Tuesday was "trigger" day. Progressive members of Congress who promised to hold the line on a public option were suddenly floating "trigger" trial balloons this morning, paving the way for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to revisit them in the afternoon.
Rahm Emanuel’s dream all along was to neuter a public option with "triggers." You know, like the amazing Medicare Part D triggers that passed in 2003 and just never happened to kick in. You remember Medicare Part D? The bad deal that Barack Obama wanted to reform on the campaign trail, the reform that could lead to $30 billion in savings each year, which could’ve paid for a huge chunk of the health care bill. . . well, at least before Rahm dealt it away to PhRMA for chump change.
Rahm revisited triggers in July, and the furor was such that Obama himself had to walk it back. But a boy never gives up on a dream — particularly an arrogant, neoliberal one like Rahm who is just itching to pass out trillions in taxpayer dollars. So, like a zombie that just won’t die, triggers arose from the dead in Rahm’s attempt to get Olympia Snowe on board a Senate deal.
You’ll pardon me if I have a hard time swallowing the notion that everyone is suddenly spontaneously talking "triggers" on the same day that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid emerge from a meeting at the White House. Whereupon we learn that triggers are not always bad, they can be good! They can be used to punish the insurance industry, and not simply to delay a public option until hell freezes over.
Do I look like Charlie Brown here? How is it that the thing they now want to use to punish the insurance industry is the very same mechanism Rahm wants to use to dismantle a public option? It’s "trigger light."
Sorry — if you want to punish the insurance industry, there are plenty of ways to do it without participating in the rehab of the word "triggers." Because the next thing you know, you’ll be "negotiating" to give Rahm everything he wants.
I’m happy that Raul Grijalva is cracking the whip on the 60 members who signed the letter saying they would vote against any bill that does not have a public plan. I think it’s great that he says that "triggers" mean "surrender." But we need to hear that from everyone else who signed the letter.
Saying nothing is not fair. The people whose lives are deeply affected by what happens here, their constituents and their supporters, deserve better than these half-assed trial balloons and ambiguous statements. They need to state once and for all, every one of them, that they understand "triggers" are a sell-out. Anything short of that is unacceptable.





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Amazing! It’s becoming more and more obvious that Democrats just don’t want our support anymore. It must be true because we can’t trust them as far as we can throw them. They talk out of both sides of their mouths about health care reform, FISA, Torture, etc. You name any important issue and I can pretty much guarantee that these people will LIE to us about their REAL position. I hope the Progressive Caucus prove me wrong about health care but it really smells to me like FISA all over again.
Why the hell is Pelosi so nervous.
Do they think we are stupid?
Because we are not.
Trigger me once, shame on you. Trigger me twice, …
Rahm’s doing his best to scare both Harry and Nancy by invoking the Ghost of 1994 (Rahm version), wherein Evil Pigheaded Progressives Killed The Clinton Presidency And Turned Over Congress To The Republicans Ooooga Booooogaaaaa!
Except that Rahm and the Clintons did it to themselves by demoralizing progressives with various sellouts, such as NAFTA and DADT, well before the health care plan was rolled out.
Don’t forget they also had the “House Banking Scandal” fresh in everyone’s minds at the time as well.
The arrogance of the Dems in the House at the time helped give Newt and company an easy target.
Yup — nothing like seeing the Speaker of the House do time to send your party’s electoral hopes into the dumpster.
saw a report mentioning my rep (mcgovern) today
http://www.rollcall.com/issues…..r_friendly
will call tomorrow. are there any other talking points i should use use in addition to ‘NO trigger’?
Chellie Pingree was hedging today. I saw her on hardball. She hedged on the conference saying she would never say never. then turned around and said never.
Yep.
Am actually pleasantly surprised. At the end of the day, both Capuano and Farr are walking it back — or so I hear.
Pretty good day, IMHO.
Rahm, you lose.
Senate committee chairmanship changes:
Harkin – HELP
Dodd – Banking
Lincoln (even though she’s not the most senior): Agriculture
I don’t think this has been confirmed yet but it’s out there in multiple sources including the WaPo http://voices.washingtonpost.c…..d=politics
because she has to act as if Reid were her equal
ooooh just saw that. hearty guffaws and chuckling here. both of their offices sounded like Fort Apache this morning. was placed on hold three times in one call, that never happens. apparently we have softened the targets
Free Range, bitchez!
The problem is the House and Senate are not dominated by the Progressive Caucus. There plenty of great people in Congress, just not enough of them.
I’ve said it 100 times already, the problem is Congress people from tiny states that are RED overall and to curry votes/support they need to lean both ways.
For them, “The Blue Dogs” they want Customer Protection, but as Matt Taibbi wrote, they botched that too.
The problem here is we should have drawn the line at Single Payer.
“Sorry — if you want to punish the insurance industry, there are plenty of ways to do it without participating in the rehab of the word “triggers.”
Yeah.. like how about if Congress puts triggers in and takes out all accountability or cost control for the insurers, we’ll pass HR 1583 and repeal McCarran-Ferguson. Now that, Members of Congress, would be punishing the insurance industry. We can do that too, if they really want to go that way. I have no problem with it, because it’ll probably break the current system in about 6 months flat and maybe then we’ll get real reform.
Here is a quote from Senator Harkin from yesterday’s Des Moines Register:
http://www.desmoinesregister.c…../909070326
We’ve had a trigger since 1912. So pull it already and let’s have real reform.
Thanks, selise!
I would also emphasize these points:
1) Medicare Part D has “triggers”, too — except that they have never been triggered, not even by the worst crisis since the Great Depression
2) When more and not fewer folks file for bankruptcy as a result of mandates without a public plan (i.e., being forced by law to buy crappy expensive insurance or pay a heavy fine), they will immediately blame the Democrats, thus setting up a 2010 electoral slaughter Better no bill at all than one that does this.
#2 will probably be more persuasive than #1.
I didn’t vote for Rahm. I want representation. I want HR676 or better. What the hell is wrong with the MAJORITY party? Do you think for a second that the right would have gone through this dog and pony show for something they desperately wanted done?
HELL NO!
It’s time to tell the GOP, HELL NO!
We’re not accepting any triggers and anyone who votes for this trash is going to have to start looking for another job!
How stupid is Harkin? You have a hugh majority. Why the hell should you accept anything less? How much of a majority do you need to grow a damn spine? If the Dems want to behave like the party that’s not in power, then we will help them with that goal. Screw this up and they’re finished and that includes Obama! They’d better not take us for granted. The Blue Dogs can kiss my ass! They’re the only one’s who stand to lose their seats of they help kill healthcare!
OK horse, but bad policy.
triggers mean fighting this out again later.
As pointed out at calitics blog, the trigger thing was one way that CA coped with an earlier financial deficit. The trigger, agreed to by GOOPERS, kicked in on car license fees, and the GOOPERS used it to drum up the recall of Gray Davis.
Car fee hike of $4 billion was out, and now 6 years later, we have lost $24 billion that would have made the CA budget crisis, just a challenge, not something that ended health care for tens of thousands of poor people, closed state parks, forced the elderly to lose home health care workers, trimmed school budgets dramatically and saw the state raid local funds-sharing pools, amidst state employee furloughs and pay cuts.
I support a public option without any triggers because it’s the best we can get thanks to bribed politicians, right-wind ideologues and an idiotic media. In reality, however, even it is letting the insurers off easy. They should be put out of business; we can insure everyone with much less hassle by having the federal government do it.
Oh, they want our support alright. They just don’t want our guidance unless they ask for it. When they get it unsolicited, they feel we put them in an untenable situation: we’re standing between them and their meal ticket! Yes, I’m saying they want the money from special interest groups more. Didn’t you hear Dick Durbin? The banks (and the health care industry, including Pharma and insurance companies, et al)own the Senate.
Exactly, Gray Davis told everyone this would happen durring the recall. Now here we are. Why don’t more people pay attention?
I finally figured it out: contrary to everyone’s projections and expectations, Obama just isn’t very smart. We needed a Lincoln, we got an insurance salesman.
Somehow we need to persuade them that the plans as now proposed would be political poison. People will be furious.
We have “Drawn our line in the Sand!” Did anyone hear Kos say it was sorta like our Waterloo yesterday?
Is it possible that members of congress are still being blackmailed as when under Bush/Cheney?
Could that have anything to do with how they are cowering?
I think Obama’s plenty smart. I just think there are too many House and Senate members making too much Insurance money. At the heart of the problem is Campaign Finance Reform.
Maybe progressive fire would be best targeted at the real problem. Maybe it’s time some REAL Tea Parties started.
I mean, however, I might be persuaded with a hair-trigger. One that is MOST LIKELY to be pulled than not. But I still don’t like the idea of a trigger. period. Nope. We need a PO! I am so proud of the Progressives. Look at how we have pulled together on this. There was a full page ad in the NYT on HuffPo to our President today too. And then MoveOn with their REM ad. Brilliant!
CA spending has always been out of control. That will never change.
I did!
Mark my words.
They’re caving. As USUAL. So I hope they all are enjoying being in the majority because that will be ending next year. It’s not only the po we have to worry about. It’s also mandates, fines, triggers. The whole package.
I’m proud of Progressives as well. Trigger, that’s a horse. The song most famous with Trigger in the background is as follows:
“Happy Trails to You, until we meet again”
Evidently the Dems need to hear that song. It’s a farewell to those that don’t behave well.
RRRAAAWWW!!!111
pelosi is nervous because she has figured out that people like us are watching, and that we are going to have a series of scalps if they fuck us.
and they DO intend to fuck us, and not in the good way.
Progressives are coming together on this, largely thanks to Jane. It is an important step forward regardless of the outcome of this crappy bill.
No public option now, no mandate now.
Anything else is insane.
What does the GOP have to do with it?
Nothing.
The GOP was the de facto front for corporate power while the GOP was on top.
But now the Dems are on top.
And the Dems are being taught just how to toe the corporate line.
Elections have consequences.
My above non sequitur was meant as a reply to PeasantParty @ 20…
amen snap!
this will be the base model for action going forward
The Progressives won’t cave on the first vote. They’ll hang in for that. But when the final bill comes with the Senate’s stuff-and no po- that’s when Pelosi will rally the troops and ask that they vote for it. And they will or else they will be perceived as voting against reform.
It’s a massive cluster—-.
If anyone would care to step over to our sister site, Emptywheel has a cross-posted thread already in progress: “The Max Tax Distribution List”
He may be right. Did he say whether we were Napoleon or Wellington?
This is good.
Tweet from Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA): “This U.S. Senator is going to tell him (the President) emphatically that we need the public option.”
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
i think, more like agincourt…guess who we are?
We should not forget that Progressives have the “upper hand” in this debate, and can be further strengthened by ‘challenging’ the Right by bringing forth the historical behavior of the Republicans for Health Savings Accounts. To wit, the Right’s behavior for ‘privatizing’ medical care delivered, means that if successful, the Republicans could eliminate Indian Health Services, the VA Systemic, Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP and other assorted programs managed by our federal and state governments.
Consequently, I will looking to seeing/hearing President Obama speak of these “health savings account” in his challenge to the Republicans. And if not, then, Obama has become a ‘converted’ Neo-Liberal, and to think otherwise, it to live in Disneyland. (my apology to the late Disney.)
Jaango
Contacted Rep. Sam Farr and he says: “I fully support single payer and the public option.” He urges putting pressure on the Senators.
Congressman Farr’s statement
Just as Rahm and Obama demoralize the progressives now.
he common factor is Rahm.
We need to start now to defeat cap and trade because we know Presidents Snowe and Nelson will turn that bill into an oil company giveaway and Obama will bless it.
No longer can we deny the truth that Barack Obama will fold whenever conservatives say “boo” and Rahm will encourage him to do so.
op out. The best pressure is refusing to vote for a bill w/o a public option.
Have the mandate only kick in when the public plan is triggered. Why shouldn’t citizens be given a chance to purchase health insurance on their own, without a government gun to their head?
That would be a “Roger”.
Forgive me in advance for understating the painfully obvious, but money is killing democracy as we know it, and this collapse (if it happens) will be the defining moment when the lobbyists takeover of government was complete.
Should the public option be tossed overboard, the only future political activity I’ll ever support again will be campaign finance reform that eliminates (or at least severely curtails) lobbying in Washington.
Because anything else would be a waste of your time and mine.
Maybe it’s time for a Coalition of the Willing. All the states who want single-payer pool their resources and get single-payer. All those who don’t are on their own.
What democracy? Money is not the only thing killing democracy. I’ve seen way too many gun-toting thugs stating that if the majority tries to impose their will on him, he will just take what he wants. Too many now walking around saying if the first amendment don’t work, the second one will. Things are getting away from us in a real bad way.
The Nine Absolutely Essential And Non-Negotiable Requirements For Effective Health Insurance Reform.
1. Mandate: so everyone is covered and economies of scale can be applied to reduce costs.
2. Strong public option: absolutely necessary to prevent private insurance companies from windfall profits that likely will result from (a) the substantial increase in the number of people purchasing insurance as required by the mandate, and (b) arbitrary decisions by private insurance companies increasing the cost of insurance without regard to the cost of the medical and pharmaceutical services covered by insurance.
3. Tying public insurance compensation rates to Medicare’s rates, plus 5%.
4. Adequate federal subsidies that assure the insurance is reasonably affordable.
5. A set of mandatory minimum requirements that every insurance plan must have to prevent the sale of junk insurance.
6. No exclusions for preexisting conditions.
7. No caps or cancellations because the cost of an individual’s health care got too expensive.
8. Portability: So the insured can keep the policy even if he or she changes jobs, gets laid off or terminated, or moves to another state.
9. Choice: To keep employer provided insurance or to purchase a policy through the Exchange.
The final bill must include all nine provisions because without them, we cannot solve the three major problems: Runaway costs, 47 million uninsured, and 22,000 preventable deaths per year due to lack of insurance or adequate coverage.
Of course, this is a backdoor argument for single payer which is the only solution that makes sense. I honestly don’t believe it’s moral, ethical, or responsible to compromise away any of these provisions because we’re talking about a fundamental right to life and the health that’s necessary to sustain it.
Triggers are a stupid waste of time because they haven’t worked in the past, the insurance companies have not earned a grace period and, in any event, the law will not go into effect until 2013.
This is basically the same plan that little Rahmmy has been secretly pushing behind closed doors at the White House since January. And, now they’re all pretending that this plan is just being arrived at?
I didn’t vote for Rahm Emanuel for president.
Mr. President, sir, you’re a spineless coward and a liar, but at least we’re only going to have to deal with you for one term.
That’s not true. The internet is this great tool we do not use. It permits us to explore issues in depth and lose labels like progressive and conservative. It can respond to outrageous attacks like the so-called death committees. End of life care is a big part of health care cost. If people realized extraordinary efforts increase pain, diminish the quality of life and don’t extend life all that much, they might accept, even appreciate, a frank look at their options. As it is, doctors suggest all sorts of things to insured patients. Extraordinary efforts are, after all, their stock in trade. We can have something in place by 2012. It needs work, technical know how and money. I am willing to work. I don’t have the other two.
I put this response to the Lieberman story above. I really do like some of the implications of a mandate trigger. Of course this would only apply if PO had to have a trigger, but it removes some electoral liabilities for Dems.
I just thought of trigger for mandates too if they’re going for PO trigger. I’m not convinced it’s silly at all. If the priv insurers actually reform with the possib. of there being a mandate they’d have to go along with the PO as well. I think there’s something to this if PO won’t pass the troglodite Sen. That way you may not get the ins lobbies fighting against firing the trigger.
That’s a great list. I may borrow it sometime.
So does anyone have an idea how this “robust public option” is supposed to get into any of the bills currently under consideration? We know that the “robust public option” is not there now. Is anyone in either chamber proposing it? Talking about amendments? How is voting for the “robust public option” supposed to work? We know that there are some good single-payer-Medicare-for-all bills and amendments: Conyer’s HR676 and Weiner’s amendment and Kucinich’s amendment to allow states to create single-payer systems. But where is the actual or proposed legislation creating the “robust public option”? Who is volunteering to bring it forward? Maybe I am missing something about the process but all I see is people pledging to vote for it. Where is it?