this stupid march on Wasington tomorrow with Glen Beck when Reickoff chimed in and said that the whole healthcare debate has been wrong. He said that what Obama should do to counter tomorrow’s tea party is to call on every person who does not have healthcare to to pick a day and form their own march on Washington. That would be a powerful scene. Now, Reickoff, for those of you who don’t know him…he’s an Iraq war veteran and he spoke so eloquently about this issue that I literally got chills.
To Annie000! After I read your comment and stopped crying, I told my sister about what you posted and told her to read it. Annie…God bless you and your mom. You’ve truely inspired methat while your march Idea is great, we feel that we may need to wait at least a week so that we can all get the word out. I’m also going to send emails to Rahcel and Keith everyday until we can get them to mention this. Or perhaps Jane could make an appearance on MSNBC again and mention this. I think that if we do it that following Saturday we could really make an impact. Not only would it make a huge statement to the Blue Dogs but, we could really twist the knife if we get the percentages of the people in their states that support the public option and wear that on our signs and T-shirts. For instance, in Maine, which is Olympia Snowe’s state, 60′% supports the public option. Even though she’s not a Democrat, you get the idea. We need time to get the word out to bring in numbers that will crush these ignorant teabaggers and the duplicitous Blue Dogs! Let’s get the word out!
The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.
mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,
lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,
conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K
were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.
Citizens for Tax Justice pointed this out. The tax legislation enacted under President George W. Bush from 2001 through 2006 will cost $2.48 trillion over the 2001-2010 period. This includes the revenue loss of $2.11 trillion that results directly from the Bush tax cuts as well as the $379 billion in additional interest payments on the national debt that we must make since the tax cuts were deficit-financed. Over the upcoming decade (2010-2019), the costs of the health care proposals approved by three committees in the U.S. House of Representatives are projected to be around $1 trillion and deficit neutral(that means they’re paid for). In 2010, when all the Bush tax cuts are finally phased in, a staggering 52.5 percent of the benefits will go to the richest 5 percent of taxpayers. The Bush tax cuts were deficit-financed, which increased the national debt and resulted in greater interest payments on that debt. They never even tried to pay for their tax-cuts. So, for the price of bush’s tax-cuts for the wealthiest 5%, we could have had Health Care for every American. Instead Americans got bupkus and cheney/bush’s republican buddies got filthy rich off of the Blood Money from No-Bid, Cost-Plus Federal Contracts.
12 Million Americans were denied Health Care Coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a Pre-Existing Medical Condition. 12K Americans lose Insurance Coverage everyday. Over 18K Americans die each day because they lack health insurance. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren)
Follow the Money: Link
Call Congress and demand, Single-Payer Health Care for All!
Sign Single-Payer Petition: Link
Don’t let the Medical Industrial Complex steal your Health Care from you and your family by donating huge sums of money to Crooked Politicians in order to maintain the Status Quo. Keep up the good fight.
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Thank you so much Rox! We have been taking friends, neighbors, church buddies and demonstrating every weekend. We have also taken people with us from the homeless shelters and soup kitchens where we volunteer. We have so many who have lost everything suddenly from job losses who don’t have time or means to watch tv or be online. The “new jobless, homeless and uninsured” are very grateful when you offer to take them to demonstrations for healthcare. They are usually at job centers looking for jobs thru the week but are more than willing to demonstrate on the weekends. Everyone can find someone to take. The need is great for many and many are willing.
PS – Mom and I ADORE Paul Reickoff – he gives us all courage and inspiration.
Trust me Annie, I can relate. I was laid off from Merrill Lynch last October, right after they were bought by Bank of America. This is why I have lots of time on my hands and I’ve been just itching to get out there and do something! You and your mom have inspired me and my sister! Let’s go!
I mentioned Sept 13 as the day to demonstrate because of this article I read about Robert Reich … http://www.politico.com/news/s…..z0OemL4KbB
This is another march I have read about …
http://marchforhealthcare.com/home
Also – my favorite site – Mad as Hell Doctors – several rallies in cities across the country
http://madashelldoctors.com/
I sent 50 dollars each to Rep. Grijalva and Maxine Waters, the two representatives I’ve seen fighting the good fight.
I have no illusions that my donation alone makes a huge difference, but if you can support these heroes, please, please, please do.
It’s sad, but money is power these days, and only by collectively contributing can we hope to even have a seat at the table.
To Jane and NYCEve,
I called Senator Harkins office yesterday and they were totally surprised that someone would call and thank Sen Harkin for standing up for the Public Option. Since Harkin has now taken over Ted Kennedys Chairmanship of the HELP Comm. we need to make sure he is not left out of the loop. After all he is the one we really need to force the PO through the Senate.
Everyone and anyone else is welcome to give the Senators office a call or send him a fax. Here is the DC contact info
Senator Harkin
731 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-3254 Phone
(202) 224-9369 Fax
(202) 224-4633 TDD
Tough bargaining is one thing. Voting down your own bill is something else.
Thanks for this inspiring piece, Jane! Lack of agreement about just what would constitute a public option win makes it so much harder to mobilize focused support for a strong CPC stand. It’s really encouraging the way Cong. Grijalva is coming through.