Comments on: Van Jones: A Moment of Truth For Liberal Institutions in the Veal Pen http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:37:02 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: sunshine http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43323 sunshine Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:48:38 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43323 <p>Faux scifinews says it’s the Independants that will decide what the health care bill will contain.</p> Faux scifinews says it’s the Independants that will decide what the health care bill will contain.

]]> By: newtonusr http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43228 newtonusr Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:34:16 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43228 <p>I love it when troofers make my case for me by linking to this material.<br /> And you are so welcome.</p> I love it when troofers make my case for me by linking to this material.
And you are so welcome.

]]> By: Adam503 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43226 Adam503 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:21:34 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43226 <p>“OMG, talk about missing the mark.</p> <p> The Commonwealth Club of California disagrees.</p> <p>In case you don’t know it, the Commonwealth Club pick a few speakers each year to spit at. They wear bibs for the event and everything.</p> <p>An epic fail, nice try.”</p> <p>Hey there Newton!</p> <p>David Ray Griffin a professor of theology, author of 32 books, several related to the topic of 9/11 Truth, already spoke to the Commonwealth Club of California, in March of 2006.</p> <p>Here’s the video from that event (which is full of lots of applause, but seems to be completely free of spitballs and bibs)</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NravnBACmS0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NravnBACmS0</a></p> <p>Epic fail right back at you, duuuuuude ;)</p> “OMG, talk about missing the mark.

The Commonwealth Club of California disagrees.

In case you don’t know it, the Commonwealth Club pick a few speakers each year to spit at. They wear bibs for the event and everything.

An epic fail, nice try.”

Hey there Newton!

David Ray Griffin a professor of theology, author of 32 books, several related to the topic of 9/11 Truth, already spoke to the Commonwealth Club of California, in March of 2006.

Here’s the video from that event (which is full of lots of applause, but seems to be completely free of spitballs and bibs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NravnBACmS0

Epic fail right back at you, duuuuuude ;)

]]> By: newtonusr http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43225 newtonusr Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:50:07 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43225 <p>OMG, talk about missing the mark.</p> <blockquote><p>The Commonwealth Club of California disagrees.</p></blockquote> <p>In case you don’t know it, the Commonwealth Club pick a few speakers each year to spit at. They wear bibs for the event and everything.</p> <p>An epic fail, nice try.</p> OMG, talk about missing the mark.

The Commonwealth Club of California disagrees.

In case you don’t know it, the Commonwealth Club pick a few speakers each year to spit at. They wear bibs for the event and everything.

An epic fail, nice try.

]]> By: Adam503 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43224 Adam503 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:43:38 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43224 <p>“People who believe in a 9/11 conspiracy reveal a mental weakness so fundamental - and express a position so insanely odious - that they ought not be let near any position of responsibility in government. That 35% of Democrats believed this in 2007 says something about Democrats but doesn’t change the issue at hand in any way.</p> <p>Don’t stand behind any 9/11 Truthers, ever. Fire them first and ask questions later.”</p> <p>The Commonwealth Club of California disagrees. Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth will be speaking to the Commonwealth Club of California tomorrow night.</p> <p>09/08/09<br /> Richard Gage: 9/11 Blueprint for Truth, Reexamining the WTC Collapses<br /> Gage shares his controversial findings on what he believes REALLY brought down the Trade towers on 9/11<br /> 9/11 Blueprint for Truth: Re-examining the WTC Collapses</p> <p>Richard Gage, AIA, Founder, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth</p> <p>Five years after the 9/11 Commission published its report, some people question the official findings on what brought down the World Trade Center. In a multimedia program, Gage contends that forensic evidence and eyewitness testimony reveal explosive-controlled demolition of the WTC skyscrapers on 9/11. Fact or fiction? Don’t miss this opportunity to hear Gage’s bold and controversial address, and have the chance to put your tough questions to the speaker.</p> <p>MLF: International Relations<br /> Location: SF Club Office<br /> Time: 5:30 p.m. networking, 6 p.m. program<br /> Cost: $8 members, $15 non-members”</p> <p><a href="http://tickets.commonwealthclub.org/auto_choose_ga.asp?area=1&shcode=1318" rel="nofollow">http://tickets.commonwealthclu.....hcode=1318</a></p> “People who believe in a 9/11 conspiracy reveal a mental weakness so fundamental – and express a position so insanely odious – that they ought not be let near any position of responsibility in government. That 35% of Democrats believed this in 2007 says something about Democrats but doesn’t change the issue at hand in any way.

Don’t stand behind any 9/11 Truthers, ever. Fire them first and ask questions later.”

The Commonwealth Club of California disagrees. Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth will be speaking to the Commonwealth Club of California tomorrow night.

09/08/09
Richard Gage: 9/11 Blueprint for Truth, Reexamining the WTC Collapses
Gage shares his controversial findings on what he believes REALLY brought down the Trade towers on 9/11
9/11 Blueprint for Truth: Re-examining the WTC Collapses

Richard Gage, AIA, Founder, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Five years after the 9/11 Commission published its report, some people question the official findings on what brought down the World Trade Center. In a multimedia program, Gage contends that forensic evidence and eyewitness testimony reveal explosive-controlled demolition of the WTC skyscrapers on 9/11. Fact or fiction? Don’t miss this opportunity to hear Gage’s bold and controversial address, and have the chance to put your tough questions to the speaker.

MLF: International Relations
Location: SF Club Office
Time: 5:30 p.m. networking, 6 p.m. program
Cost: $8 members, $15 non-members”

http://tickets.commonwealthclu…..hcode=1318

]]> By: Adam503 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43222 Adam503 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:34:55 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43222 <p>Just found this article via Brad Friedman</p> <p>Hi… my name is Adam and I’ll be your 9/11 Truther today.</p> <p>I hope this might be a good time to point out that what happened to Van Jones probable also shows that the Bill Maher/Huffington Post/Daily Kos school of thought on dealing with controversial progressive topics by throwing out and cursing at anyone/everyone that dares bringing up that controversial subject matter hasn’t been real effective.</p> <p>The Democratic Party probably just lost Van Jones as a candidate, maybe forever, and as for us 9/11 Truthers, we’re not only still here, Richard Gage from Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is speaking to the Commonwealth Club in SF tomorrow night…</p> <p><a href="http://tickets.commonwealthclub.org/auto_choose_ga.asp?area=1&shcode=1318" rel="nofollow">http://tickets.commonwealthclu.....hcode=1318</a></p> <p>So… anyone think a truce sounds like a good idea between those who mostly just want to see some/any investigation of the events that happened on Sept 11, 2001 that includes evidence gathering, sworn testimony, etc.</p> Just found this article via Brad Friedman

Hi… my name is Adam and I’ll be your 9/11 Truther today.

I hope this might be a good time to point out that what happened to Van Jones probable also shows that the Bill Maher/Huffington Post/Daily Kos school of thought on dealing with controversial progressive topics by throwing out and cursing at anyone/everyone that dares bringing up that controversial subject matter hasn’t been real effective.

The Democratic Party probably just lost Van Jones as a candidate, maybe forever, and as for us 9/11 Truthers, we’re not only still here, Richard Gage from Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is speaking to the Commonwealth Club in SF tomorrow night…

http://tickets.commonwealthclu…..hcode=1318

So… anyone think a truce sounds like a good idea between those who mostly just want to see some/any investigation of the events that happened on Sept 11, 2001 that includes evidence gathering, sworn testimony, etc.

]]> By: idahotux http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43213 idahotux Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:36:27 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43213 <p>Wishful thinking to think blacks and latinos will turn out in force for the 2010 election. The Dem’s election headquarters are going to be ghost towns compared to 2008 because the wind has been sucked out of the movement.</p> Wishful thinking to think blacks and latinos will turn out in force for the 2010 election. The Dem’s election headquarters are going to be ghost towns compared to 2008 because the wind has been sucked out of the movement.

]]> By: idahotux http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43212 idahotux Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:33:32 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43212 <p>.</p> .

]]> By: ezdidit http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43211 ezdidit Tue, 08 Sep 2009 03:36:16 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43211 <p>MTP with David Gregory makes them <strong>ripe for a world’s worst.</strong> And they think Chris Wallace’s ivw wi Cheney was a blow job? This nonsense <strong>show was 3 card monte!</strong></p> <p>(Friedman’s barely qualified as a <strong>shill!</strong>) And when was CAP and John Podesta ever progressive? These people are <strong>all vile villagers</strong>, beholden to corporations that fund them. I particularly like <strong>what Friedman said about the internet.</strong> hehehe. Did I say he’s an ass^^le? </p> <p>I wouldn’t be surprised if <strong>they sent money to Dick Armey.</strong></p> MTP with David Gregory makes them ripe for a world’s worst. And they think Chris Wallace’s ivw wi Cheney was a blow job? This nonsense show was 3 card monte!

(Friedman’s barely qualified as a shill!) And when was CAP and John Podesta ever progressive? These people are all vile villagers, beholden to corporations that fund them. I particularly like what Friedman said about the internet. hehehe. Did I say he’s an ass^^le?

I wouldn’t be surprised if they sent money to Dick Armey.

]]> By: sporkovat http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43208 sporkovat Tue, 08 Sep 2009 02:13:05 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/#comment-43208 <p>more and more commenters are seeing the light on this - it is clearly a groundswell of people who have seen the Democratic Party as the threadbare sham that it is.</p> <p>but, to extend Jane’s powerful metaphor, there is the veal pen, but beyond that there is a range of domesticated livestock - some in pens, but given hay, some even pasture raised and hormone free, like perhaps FDL, on a good day.</p> <p>Most of these livestock have no idea what freedom is, and claim not to want it. Their home is defined by the enclosures the Democratic Party gives them. It is allowed to have a primary challenge, so they can advocate that if the swill is getting too foul.</p> <p>But kicking down the gates and bolting? that is <em>waaaay</em> too scary, and discussions of this taboo subject become heated, when (D) defenders deign to discuss this with apostates.</p> <p>Even the proudest beeves on the prairie end up being served up to the masters of the corporate Party duopoly, just like the veal calves.</p> more and more commenters are seeing the light on this – it is clearly a groundswell of people who have seen the Democratic Party as the threadbare sham that it is.

but, to extend Jane’s powerful metaphor, there is the veal pen, but beyond that there is a range of domesticated livestock – some in pens, but given hay, some even pasture raised and hormone free, like perhaps FDL, on a good day.

Most of these livestock have no idea what freedom is, and claim not to want it. Their home is defined by the enclosures the Democratic Party gives them. It is allowed to have a primary challenge, so they can advocate that if the swill is getting too foul.

But kicking down the gates and bolting? that is waaaay too scary, and discussions of this taboo subject become heated, when (D) defenders deign to discuss this with apostates.

Even the proudest beeves on the prairie end up being served up to the masters of the corporate Party duopoly, just like the veal calves.

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