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	<title>Comments on: Progressive Caucus, Please Clarify Your Position on &#8220;Triggers&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/08/progressive-caucus-please-clarify-your-position-on-triggers/#comment-43844</link>
		<dc:creator>Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So does anyone have an idea how this “robust public option” is supposed to get into any of the bills currently under consideration? We know that the “robust public option” is not there now. Is anyone in either chamber proposing it? Talking about amendments? How is voting for the “robust public option” supposed to work? We know that there are some good single-payer-Medicare-for-all bills and amendments: Conyer’s HR676 and Weiner’s amendment and Kucinich’s amendment to allow states to create single-payer systems. But where is the actual or proposed legislation creating the “robust public option”? Who is volunteering to bring it forward? Maybe I am missing something about the process but all I see is people pledging to vote for it. Where is it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So does anyone have an idea how this “robust public option” is supposed to get into any of the bills currently under consideration? We know that the “robust public option” is not there now. Is anyone in either chamber proposing it? Talking about amendments? How is voting for the “robust public option” supposed to work? We know that there are some good single-payer-Medicare-for-all bills and amendments: Conyer’s HR676 and Weiner’s amendment and Kucinich’s amendment to allow states to create single-payer systems. But where is the actual or proposed legislation creating the “robust public option”? Who is volunteering to bring it forward? Maybe I am missing something about the process but all I see is people pledging to vote for it. Where is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s a great list. I may borrow it sometime.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s a great list. I may borrow it sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: bnau</title>
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		<dc:creator>bnau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I put this response to the Lieberman story above. I really do like some of the implications of a mandate trigger. Of course this would only apply if PO had to have a trigger, but it removes some electoral liabilities for Dems.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just thought of trigger for mandates too if they’re going for PO trigger. I’m not convinced it’s silly at all. If the priv insurers actually reform with the possib. of there being a mandate they’d have to go along with the PO as well. I think there’s something to this if PO won’t pass the troglodite Sen. That way you may not get the ins lobbies fighting against firing the trigger.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put this response to the Lieberman story above. I really do like some of the implications of a mandate trigger. Of course this would only apply if PO had to have a trigger, but it removes some electoral liabilities for Dems.</p>
<p>I just thought of trigger for mandates too if they’re going for PO trigger. I’m not convinced it’s silly at all. If the priv insurers actually reform with the possib. of there being a mandate they’d have to go along with the PO as well. I think there’s something to this if PO won’t pass the troglodite Sen. That way you may not get the ins lobbies fighting against firing the trigger.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s not true. The internet is this great tool we do not use. It permits us to explore issues in depth and lose labels like progressive and conservative. It can respond to outrageous attacks like the so-called death committees. End of life care is a big part of health care cost. If people realized extraordinary efforts increase pain, diminish the quality of life and don’t extend life all that much, they might accept, even appreciate, a frank look at their options. As it is, doctors suggest all sorts of things to insured patients. Extraordinary efforts are, after all, their stock in trade. We can have something in place by 2012.  It needs work, technical know how and money. I am willing to work.  I don’t have the other two.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s not true. The internet is this great tool we do not use. It permits us to explore issues in depth and lose labels like progressive and conservative. It can respond to outrageous attacks like the so-called death committees. End of life care is a big part of health care cost. If people realized extraordinary efforts increase pain, diminish the quality of life and don’t extend life all that much, they might accept, even appreciate, a frank look at their options. As it is, doctors suggest all sorts of things to insured patients. Extraordinary efforts are, after all, their stock in trade. We can have something in place by 2012.  It needs work, technical know how and money. I am willing to work.  I don’t have the other two.</p>
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		<title>By: Shamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is basically the same plan that little Rahmmy has been secretly pushing behind closed doors at the White House since January. And, now they’re all pretending that this plan is just being arrived at? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I didn’t vote for Rahm Emanuel for president.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. President, sir, you’re a spineless coward and a liar, but at least we’re only going to have to deal with you for one term.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is basically the same plan that little Rahmmy has been secretly pushing behind closed doors at the White House since January. And, now they’re all pretending that this plan is just being arrived at? </p>
<p>I didn’t vote for Rahm Emanuel for president.</p>
<p>Mr. President, sir, you’re a spineless coward and a liar, but at least we’re only going to have to deal with you for one term.</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Nine Absolutely Essential And Non-Negotiable Requirements For &lt;em&gt;Effective&lt;/em&gt; Health Insurance Reform&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. Mandate: so everyone is covered and economies of scale can be applied to reduce costs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. Strong public option: absolutely necessary to prevent private insurance companies from windfall profits that likely will result from (a) the substantial increase in the number of people purchasing insurance as required by the mandate, and (b) arbitrary decisions by private insurance companies increasing the cost of insurance without regard to the cost of the medical and pharmaceutical services covered by insurance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. Tying public insurance compensation rates to Medicare’s rates, plus 5%.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4. Adequate federal subsidies that assure the insurance is reasonably affordable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5. A set of mandatory minimum requirements that every insurance plan must have to prevent the sale of junk insurance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;6. No exclusions for preexisting conditions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;7. No caps or cancellations because the cost of an individual’s health care got too expensive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;8. Portability: So the insured can keep the policy even if he or she changes jobs, gets laid off or terminated, or moves to another state.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;9. Choice: To keep employer provided insurance or to purchase a policy through the Exchange.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The final bill must include all nine provisions because without them, we cannot solve the three major problems: Runaway costs, 47 million uninsured, and 22,000 preventable deaths per year due to lack of insurance or adequate coverage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, this is a backdoor argument for single payer which is the only solution that makes sense. I honestly don’t believe it’s moral, ethical, or responsible to compromise away any of these provisions because we’re talking about a fundamental right to life and the health that’s necessary to sustain it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Triggers are a stupid waste of time because they haven’t worked in the past, the insurance companies have not earned a grace period and, in any event, the law will not go into effect until 2013.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Nine Absolutely Essential And Non-Negotiable Requirements For <em>Effective</em> Health Insurance Reform</strong>.</p>
<p>1. Mandate: so everyone is covered and economies of scale can be applied to reduce costs.</p>
<p>2. Strong public option: absolutely necessary to prevent private insurance companies from windfall profits that likely will result from (a) the substantial increase in the number of people purchasing insurance as required by the mandate, and (b) arbitrary decisions by private insurance companies increasing the cost of insurance without regard to the cost of the medical and pharmaceutical services covered by insurance.</p>
<p>3. Tying public insurance compensation rates to Medicare’s rates, plus 5%.</p>
<p>4. Adequate federal subsidies that assure the insurance is reasonably affordable.</p>
<p>5. A set of mandatory minimum requirements that every insurance plan must have to prevent the sale of junk insurance.</p>
<p>6. No exclusions for preexisting conditions.</p>
<p>7. No caps or cancellations because the cost of an individual’s health care got too expensive.</p>
<p>8. Portability: So the insured can keep the policy even if he or she changes jobs, gets laid off or terminated, or moves to another state.</p>
<p>9. Choice: To keep employer provided insurance or to purchase a policy through the Exchange.</p>
<p>The final bill must include all nine provisions because without them, we cannot solve the three major problems: Runaway costs, 47 million uninsured, and 22,000 preventable deaths per year due to lack of insurance or adequate coverage.</p>
<p>Of course, this is a backdoor argument for single payer which is the only solution that makes sense. I honestly don’t believe it’s moral, ethical, or responsible to compromise away any of these provisions because we’re talking about a fundamental right to life and the health that’s necessary to sustain it.</p>
<p>Triggers are a stupid waste of time because they haven’t worked in the past, the insurance companies have not earned a grace period and, in any event, the law will not go into effect until 2013.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;but money is killing democracy as we know it, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What democracy?  Money is not the only thing killing democracy.  I’ve seen way too many gun-toting thugs stating that if the majority tries to impose their will on him, he will just take what he wants.  Too many now walking around saying if the first amendment don’t work, the second one will.  Things are getting away from us in a real bad way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but money is killing democracy as we know it, </p>
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<p>What democracy?  Money is not the only thing killing democracy.  I’ve seen way too many gun-toting thugs stating that if the majority tries to impose their will on him, he will just take what he wants.  Too many now walking around saying if the first amendment don’t work, the second one will.  Things are getting away from us in a real bad way.</p>
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		<title>By: StarCraftVO</title>
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		<dc:creator>StarCraftVO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe it’s time for a Coalition of the Willing.  All the states who want single-payer pool their resources and get single-payer.  All those who don’t are on their own.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it’s time for a Coalition of the Willing.  All the states who want single-payer pool their resources and get single-payer.  All those who don’t are on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
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		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Maybe progressive fire would be best targeted at the real problem.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That would be a “Roger”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Forgive me in advance for understating the painfully obvious, but money is killing democracy as we know it, and this collapse (if it happens) will be the defining moment when the lobbyists takeover of government was complete.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Should the public option be tossed overboard, the &lt;strong&gt;only&lt;/strong&gt; future political activity I’ll ever support again will be campaign finance reform that eliminates (or at least severely curtails) lobbying in Washington.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because anything else would be a waste of your time and mine.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe progressive fire would be best targeted at the real problem.</p>
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<p>That would be a “Roger”.</p>
<p>Forgive me in advance for understating the painfully obvious, but money is killing democracy as we know it, and this collapse (if it happens) will be the defining moment when the lobbyists takeover of government was complete.</p>
<p>Should the public option be tossed overboard, the <strong>only</strong> future political activity I’ll ever support again will be campaign finance reform that eliminates (or at least severely curtails) lobbying in Washington.</p>
<p>Because anything else would be a waste of your time and mine.</p>
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		<title>By: LKN2</title>
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		<dc:creator>LKN2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Have the mandate only kick in when the public plan is triggered.  Why shouldn’t citizens be given a chance to purchase health insurance on their own, without a government gun to their head?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have the mandate only kick in when the public plan is triggered.  Why shouldn’t citizens be given a chance to purchase health insurance on their own, without a government gun to their head?</p>
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