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	<title>Comments on: Baucus Co-Op Plan &#8220;Authored&#8221; By Ex-Wellpoint VP Matches July 31 Mike Ross Blue Dog Amendment</title>
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		<title>By: wedidit</title>
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		<dc:creator>wedidit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Surprise…Surprise…Surprise…Sergeant Carter!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprise…Surprise…Surprise…Sergeant Carter!!</p>
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		<title>By: bzboi</title>
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		<dc:creator>bzboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is totally unbelievable WOW Max is really those, “smile in your face and then stab you in the back” kind of guy.  This is downright dirty.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is totally unbelievable WOW Max is really those, “smile in your face and then stab you in the back” kind of guy.  This is downright dirty.</p>
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		<title>By: djfourmoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>djfourmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;True but nothing is more damming than health care insurance companies turning down claims as was put up by the Cali Nurses and Keith covered it back on Monday.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; We need to keep beating that drum because all they have to say its errors on paperwork, well. That just proves there’s too much paper, too many things to sign and way too many ways to refuse coverage on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; They won’t get rid of the waste, they make excuses….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I don’t understand why they won’t keep connecting Profit with Refused Claims?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Somebody tried to dismiss it on the Ed show yesterday, look 15% of the country is functionally stupid we get that. The rest of us aren’t stupid but aren’t armed with all the information they should be, especially those that haven’t discovered the Internet yet or fear computers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Anyway, I’ve heard of Fowler she’s a paid Lobbyist and Lobbyist tend to right bills when nobody is looking. I think she forgot the INTERNET is out there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True but nothing is more damming than health care insurance companies turning down claims as was put up by the Cali Nurses and Keith covered it back on Monday.</p>
<p> We need to keep beating that drum because all they have to say its errors on paperwork, well. That just proves there’s too much paper, too many things to sign and way too many ways to refuse coverage on.</p>
<p> They won’t get rid of the waste, they make excuses….</p>
<p> I don’t understand why they won’t keep connecting Profit with Refused Claims?</p>
<p> Somebody tried to dismiss it on the Ed show yesterday, look 15% of the country is functionally stupid we get that. The rest of us aren’t stupid but aren’t armed with all the information they should be, especially those that haven’t discovered the Internet yet or fear computers.</p>
<p> Anyway, I’ve heard of Fowler she’s a paid Lobbyist and Lobbyist tend to right bills when nobody is looking. I think she forgot the INTERNET is out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great reporting, Jane. Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great reporting, Jane. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t know if we are obligated to pay for them for life, but as long as we’re occupying them …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Under international and United Nations agreements, the U.S. military&lt;br /&gt;
has an obligation to provide care to civilians and combatants in cases&lt;br /&gt;
involving life, limb, or eyesight.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://pksoi.army.mil/Docs/PKSOI%20Bulletin/Bulletin%20Articles/Health%20Care%20Diplomacy%20PKSOI.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://pksoi.army.mil/Docs/PKSOI%20Bulletin/Bulletin%20Articles/Health%20Care%20Diplomacy%20PKSOI.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In case the link gets eaten (as it sometimes does) &lt;a href=&quot;https://pksoi.army.mil/Docs/PKSOI%20Bulletin/Bulletin%20Articles/Health%20Care%20Diplomacy%20PKSOI.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;click&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t know if we are obligated to pay for them for life, but as long as we’re occupying them …</p>
<blockquote><p>Under international and United Nations agreements, the U.S. military<br />
has an obligation to provide care to civilians and combatants in cases<br />
involving life, limb, or eyesight.</p>
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<p><a href="https://pksoi.army.mil/Docs/PKSOI%20Bulletin/Bulletin%20Articles/Health%20Care%20Diplomacy%20PKSOI.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://pksoi.army.mil/Docs/PKSOI%20Bulletin/Bulletin%20Articles/Health%20Care%20Diplomacy%20PKSOI.pdf</a></p>
<p>In case the link gets eaten (as it sometimes does) <a href="https://pksoi.army.mil/Docs/PKSOI%20Bulletin/Bulletin%20Articles/Health%20Care%20Diplomacy%20PKSOI.pdf" rel="nofollow">click</a></p>
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		<title>By: BargainCountertenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>BargainCountertenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You have to distinguish between the reporting done by the WSJ and the editorial page content.  The editorial page of the WSJ has always been right wing bat-dropping crazy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reporting has always been among the best.  So far, that’s hanging in there.  But the acid test is what happens down the road.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to distinguish between the reporting done by the WSJ and the editorial page content.  The editorial page of the WSJ has always been right wing bat-dropping crazy.</p>
<p>The reporting has always been among the best.  So far, that’s hanging in there.  But the acid test is what happens down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Winski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;With Baucus’s track record of basically being a useless dolt, do you actually believe that the WH thought of two seconds that ANYTHING that came out of his committee was worth the paper it was typed on?? Uh, no.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Baucus and his senate jerk-wad colleagues are afraid of the financial hit they PERSONALLY are going to take if anything gets passed. Baucus is trying to create a smoke screen he can hide behind just like Grassley and the rest of these jerks because they produced NOTHING…Except what they copied or commissioned from this ‘lobbyist’ for Wellpoint…what scum…nothing to see hear…move along…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Baucus’s track record of basically being a useless dolt, do you actually believe that the WH thought of two seconds that ANYTHING that came out of his committee was worth the paper it was typed on?? Uh, no.</p>
<p>Baucus and his senate jerk-wad colleagues are afraid of the financial hit they PERSONALLY are going to take if anything gets passed. Baucus is trying to create a smoke screen he can hide behind just like Grassley and the rest of these jerks because they produced NOTHING…Except what they copied or commissioned from this ‘lobbyist’ for Wellpoint…what scum…nothing to see hear…move along…..</p>
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		<title>By: OldFatGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldFatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, well that’s dated 2004.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I knew, and know, we had short term obligations (under the old “you broke it, you own it”) syndrome.  But when I read that post I thought he was saying we were paying for life, and I feel pretty comfortable in asserting that’s just not true. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We may have paid in 2004, and we may even by paying some today, but unless I see something more definitive than a 5 year old news item, I’m not buying that we’re paying long term.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then again, maybe that’s not what those two posts above were saying, and I just failed at reading comprehension.  If so, sorry, my bad, and please disregard.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well that’s dated 2004.</p>
<p>I knew, and know, we had short term obligations (under the old “you broke it, you own it”) syndrome.  But when I read that post I thought he was saying we were paying for life, and I feel pretty comfortable in asserting that’s just not true. </p>
<p>We may have paid in 2004, and we may even by paying some today, but unless I see something more definitive than a 5 year old news item, I’m not buying that we’re paying long term.</p>
<p>Then again, maybe that’s not what those two posts above were saying, and I just failed at reading comprehension.  If so, sorry, my bad, and please disregard.</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ever since early Clintontime, the response of the left to the indignities and betrayals visited upon it by the Democrats to whom they were always so faithful was:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“thank you sir! may I have another!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that is changing, now, finally.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we can look forward to some major (D) defeats in 2010 and 2012 - the question will be - will there be 3rd Part and (I) candidates ready to pick up the fleeing voters?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ever since early Clintontime, the response of the left to the indignities and betrayals visited upon it by the Democrats to whom they were always so faithful was:</p>
<p>“thank you sir! may I have another!”</p>
<p>that is changing, now, finally.</p>
<p>we can look forward to some major (D) defeats in 2010 and 2012 &#8211; the question will be &#8211; will there be 3rd Part and (I) candidates ready to pick up the fleeing voters?</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I knew I had read this again recently. And thanks John at comment 65, for bringing it up again&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracyfornewhampshire.com/node/view/6700&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Universal care is right for Iraq, Thompson says&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wednesday, March 03, 2004&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WASHINGTON — &lt;b&gt;Fresh from a two-day weekend visit to Iraq, the Bush administration’s top health-care official defended the $950 million that will be spent to help Iraq establish universal health care.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congressional Democrats have criticized the administration for helping Iraq to establish universal health care without doing the same for U.S. citizens.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said yesterday there are major differences between the two countries that defy simple comparisons.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Even if you don’t have health insurance,” said Thompson, who toured medical facilities in the Iraqi cities of Baghdad and Tikrit on Saturday and Sunday, “you are still taken care of in America. That certainly could be defined as universal coverage. Every American’s health care is far superior to what the health care is in Iraq.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, ranking Democrat on the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, responded yesterday, saying the U.S. system doesn’t sufficiently meet the needs of 44 million uninsured Americans.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew I had read this again recently. And thanks John at comment 65, for bringing it up again</p>
<p><a href="http://www.democracyfornewhampshire.com/node/view/6700" rel="nofollow">Universal care is right for Iraq, Thompson says</a></p>
<p>Wednesday, March 03, 2004</p>
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<p>WASHINGTON — <b>Fresh from a two-day weekend visit to Iraq, the Bush administration’s top health-care official defended the $950 million that will be spent to help Iraq establish universal health care.</b></p>
<p>Congressional Democrats have criticized the administration for helping Iraq to establish universal health care without doing the same for U.S. citizens.</p>
<p>Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said yesterday there are major differences between the two countries that defy simple comparisons.</p>
<p>“Even if you don’t have health insurance,” said Thompson, who toured medical facilities in the Iraqi cities of Baghdad and Tikrit on Saturday and Sunday, “you are still taken care of in America. That certainly could be defined as universal coverage. Every American’s health care is far superior to what the health care is in Iraq.”</p>
<p>Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, ranking Democrat on the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, responded yesterday, saying the U.S. system doesn’t sufficiently meet the needs of 44 million uninsured Americans.</p>
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