When Max Baucus circulated his draft plan earlier this week, the PDF documentation page (image) indicates that the "author" was ex-Wellpoint VP Liz Fowler. Fowler was hired in February as Senior Counsel to the Chair of the Senate Finance Committee, and famously boasted that "the reason that I have a lot of friends is ’cause I got to give away money.”
If Fowler did indeed write the draft plan, then how did the same framework and language find its way into an amendment submitted by Blue Dog Mike Ross in July?
Jon Walker finds that "the two documents are almost identical and and sometimes use the exact same wording":
The governing documents of the cooperatives incorporate ethical and conflict of interest standards designed to protect against insurance industry involvement and interference in the governance of the cooperative.
Its governing documents must incorporate ethics and conflict of interest standards protecting against insurance industry involvement and interference.
Walker goes on to note that "at the time Ross’ amendment was submitted many Democratic senators and congressmen were both concerned and confused by Conrad’s co-ops idea. It seemed that Conrad was not sharing with most of his own party what his idea of co-ops would really be, but some how Rep. Ross was provided the document."
Let’s look at the history:
June 1: Senators in the health care debate tasked Conrad with the job of coming up with an alternative to the public option.
June 4: Conrad met with Steven Helmsley, CEO of UnitedHealth.
June 10: Kent Conrad first talked of a co-op plan
June 11: The AMA — who had been doing secret deals with the White House that have not yet been revealed — apparently knew the details and indicated they would support it.
June 16: Carrie Budoff-Brown reports that "a document circulating among Senate staff highlights the similarities between the Conrad co-op approach and President George W. Bush’s “association health plans."
June 24: White House shifted its language and begins talking about a public option that was not profit driven.
On July 20, I wrote that it looked like the White House to get something passed was by running a "co-op crunch," whereby the Senate passes a bill with co-ops and the Blue Dogs refuse to vote for anything else in the House. Far from opposing the White House on health care, the Blue Dogs have been the vehicle for jamming any House bill with the deals that the White House and Baucus cut with lobbyists representing PhRMA and the hospitals. Which is why Rahm Emanuel has been so emphatic about protecting them on health care,
But by July 30, as Scarecrow noted, Conrad "has so far declined to provide more than a vague definition of his co-ops and has yet to explain how such entities could function."
So how did Mike Ross apparently know what the Conrad plan would be on July 31?
Of course it’s possible Conrad just cribbed his plan from Mike Ross. If that’s the case, it means that the Blue Dogs are the authors of the co-op plan in the long-awaited Finance Committe bill. Or, as Walker notes, that there was another source that distributed language to both.
On May 11, the White House received written proposals from PhRMA, the AMA, the device manufacturers, the hospitals and the insurance industry for "voluntary" cost cutting. Those proposals apparently became the basis for deals that the White House cut with these stakeholders, the details of which are still not know, but which appear to have been memorialized in Max Baucus’s bill.
CREW recently got the White House to agree to release their visitor logs. They should release these proposals as well, and be candid about the role that the insurance industry played in the crafting of both the Ross and Conrad co-op plans.



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OT, but anyone have an email address for Rahm Emmanuel?
I’ve sent my message on the public option via http://www.whitehouse.gov but also want to send it directly to Rahm.
Max Baucus the bestest Senator industry ever bought.
Jane,
And that would be the further investigating I was looking/asking about in a previous thread. Thank you. Great work. :)
Man, that timeline will be helpful in pushing the public option. (EW and William Ockham will like the timeline.)
This is exactly the way to attack it: Uncover the ties between the Baucus Bill, Wellpoint, and K-Street.
Baucus and Fowler should be directly asked if there was any collaboration on this bill, and its specifics. They should be asked if they wrote this bill, or if portions were written by others. And if so, who.
Their brazenness has no limits. They now feel they can pull anything over on us, because we’re all such imbiciles.
dirty hippies for taking all the killing toys away from the generals
Anyone filing FOIA’s?
I know I know. Mike Ross looked over Conrad’s shoulder and copied his test paper. Cheater Cheater!!!…./s
Even better — the WellPoint Plan destroys any and all state efforts to regulate the insurance industry: http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..Regulation
Health insurance lobbyists are writing our health care reform legislation. Not surprising in the least, but nice to have proof. Excellent to know, also, that their efforts appear to be bi-cameral.
Some seriously fine reporting by Jane Hamsher.
Get this into the news cycle before the speech.
Gee, President Obama, this whole health care reform crap is looking more and more like a conspiracy between you, the bought and paid for members of Congress, and the health care industry. Do you think we’re stupid?
A textual analysis suggests that Jane’s third option is likely: there’s someone in the background feeding concepts and some language to both groups.
There’s no way to get this into the news cycle before the speech, but maybe Olbermann, Maddow and Ed will use this in their post-speech analysis.
Yes.
This has been another edition of Simple Answers for Simple Questions, brought to today by the American Medical Association and the Society for the Preservation of Corporate Death Panels.
So, do we know which states would win if there is a gutting of state regs? I am sure that is a timeline element to add here.
Well, of course they think we are stupid. They’ve been doing this kind of bill writing forever.
The dirty hippies just created a tubal community a few years ago. The K Street Govt gang aren’t succeeding like the used to…
I don’t think we have proof yet.
I do not understand what this means. How does concealing Liz Fowlers plan, with no hearings for a year, show “openess”. I call it “closedness”.
mad props to Jon Walker as well. a real slog to get to this, although Fowler’s arrogance may have precluded caution or stealth
We should start calling for an investigation of all of this. It should kill the bill at any rate. Let’s get the exact figures on who has taken what and how much was this Fowler woman paid to help write this trash. I’ve also seen a comment from Conrad this afternoon complaining about the deadline being set. Does this clown think we’re as dumb as the people back home who voted for this yokel? The news over the next few days should be ripe with this information. I hope Rachel or Keith gets a hold of this info. We need to totally dicredit Baucus and the rest of the Blue Dogs. If they think we voted for Obama so that they could write the healthcare legislation with their insurance industry pimps, they are sadly mistaken. We’ll take them down along with this bullshit bill and they are the only one’s who’ll be blamed. As it is right now, the Progressives and Liberals are in a great position to paint the Blue Dogs as the one’s who are trying to kill real reform in order to continue to line their pockets! Let’s paint them all as such and force them all to consider merging all the House bills that have a real public option. The Blue Dogs will be painted as the crooks that they are and forced to vote for the bill just to prove that they’re not corrupt! Let’s do this!
Once again, the Internets have better journalism than MSM.
Why do I have the sense that people might start to see the sh*t leaking out from beneath the doorsill…?
Splendid, Jane. Thank you.
Great catch, Jane. Looks like someone has been copying off someone else in doing their homework. It’s going to be quite an adventure trying to find out just who wrote this stuff first.
Gee do ya think they will sign a statement that they DID write the Bills?? Give me a break they are Writing the Bills except HR576 which is the Only Bill that should be passed!
I don’t think that can be answered yet. If state regulations are truly gutted, then no one has any local advantage. If all that is done is that the barriers to interstate sales are removed, then it’s a race to the bottom. Who has the laxest regulation of health insurance policies? They’re the ultimate winners.
It is interesting how some are framing the speech. MSNBC’s headline is:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32…..q_politics
The real point is that they’ve wasted all of this time and have now resorted to stealing or recycling other stupid ideas. On in an effort to defeat the one componet that 77% of the American people, not just Democrats say they want. How will they explain this without looking like they’re ignorning us? Perhaps after tonight’s speech, we need to start thinkiing about a large march on Washington. Perhaps cover the mall the way we did during the inaugration? I think it would put a real scare into them if we could do this. If we have people from every state in the union holding up signs including signs from the Blue Dogs’s home states. It might be worth a try.
That’s HR 676, nahant.
At first I thought I was too anxious awaiting the president’s speech to comment, however I find that I must express my outrage. I do not belong to the NRA and I don’t like guns, yet many conservatives complain that Obama wants to take away their guns. I assume that means he does not like guns, therefore does not have an itchy trigger finger, so who I ask is going to pull the famous trigger, when it turns out that health insurance companies are really in charge – the same wonderful folks that gave us the doughnut hole? I almost wish McCain had won the election – voila, no thinking or agonizing required. He would have told the Republicans this is what we are going to do and this is how we are going to do it, and they would have all hopped like rabbits to do his bidding, and I’m beginning to think majority or not, the Democrats would have just gone along for the ride, following their leader. Anything less than that after all would have been treason. I no longer know why I worked for and voted for Obama’s election. I personally have insurance, and so do all of my family, but I felt I should get involved, contemplating the misery and fear of so many sick people in this country, who have no voice to speak for them. I will reserve final judgment until after the speech, however, the outlook seems rather bleak.
Ugh! They’re a small minority compared to the rest of the party. We clearly have to discredit them and put them back in their places as the coattial ridders in this debate! It’s one thing to stand up to your party. It’s another when you stand against them and with the insurance companies who just happen to be lining your pockets! I can see those ads from moveon.org now!
One of the Dakotas as well as Delaware wrote their non-usury laws very quickly when credit card regulations were abandoned at the federal level. So I would say those two states provide a template for, and may even be light-years ahead of, other states trying to write the worst health insurance regulations.
Of course, you really can’t discount Texas and Florida either.
this is the kinda sh* Goopers could use right about now – not that they aren’t in the bag with Big Insurance/Big Health, but hypocrisy has never stopped them in the past
My guess on who wrote it first: a group convened by Steny Hoyer’s aide who is master-minding the United Healthcare effort and mainlined Lewin group data into Baucus’s committee. Fowler might have been only the designated writer for the Baucus committee.
Or Baucus’s and Ross’s staffs have been coordinating their efforts. So you have Welpoint-Baucus-Fowler-Messina-United Healthcare in the Senate-White House connection, United Healthcare-Mike Ross in the House with Hoyer blessing it.
I was thinking – Montana, North Dakota, Maryland, and Illinois :D
sorry Arkansas, no soup for you, big boys only !
Jane, Saw you yesterday briefly on Shuster & Tara ? (MSNBC) then they broke for breaking news. Any chance you can get back on to help with this expose?
Actually, McCain’s idea was to tax your insurance benefits! And his party would have done all the cash whoring from the insurance industry. I would never vote for a Republican. If Obama screws this up, I’ll do what many have already said they would do. Just stay home. If the Dems aren’t willing to fight for us, why the hell should we fight to get them re elected?
Tee Vee Medical shows are never wrong. Fake doctors from “Scrubs” JD and Turk demand affordable health care.
Jane, I put what I believe to be an updated version of the Whip It! list in this diary. If you and other readers would make suggestions are needed, I’ll put them in tomorrow’s version.
It is truly criminal, the foxes rule the hen house.
Hey, I’m waiting for House to endorse. He’s never wrong – eventually. Until then, I’m undecided.
South Dakota re-wrote their usury laws and CitiBank opened a cc processing center in Sioux Fall. Citi then used its foothold in S.D. fight the fed regs. Interstate commerce and all that shit.
You have to do more than just make that claim.
Trust me, when this gets out, there won’t be anyplace for Baucus and the Blue Dogs to hide. You don’t work closely with criminals when you’re about to sentence them so why are they working with the very criminals who have taken us all to the cleaners? It won’t be pretty! If the shaming is done right, they will sign on as quickly as they can do avoid looking like they’re working with these theives!
Jane — I was listening to NPR this morning and DeeDee Meyers (sp?) was busy telling me how Obama’s mistake was to learn the lessons of the Clinton attempt all too well… How Obama decided to leave the legislation up to the legislative branch. If that’s true, then how exactly did the WH cut deals with lobbyists? If that’s true, then how is it the Senate and House have the same language in their efforts? Alas, true to NPR form, they didn’t ask DeeDee the obvious questions…
I bet Rahm is behind all the “Obama was leaving the legislation up to Congress” bs that is now spilling out all over the airwaves. Yeah, right. Congress can’t tie their own shoes without either the WH or K Street putting their finger on the laces for them. Give me a frickin’ break Rahm.
Thanks for the linky, that’s brutal stuff.
It’s hard to find hope and optimism in much of anything right now.
The SCOTUS and fin campaign reform.
The POTUS and healthcare reform.
Energy fronts.
Jobs.
Sigh.
And, a great post from Mz. Hamsher . . . . nice timeline and tidbit info.
The foxes are guarding the henhouse.
This is obviously just 11-D chess…we’re on the cusp of something big guys. Give him a chance! ;)
Actually, if anyone were to ask Hugh Laurie, he’d probably ask why we haven’t come around to some form of universal coverage system yet. He’s British, and grew up under their NHS.
Kidding aside, I notice that there aren’t any specifics about what Congress is up to and what they or the Prez should do in that video. Rock The Vote is one of the groups Jane identified as being in the “veal pen”, the progressive groups that let themselves be beaten around the head and shoulders by the White House. After seeing this video, I think we can safely leave RTV in that category.
Just my anger speaking. I would never vote for a Republican either. Trying to cool off until later tonight or tomorrow. I think we need to make plans for something really spectacular.
I suspect you’re right. His character, however? I remember an early episode where House scared the bejeebers out of some patient because he didn’t have insurance.
I’ve got Progressive car insurance. Why don’t they have Progressive health insurance?
OOPS typo… hate that when that happens… Thanks for the correction BC(:>))
Why? I think his claim is a valid posit.
Proof, if Mz. Hamsher’s and Jon Walkers info is not sufficient for you, will likely emerge.
Lemme ask ya this:
Do you think our politicians are bought and paid for to enact legislation for the betterment of corporate profits?
Not being critical, just wanted anyone who went looking for the bill by number (is that anything like paint by number?) to find it.
On the other hand, House (the character) doesn’t give a flip about insurance companies or their policies. One of the episodes with his lawyer ex- Stacey had the two of them going to DC to meet with a CMS bureaucrat about House’s penchant for off-label prescribing practices.
OT – is there anywhere to watch Rachel and Keith live if I don’t have MSNBC on my satellite package?
I used to be able to watch live from the MSNBC Web site, but that doesn’t seem to be available anymore.
Big Bad Mad Max wants Republican-assholes to join him. His door is open to them. Not so much open to Democrats. If the R-assholes do not join him he will move forward with the K-Street Liz Fowler plan. He is a real profile in courage.
FWIW, Rick Sanchez on CNN is making a big deal about all the lobbyist dollars going in to fight against health care reform by the insurance and medical industries. Not much and a little late, but maybe this will start getting more attention too in the MSM.
And on yet another hand, have we truly scraped the bottom of the barrel when we care what fictional characters would think about this debate?
Try this
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30….._olbermann
Well, it worked for Harry and Louise!
FWDiva
Bankers wrote bankruptcy laws
Pharma wrote medicare law
Health Care Ins. is writing health Care law
That’s how it is, our fight is an ancient one, we have been fighting for thousands of years of humanity to claim our seat at the table where we rightfully belong.
Thanks to all here for caring.
Um… why doesn’t Obama mention that ***Iraq*** has state-guaranteed (single payer) healthcare for life for every Iraqi citizen? And that Bush set it up, AND… [drum roll]… we’re paying for it!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s a way to draw attention to an issue. That’s good. I was joking bout House, of course, I really don’t care what a TV character would say. You’ll notice, though, that no one other than I has made mention of the veal pen thing in regard to this video, one way or the other. There was remarkably little substance in that video, and there could have been. The reasons are important.
Oh I dunno, the entire August recess Town Hall “events” were based entirely on fiction.
Death Panels. FEMA Concentration Camps. Killing Veterans.
Jane,
Thanks for a great piece that needs to be spotlighted!
News correspondents aren’t usually tagged with “health care debate,” however– what are the best labels to look for, for the top 10 news people who need to see what you wrote?
Oh, and am I just being muddle-headed, or are there some words (maybe “the way for”?) missing at my asterisk from this paragraph-leading sentence, or words out of order?
Thanks again,
Bob now in AZ
Would those proposals fall under the blanket of executive priviledge?
Where in the hell is the line between legal and illegal bribery?
LOL, I’ve been asking that question a lot lately, and can’t seem to get an answer.
Good luck!
There you go! Yes, Bush did that. Yes, We Are Paying for It!
Oh yeah, Congress knows about it!
Got a link to show the “we’re paying for it” part?
He’s lost the mo.
By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer Alan Fram, Associated Press Writer – 29 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Public disapproval of President Barack Obama’s handling of health care has jumped to 52 percent, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll released hours before he makes his case for overhaul in a prime-time address to Congress.
I think we should just start calling this dog the WellPoint Plan.
Rasmussen’s put Obama’s approval/disapproval at about 50-50 for the last month and a half. He’s treading water right now, but if he screws the pooch on health care, he’ll be underwater very soon.
It seems to be theirs as much as anyone’s.
I have “spotlighted” this diary to 10 of the nation’s top journalists. You can, too, by using the “Spotlight” link at the end of Jane’s diary.
Bob in AZ
No, I disagree. The Town Hall ruckuses weren’t based on fiction: fiction has some thread of truth in it. The ruckuses were based on the lowest form of mendacity. That is, they were lies.
I will grant the Republics this: they are very good at sticking to their lies. I heard Newt-the-patoot Gingrich this morning sticking to the Death Panel lie on NPR. He tried to blame it on Rahm Emanuel’s brother. What is irritating is that the NPR reporter let mostly get away with it. He was finally forced to admit that Death Panels are an extrapolation from the bills-as-they-currently-exist.
She didn’t go on and ask the obvious next questions: how are effectiveness review panels different from health insurers formularies (for drugs)? How are pre-approval requirements different from death panels, when a denial will result in the death of the patient?
There are lots of policy issues that could be addressed. One important one: what are we going to do about rare conditions? It’s one thing to look at effectiveness for breast cancer treatment protocols or HIV treatment protocols. These aren’t common conditions (thank goodness), but they aren’t rare, either. You can pull enough people together to conduct reasonable trials.
It’s something entirely different when the condition is so rare that 2 or 3 people in the nation have it. You can’t conduct a clinical trial. As Dilbert pointed out years ago, “The opinions of two people aren’t statistically useful.” Dilbert was talking about a different context (marketing), but the principal remains.
I agree, a lot of his base will walk on him, and I will be one. I pounded on doors and worked the phones for this guy, because I believed in real change. Obama ran on doing what was right for this country and real health care reform “with a public option” was part of the change.
As a left of center progressive, I will not be sold down the river again so Democrats can claim victory with a smoke and mirrors bill, that lets insurance companies continue to reap windfall profits on the backs of the American people.
Fowler was hired in February as Senior Counsel to the Chair of the Senate Finance Committee,
“the reason that I have a lot of friends is ’cause I got to give away money.”
How much was she paid with tax dollars?
Those of you hoping Maddow or Ed Shultz will cover this ,well,that would be the day.
I don’t watch much of the TV clown shows, but Maddow is by far the best on TV.
Louisiana has fallen below Mississippi to 50th in the United Health Foundation’s state health rankings.
The man who comes from the state ranked last in the USA is following President Obama!
It could not get any better than this!
Australians warned us not to allow Rupert Murdoch to infiltrate our free press standards
England warned us not to allow Rupert Murdoch to infiltrate our free press standards
Sir Richard Branson said something like “if we let him, Murdoch will destroy democracy”.
We ignored Australia and England- look at the dumb down we got!
WSJ- Dumb it Down President!
Wall Street Journal- Once one of the most trustworthy news in the WORLD-
Advising the President of the United States of America to DUMB it DOWN!
The USA does not even rank within the top 25 countries in the world for education!
WSJ- Murdoch will be happy with this choice – NO DOUBT!
It’s time to take away his citizenship so he can no longer own and control US news. If his homeland of Australia can do it why can’t the US?
I knew I had read this again recently. And thanks John at comment 65, for bringing it up again
Universal care is right for Iraq, Thompson says
Wednesday, March 03, 2004
ever since early Clintontime, the response of the left to the indignities and betrayals visited upon it by the Democrats to whom they were always so faithful was:
“thank you sir! may I have another!”
that is changing, now, finally.
we can look forward to some major (D) defeats in 2010 and 2012 – the question will be – will there be 3rd Part and (I) candidates ready to pick up the fleeing voters?
Yeah, well that’s dated 2004.
I knew, and know, we had short term obligations (under the old “you broke it, you own it”) syndrome. But when I read that post I thought he was saying we were paying for life, and I feel pretty comfortable in asserting that’s just not true.
We may have paid in 2004, and we may even by paying some today, but unless I see something more definitive than a 5 year old news item, I’m not buying that we’re paying long term.
Then again, maybe that’s not what those two posts above were saying, and I just failed at reading comprehension. If so, sorry, my bad, and please disregard.
With Baucus’s track record of basically being a useless dolt, do you actually believe that the WH thought of two seconds that ANYTHING that came out of his committee was worth the paper it was typed on?? Uh, no.
Baucus and his senate jerk-wad colleagues are afraid of the financial hit they PERSONALLY are going to take if anything gets passed. Baucus is trying to create a smoke screen he can hide behind just like Grassley and the rest of these jerks because they produced NOTHING…Except what they copied or commissioned from this ‘lobbyist’ for Wellpoint…what scum…nothing to see hear…move along…..
You have to distinguish between the reporting done by the WSJ and the editorial page content. The editorial page of the WSJ has always been right wing bat-dropping crazy.
The reporting has always been among the best. So far, that’s hanging in there. But the acid test is what happens down the road.
Don’t know if we are obligated to pay for them for life, but as long as we’re occupying them …
https://pksoi.army.mil/Docs/PKSOI%20Bulletin/Bulletin%20Articles/Health%20Care%20Diplomacy%20PKSOI.pdf
In case the link gets eaten (as it sometimes does) click
Great reporting, Jane. Thanks.
True but nothing is more damming than health care insurance companies turning down claims as was put up by the Cali Nurses and Keith covered it back on Monday.
We need to keep beating that drum because all they have to say its errors on paperwork, well. That just proves there’s too much paper, too many things to sign and way too many ways to refuse coverage on.
They won’t get rid of the waste, they make excuses….
I don’t understand why they won’t keep connecting Profit with Refused Claims?
Somebody tried to dismiss it on the Ed show yesterday, look 15% of the country is functionally stupid we get that. The rest of us aren’t stupid but aren’t armed with all the information they should be, especially those that haven’t discovered the Internet yet or fear computers.
Anyway, I’ve heard of Fowler she’s a paid Lobbyist and Lobbyist tend to right bills when nobody is looking. I think she forgot the INTERNET is out there.
This is totally unbelievable WOW Max is really those, “smile in your face and then stab you in the back” kind of guy. This is downright dirty.
Surprise…Surprise…Surprise…Sergeant Carter!!