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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/07/highway-to-hell/#comment-43660</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Some folks “still believe” in the Second Coming of Christ; most know it isn’t going to happen in their lifetime&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s a church down the road from us that’s called “Jesus Is Alive.”  Those folks must believe in “triggers” and “co-ops” as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Some folks “still believe” in the Second Coming of Christ; most know it isn’t going to happen in their lifetime</p>
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<p>There’s a church down the road from us that’s called “Jesus Is Alive.”  Those folks must believe in “triggers” and “co-ops” as well.</p>
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		<title>By: djfourmoney</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/07/highway-to-hell/#comment-43659</link>
		<dc:creator>djfourmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 05:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is a Public Option for Liability in California. I have it!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Its $425 a year…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; But no comp and collision&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Some states do have State sponsored Car Insurance&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a Public Option for Liability in California. I have it!</p>
<p> Its $425 a year…</p>
<p> But no comp and collision</p>
<p> Some states do have State sponsored Car Insurance</p>
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		<title>By: karnak12</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/07/highway-to-hell/#comment-43591</link>
		<dc:creator>karnak12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know this is way EPU’d, but thanks for the update. It makes much better sense now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is way EPU’d, but thanks for the update. It makes much better sense now.</p>
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		<title>By: djfourmoney</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/07/highway-to-hell/#comment-43562</link>
		<dc:creator>djfourmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That comes out to just under $700 a year for single person. I would be down for that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; You forgot the “fun” part -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; The current adjusted net income thresholds are:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;$20,000 - 100 percent subsidy&lt;br /&gt;
$22,000 - 80 percent subsidy&lt;br /&gt;
$24,000 - 60 percent subsidy&lt;br /&gt;
$26,000 - 40 percent subsidy&lt;br /&gt;
$28,000 - 20 percent subsidy&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The &lt;strong&gt;regular premium assistance &lt;/strong&gt;was enhanced effective July 1, 2005, to allow more British Columbians to qualify and to allow those already receiving a partial subsidy to qualify for a higher subsidy level.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Prior to July 1, 2005, the adjusted net income thresholds were:&lt;br /&gt;
$16,000 - 100 percent subsidy&lt;br /&gt;
$18,000 - 80 percent subsidy&lt;br /&gt;
$20,000 - 60 percent subsidy&lt;br /&gt;
$22,000 - 40 percent subsidy&lt;br /&gt;
$24,000 - 20 percent subsidy&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Under the Canadian system I would qualify for the 80% subsidy based on last year’s tax return. They would cover $518 of the $648 = $130 a year out of pocket.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Its still a massive fail by the media because only Democracy Now has had somebody representing the Canadian Health Care system - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/18/actor_kiefer_sutherlands_grandfather_tommy_douglas&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.democracynow.org/20.....my_douglas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; We need to stop putting our “unique” American spin on the same issues that face others around the world, its ridiculous.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That comes out to just under $700 a year for single person. I would be down for that.</p>
<p> You forgot the “fun” part -</p>
<p> The current adjusted net income thresholds are:</p>
<p>$20,000 &#8211; 100 percent subsidy<br />
$22,000 &#8211; 80 percent subsidy<br />
$24,000 &#8211; 60 percent subsidy<br />
$26,000 &#8211; 40 percent subsidy<br />
$28,000 &#8211; 20 percent subsidy</p>
<p>The <strong>regular premium assistance </strong>was enhanced effective July 1, 2005, to allow more British Columbians to qualify and to allow those already receiving a partial subsidy to qualify for a higher subsidy level.</p>
<p>Prior to July 1, 2005, the adjusted net income thresholds were:<br />
$16,000 &#8211; 100 percent subsidy<br />
$18,000 &#8211; 80 percent subsidy<br />
$20,000 &#8211; 60 percent subsidy<br />
$22,000 &#8211; 40 percent subsidy<br />
$24,000 &#8211; 20 percent subsidy</p>
<p> Under the Canadian system I would qualify for the 80% subsidy based on last year’s tax return. They would cover $518 of the $648 = $130 a year out of pocket.</p>
<p> Its still a massive fail by the media because only Democracy Now has had somebody representing the Canadian Health Care system &#8211; <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/18/actor_kiefer_sutherlands_grandfather_tommy_douglas" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/20&#8230;..my_douglas</a></p>
<p> We need to stop putting our “unique” American spin on the same issues that face others around the world, its ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: djfourmoney</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/07/highway-to-hell/#comment-43545</link>
		<dc:creator>djfourmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was just reading Matt Taibbi’s story on how the kibosh was put on Health Car Reform from the start. Single Payer was put out to pasture and not allowed to be seen during meetings (That were suppose to be on C-Span!).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; The “liberal media” has failed its job basically being “Bipartisan” to a fault for no reason other than do so. Look Conservatives have their own channel, its their fault if they can’t afford Cable or Sat TV to watch it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; They are not doing their own investigations into our health care system and concluding Single Payer only makes sense but to add it might not be politically possible and to look for alternatives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Massive Fail…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; To be honest, Maddow and Keith focus on well, Bullshit. The DOJ has announced they are looking into the abuses by the Bushies; let it go, we don’t need to keep talking about people 90% of the public doesn’t give two shits about. Its too bad we have all those people incarcerated on trumped up charges or no charges at all and I support getting to the bottom of torture debate, but the real issues are HEAR AT HOME and a health care system that doesn’t work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; If the Progressives don’t vote for the House/Senate bill and defeat it, I’m fine with that, but what the “liberal” media should be doing after that is DAMAGE CONTROL and point out that the fight is not over, we need to eliminate anything that gets in the way of reform. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; There’s no automatic that Wiener’s amendment will get into the final House bill, so a vote on Single Payer might not happen anyway.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just reading Matt Taibbi’s story on how the kibosh was put on Health Car Reform from the start. Single Payer was put out to pasture and not allowed to be seen during meetings (That were suppose to be on C-Span!).</p>
<p> The “liberal media” has failed its job basically being “Bipartisan” to a fault for no reason other than do so. Look Conservatives have their own channel, its their fault if they can’t afford Cable or Sat TV to watch it.</p>
<p> They are not doing their own investigations into our health care system and concluding Single Payer only makes sense but to add it might not be politically possible and to look for alternatives.</p>
<p> Massive Fail…</p>
<p> To be honest, Maddow and Keith focus on well, Bullshit. The DOJ has announced they are looking into the abuses by the Bushies; let it go, we don’t need to keep talking about people 90% of the public doesn’t give two shits about. Its too bad we have all those people incarcerated on trumped up charges or no charges at all and I support getting to the bottom of torture debate, but the real issues are HEAR AT HOME and a health care system that doesn’t work.</p>
<p> If the Progressives don’t vote for the House/Senate bill and defeat it, I’m fine with that, but what the “liberal” media should be doing after that is DAMAGE CONTROL and point out that the fight is not over, we need to eliminate anything that gets in the way of reform. </p>
<p> There’s no automatic that Wiener’s amendment will get into the final House bill, so a vote on Single Payer might not happen anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidByron</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/07/highway-to-hell/#comment-43431</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidByron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is this unusual for Josh Marshall?  I had the impression he was on the right wing.  Did he support the Iraq war?  Or was he the one who supported the Iraq war until about 3 days before it started?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still the whole mandate thing seems bizarre to me.  To be honest with the level of aid to pay those bills that the current bill seems to be leaning towards I think it would be a disaster of a bill even with the pubic option.  After all even with a robust option that controls costs and doesn’t wait until 2013 and is open to over a hundred million not 9 (ie a fantasy option that will never even come close to happening), it is still a hugely regressive tax.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This bill needs to be buried.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this unusual for Josh Marshall?  I had the impression he was on the right wing.  Did he support the Iraq war?  Or was he the one who supported the Iraq war until about 3 days before it started?</p>
<p>Still the whole mandate thing seems bizarre to me.  To be honest with the level of aid to pay those bills that the current bill seems to be leaning towards I think it would be a disaster of a bill even with the pubic option.  After all even with a robust option that controls costs and doesn’t wait until 2013 and is open to over a hundred million not 9 (ie a fantasy option that will never even come close to happening), it is still a hugely regressive tax.</p>
<p>This bill needs to be buried.</p>
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		<title>By: shootthatarrow</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/07/highway-to-hell/#comment-43427</link>
		<dc:creator>shootthatarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Write these FDL comments on the fly between other biz — sometimes do try to circle back to edit — often do not being these comment threads move down and off home page pretty fast here at FDL.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My point was what!? A bit squishy? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Take two below–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Take the profit bloat out of current for profit health insurers — roll current regimes inflated overhead/executive officer payouts/Wall St.stock dividends and profits into / towards first steps in creation of American Single Payer Healthcare. Must move towards SPP/Medicare For All. Now. Sooner to be sure. Not later–or never.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gotta run &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ;&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Write these FDL comments on the fly between other biz — sometimes do try to circle back to edit — often do not being these comment threads move down and off home page pretty fast here at FDL.</p>
<p>My point was what!? A bit squishy? </p>
<p>Take two below–</p>
<p>Take the profit bloat out of current for profit health insurers — roll current regimes inflated overhead/executive officer payouts/Wall St.stock dividends and profits into / towards first steps in creation of American Single Payer Healthcare. Must move towards SPP/Medicare For All. Now. Sooner to be sure. Not later–or never.</p>
<p>Gotta run &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ;&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/07/highway-to-hell/#comment-43399</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ghostof911,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The moment I heard that Obama chose Rahm Emanuel, an Israel Firster, to be his right-hand man was the same moment I knew that Obama would keep us neck-deep in war against the Muslim World. And the moment I learned from Glenn Greenwald that Rahm Emanuel is the Dr. Frankenstein behind the Blue Dogs’ rise to power was the same moment I knew that Obama was nothing more than a puppet for our moneyed elites. So I’ve pretty much written Obama off as a president who’ll stand up against America’s war machine and standing up for ordinary working Americans!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ghostof911,</p>
<p>The moment I heard that Obama chose Rahm Emanuel, an Israel Firster, to be his right-hand man was the same moment I knew that Obama would keep us neck-deep in war against the Muslim World. And the moment I learned from Glenn Greenwald that Rahm Emanuel is the Dr. Frankenstein behind the Blue Dogs’ rise to power was the same moment I knew that Obama was nothing more than a puppet for our moneyed elites. So I’ve pretty much written Obama off as a president who’ll stand up against America’s war machine and standing up for ordinary working Americans!</p>
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		<title>By: rkilowatt</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/07/highway-to-hell/#comment-43393</link>
		<dc:creator>rkilowatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Canada Health premiums:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/msp/infoben/premium.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/ms.....emium.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Over $28000/yr income:&lt;br /&gt;
1 person $54/mo&lt;br /&gt;
2 persons $96/mo&lt;br /&gt;
over 2…108/mo&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada Health premiums:<br /><a href="http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/msp/infoben/premium.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/ms&#8230;..emium.html</a></p>
<p>Over $28000/yr income:<br />
1 person $54/mo<br />
2 persons $96/mo<br />
over 2…108/mo</p>
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		<title>By: RBrudzynski</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/07/highway-to-hell/#comment-43378</link>
		<dc:creator>RBrudzynski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The President may be “all fired up and ready to go” for health care reform but his speech to the AFL-CIO made it plain that he only “still believes” in the public option. Some folks “still believe” in the Second Coming of Christ; most know it isn’t going to happen in their lifetime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Change we can believe in” has become “Triangulation we can believe in.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Without a strong public option to reduce costs, Obamacare will be another bonanza for the health insurance industry. The industry will be rewarded with a universal health insurance mandate which will bring in megabucks from the young and healthy. The industry will refuse to insure people with ilnesses and dump them on the “co-ops” or “exchanges” which will be too weak to reduce costs - if they are able to survive at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those who already have private insurance will be able to keep it as long as they can afford it. When they can no longer afford it, they will be forced into the coo-ops and exchanges.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The industry may have to give up the practice of rescinding existing policies for pre-existing conditions - a practice which affects only about 25,000 a year. The industry will consider this a fair trade for another enormous bite out of the American family pocketbook.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We can expect the employer mandate to die with the public option.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The President may be “all fired up and ready to go” for health care reform but his speech to the AFL-CIO made it plain that he only “still believes” in the public option. Some folks “still believe” in the Second Coming of Christ; most know it isn’t going to happen in their lifetime.</p>
<p>“Change we can believe in” has become “Triangulation we can believe in.”</p>
<p>Without a strong public option to reduce costs, Obamacare will be another bonanza for the health insurance industry. The industry will be rewarded with a universal health insurance mandate which will bring in megabucks from the young and healthy. The industry will refuse to insure people with ilnesses and dump them on the “co-ops” or “exchanges” which will be too weak to reduce costs &#8211; if they are able to survive at all.</p>
<p>Those who already have private insurance will be able to keep it as long as they can afford it. When they can no longer afford it, they will be forced into the coo-ops and exchanges.</p>
<p>The industry may have to give up the practice of rescinding existing policies for pre-existing conditions &#8211; a practice which affects only about 25,000 a year. The industry will consider this a fair trade for another enormous bite out of the American family pocketbook.</p>
<p>We can expect the employer mandate to die with the public option.</p>
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