I first met Van Jones when he was honored last year by the Campaign for America’s Future at their gala dinner. He was being swarmed by all of the liberal institutional elite, who just could not be more full of praise for the impressive environmental leader and prison reform organizer. Everybody wanted Van Jones on their board. Everyone wanted him at their fundraisers. Everyone wanted a piece of his formidable limelight.
Now he’s been thrown under the bus by the White House for signing his name to a petition expressing something that 35% of all Democrats believed as of 2007 — that George Bush knew in advance about the attacks of 9/11. Well, that and calling Republicans "assholes." I’m pretty sure that if you search through the histories of every single liberal leader at the CAF dinner that night, they have publicly said that and worse.
So where are all the statements defending Van Jones by those who were willing to exploit him when it served their purpose? Why aren’t they standing up and defending one of their own, who has done nothing that probably the majority of people in the Democratic party haven’t done at one time or another? Is he no longer "one of their own?"
Someone asked me over the weekend to be more explicit about what the term "veal pen" means:
The veal crate is a wooden restraining device that is the veal calf’s permanent home. It is so small (22" x 54") that the calves cannot turn around or even lie down and stretch and is the ultimate in high-profit, confinement animal agriculture.(1) Designed to prevent movement (exercise), the crate does its job of atrophying the calves’ muscles, thus producing tender "gourmet" veal.
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About 14 weeks after their birth, the calves are slaughtered. The quality of this "food," laden with chemicals, lacking in fiber and other nutrients, diseased and processed, is another matter. The real issue is the calves’ experience. During their brief lives, they never see the sun or touch the Earth. They never see or taste the grass. Their anemic bodies crave proper sustenance. Their muscles ache for freedom and exercise. They long for maternal care. They are kept in darkness except to be fed two to three times a day for 20 minutes.
Soon after the election, the Administration began corralling the big liberal DC interest groups into a variety of organizations and communication networks through which they telegraphed their wishes — into a virtual veal pen. The 8:45 am morning call co-hosted by the "liberal" Center for American Progress, Unity 09, and Common Purpose are just a few of the overt ways that the White House controls its left flank and maintains discipline.
My own experience with the Veal Pen came indirectly, when some of them had the temerity to launch a campaign against Blue Dogs. They were rebuked and humiliated in front of their peers as a lesson to them all at a Common Purpose meeting, which is run by lobbyist Erik Smith. White House communications director Ellen Moran attends. It isn’t an arms-length relationship between these groups and the administration.
A few weeks ago, Rahm Emanuel showed up at a Common Purpose meeting and called these liberal groups "fucking stupid" for going after Blue Dogs on health care and ordered them not to do so any more. Since that time, to the best of my knowledge, none of them have.
These organizations may kid themselves that they’re doing no harm, but that’s not true. They are the institutional liberal validators who telegraph to liberals that there are problems, that things are happening that are not good for them. They are trusted to decode the byzantine rituals of government and let the public know when their interests are not being served, that it’s time to pay attention and start making a racket. When they fail to perform that task, the public is left with a vague feeling of anxiety, intuitively understanding that something is wrong but not knowing who or what to blame.
When the White House met with bankers after the AIG scandal and they said they didn’t want to be criticized for getting huge bonuses paid for by taxpayers, the White House complied and "cooled their rhetoric." The President told the public that Timothy Geithner had been instructed to do everything in his power to claw back those bonuses, and the House passed a bill doing just that. But it died in the Senate.
You remember all those campaigns by the unions, by the online groups, by liberal economics and finance organizations pushing the Senate to take it up?
Yeah, me either.
Which means that the teabaggers were in perfect position to harvest all of the discontent over the bank bailout, and no coherent liberal critique was offered. I heard it over and over again — if you wanted to criticize the White House on financial issues, your institutional funding would dry up instantly. The Obama campaign successfully telegraphed to donors that they should cut off Fund for America, which famously led to its demise. It wasn’t the last time something like that happened — just ask those who were receiving institutional money who criticized the White House and saw their funding cut, at the specific request of liberal institutional leaders who now principally occupy their time by brown nosing friends and former co-workers in the White House.
And so the groups in the DC veal pen stay silent. They leadership gets gets bought off by cocktail parties at the White House while the interests of their members get sold out. How many have openly pushed back against the Administration on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell or DOMA? Well, not many. Most tried to satisfy their LGBT members by outsourcing activism to other organizations, or proving their bona fides by getting involved in the Prop 8 battle that is not directly toxic to the White House. It’s a chickenshit sidestep that betrays their members in the interest of personal gain, which they justify with feeble self-serving palliatives about the importance of "maintaining a seat at the table."
Where are they on health care? Why aren’t they running ads against the AMA, the hospitals, the insurance industry barons who have $700 million in stock options, PhRMA, the device manufacturers and the White House for doing back room deals with all of the above?
Why are they not calling for the White House to release the details of those secret deals?
Because they are participating in those deals, instead of trying to destroy them. Well, that and funneling millions of dollars in pass-throughs to their consultant friends that they are supposed to be spending on the health care fight.
The truth is — they’ve all been sucked into insulating the White House from liberal critique, and protecting the administration’s ability to carry out a neoliberal agenda that does not serve the interests of their members. They spend their time calculating how to do the absolute minimum to retain their progressive street cred and still walk the line of never criticizing the White House.
Liberals are told that the public option is an acceptable sacrifice such that we don’t repeat the 54 seat swing to the GOP after health care failed in 1994. The President told Progressive members of Congress that they should think about the poor Blue Dogs (who by happy coincidence are sucking up all the health care lobbying dollars) who might face tough elections in 2010.
Well, now that you bring it up, let’s talk about 1994. The election came on the heels of NAFTA, which demoralized the liberal base and depressed turnout. Even as the GOP works hard to rile up their teabaggers base and push turnout numbers up for the 2010 midterm, Democrats are watching the public option die and seeing Van Jones thrown into the meat grinder so Blue Cross and the Blue Dogs can get a room. Telling progressives to go Cheney themselves to save the Blue Dogs could have horrendous consequences on downticket races across the country.
So where are the liberal groups in all of this? Van Jones was a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress. Where are they? As Jeremy Scahill notes, I guess they have better things to do, like argue for more war:
Reading the Center for American Progress‘ new report supporting President Obama’s escalation of the US war against Afghanistan is a very powerful reminder of how much neoliberals and neocons are alike. This, of course, is not some genius observation, particularly since CAP and the neocons are making it hard to miss, what with their love triangle with the war. Indeed, CAP’s launch event for its report, "Sustainable Security in Afghanistan: Crafting an Effective and Responsible Strategy for the Forgotten Front," included a leading neocon, Frederick Kagan and was promoted by William Kristol’s new version of the Project for a New American Century, the Foreign Policy Initiative. So, here is part of what we are seeing unfold: Running parallel to the bi-partisan war machine within the official government is a coordinated campaign in the shadow government — the think tanks. Or, as Naomi Klein describes them, the people paid to think by the makers of tanks. CAPs particular role in this campaign appears to be attempting to sell Obama’s war.
CAP’s John Podesta is also a partner in the Podesta Group,* his brother’s lobbying shop that is representing WalMart against the Employee Free Choice Act. This morning on Fox & Friends, Podesta wouldn’t say a word in Jones’ defense for doing something no worse than what elected Republican members of Congress do on a daily basis. The message is loud and clear: incur the wrath of the right wing, and you’re on your own.
Wow, is that a way to encourage your team or what.
If these groups, if these liberal leaders, let Jones just hang there while Glenn Beck pounds his chest and celebrates the scalp, we have no liberal institutions. What we have are a bunch of neoliberal enablers who have found a nice comfortable place in the DC establishment that they don’t want to jeopardize, a place on the new K-Street gravy train that they don’t want to lose. Dropping Van Jones from their rolodex is a small price to pay.
If there is going to be a serious progressive movement in this country capable of standing up for health care against an industry that spends $1.4 million a day on lobbying, we can’t just look to the members of the Progressive Caucus and say "hey, you, get something done." They need cover. They need to know that they will be supported. And people like Van Jones who have given their lives to causes we say we value like prison reform and environmental advocacy need to know that they will be defended, and not handed over to Glenn Beck as an acceptable casualty in the battle for K-Street dollars.
So to all you liberal organizations in the "veal pen" — this is your moment of truth. I get all your emails. And the next Common Purpose meeting is probably on Tuesday. If you can’t get it together to at least put out a statement of support for Van Jones and condemn the White House for using him as a sacrificial lamb to right wing extremists that will devour us all if left unchecked, it’s time to add "proudly liberal only when it doesn’t matter" to your logo and be done with it.
* A spokesman for the Center for American Progress says that John Podesta no longer has a financial interest in the Podesta Group.





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You hit all the pertinent points and did so beautifully! Many thnx. Here’s another supporting article, too.
Feel better?
I do.
Well said, Jane!
You know, I’ve heard stuff about what Rahm Emanuel says that make the comments by Jones look positively benign (which they were, when viewed in their proper context). Funny how his job is never in jeopardy, even though he’s objectively far more harmful to Obama and the Democrats, especially where 2010 and 2012 are concerned!
Snap.
Thanks, Jane
Its’ the same old song – get near power and money and you lose your head.
Thanks, Jane. I feel better, too.
I have to say, I’m a little bit shocked at just how easily Obama is rolling over in the face of wingnut bullshit.
I expected some, because, hey, Democratic Party, it’s what they do.
But this is ridiculous.
But liberals don’t play ‘Rock ‘em Sock ‘em’ politics! It interferes with their subjective perception that they travel the high road less taken. Everybody maintains their fictions in different ways, but unfortunately establishment ‘progressives’ tend to display rather convoluted gyrations while doing so.
Call conservatives what one wishes – ‘Assholes, sexual deviants, seditionists and traitors to country, willing supplicants of corporate fascism’ come to mind as ready descriptions – but progressives big and small would do well to study the Right’s clarity of purpose in the pursuit of their noxious agenda.
;>)
No fucking shit.
Okay, well I guess there go ambitions for a gig at the White House. Except for maybe Chief of Staff.
During the 2000 presidential election campaign, Bush made a remark to Cheney at an event, I think he called his supporters assholes. I’m sure you all remember it, it was covered by the MSM. I don’t remember the exact words. Can anyone here recall? I looked on YouTube but didn’t find it.
Triangulating, favorite WH pasttime it seems.
Here is an interesting column written by Steve Lopez in the LA Times:
Looking for common ground in Glenn Beck country
Here’s the difference between Van Jones and Rahm: Rahm never uses a simple single, stand-alone noun when it can be strengthened by three or four well-chosen and highly (ahem) unprintable adjectives.
Cheney told Senator Leahey to “go f*** himself” on the floor of the Senate. Did he have to resign? He didn’t even apologize. In fact his wife justified the statement.
Rules are different for Republicans, vastly different.
Charlie Pierce comment on facebook:
I just tweeted the following:
“I’m calling the White House demanding Van Jones be reinstated – are you?”
Hope others will make the same demand – particularly since Jane is so right that the veal pen will do nothing.
This is why I read FDL every day. Spot on.
Unless you’re a Republican president, in which case you go to extreme lengths to cater to your base. Remember the Terri Schiavo mess?
Sigh. This is what Prop 13 has wrought.
It seems to me that being honest in politics horrifies the professionals. It makes the ”prudent and calculated” [less than honest…] actors and figures seem morally and ethically small. That’s unforgivable in their world, I guess. I wouldn’t really know. I can’t get within 500 yards of the gate [my vocabulary is a bazooka, and I am a real person].
Plus, as the full quote showed, Jones called himself one, too, and it was obvious that he meant ‘asshole’ as both ‘obnoxious person’ and ’someone who works hard at one’s goals’.
Exactly!
MrWhy, he actually called a reporter an asshole. Major-League, as I recall.
It was kind of a surprise to me because, as a reporter, I wasn’t aware that we HAD leagues, and I’m wondering when and where the tryouts are.
And, let’s be honest here, Bush (and Cheney) are world-class experts when it comes to assholery.
No kidding — especially as most of the people I know haven’t even heard of Van Jones, much less this bit of hissy kabuki directed at him.
Yup. He was talking about the NYT’s Adam Clymer.
You’d think Rahm would be a big scalp for Beck and Limbaugh, probably the biggest they could get short of impeachment. They aren’t going after him though.
Can colorofchange become more aggressive now that Van isn’t in the administration? Maybe we can see something good come of this.
Bush called Adam Clymer of the NYT an asshole at a Labor Day event in Naperville, Illinois.
Actually that was the “Major League a**hole” remark, directed at a NY Times reporter, Adam Clymer. But the Times never made it an issue b/c Bush later gave them super-secret leak status.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/910614.stm
Precisely. It’s called “enabling,” to use psychobabble. Maybe it’s time to start calling out the organizations and leaders by names. I know that when I get called now by Organizing for America, the DNC, DCCC, DSCC for bucks, I tell them to get lost, and why.
Most of us are making calls to the White House and to Congress over these issues. Maybe we also need to start making calls to the offices of the institutionalized liberals–pun intended–who are enabling this Administration’s awful timidity and corporate compromises.
Jane, thanks once again for bringing stark clarity to a very murky Washington DC matter. Your posting has convinced me that it’s time to take a new direction. I’ve been a loyal Democrat for 30+ years, a supporter of various veal pen groups (both financially and as a volunteer) for that long, at least, and I’ve worked endless hours for my union to get democrats elected.
The time has come to make a change. I had no plans to attend the LGBTQ National Equality March on Washington on Oct. 10/11 but now I think I’m going to go. I was at the first 2 and both times I came away energized, mobilized, connected, and clear about what direction to take.
I remember back in 87 and again in 93 meeting with my congressional representatives and the sheer terror on their faces when we said we were there to advocate for LGBTQ rights. It was the height of the AIDS crisis and we were all shellshocked but determined as hell.
It took a few more years but change is happening. And it wasn’t democratic party sponsored. It was grass roots. We carried signs of Bill Clinton with a Pinocchio nose because of his lies to us and the betrayal we experienced. I’m beginning to feel hopeful again. We can change things if we come together.
I hope as many FDL’ers as can will attend the March with us. It might very well act as a national catalyst for all progressives. It can at least be a start. After all, the veal pen LGBTQ groups made out like bandits after the last time and now they are all on the sh*t list. Hope springs eternal!
That’s what surprised so many GOP/Media people about how Bill Clinton handled the Monica phase of CoupGate. They were expecting him to resign — something they would never have demanded of a Republican president in a similar situation (in fact they never demanded it from Reagan or GHW Bush over Iran-Contra, which was actually something worth resigning over). And in fact, most Democrats were expecting him to do so.
But he didn’t, and the Democrats — instead of losing big at the polls in 1998, actually (and unusually for the party in the White House during a non-presidential midterm election) held steady in the Senate and gained five seats in the House. This after the press eagerly gave lots of air time to guys like Newt Gingrich, who gleefully predicted a 60-seat House pickup for the GOP.
All I can say is thank the godesses we have Jane.
How’s about some signs with pictures of the current administration,and its chief enablers,portrayed as SPINocchios?
What’s really beautiful about RahmCare is that it’s a two-fer.
Not only is it horrible policy, but it’s terrible politics.
The Blue Dogs who think that they are innoculating themselves
against challenges from the Right by killing the public option are deluding themselves.
Case in point: Evan Bayh, D-WellPoint.
Choice tweet from the progenitor of “virtual reality”, Howard Rheingold:
And in the case of Van Jones, failing to go on the offensive against detractors means the reality about Jones has been framed once again by Republicans.
Guess we now know in whose reality the White House is living.
Gosh, why would people think that Bush knew?
That left flank attack worked out just great for immigration reform, didn’t it?
The laminated resume corps win again!
My take
http://www.rifuture.org/diary/…..t-mr-jones
Thanks for describing it so well, Jane. I’d like to see Van start a new progressive political party. His abandonment by Obama shows that the Democratic party has no spine and no morals.
Thanks, Jane! Appalling but true. We should have seen this coming from Obama’s attempted tamping down of progressive organizations during his campaign.
I heard Van Jones a few years ago at the Mass. Dems. Convention. Inspiring and all the other good things you mentioned.
Have emailed Center for American Progress about its throwing Jones under the bus.
Lots of good company under the bus these days.
I think it is obvious now that Obama is no progressive – I don’t find him honest enough to consider him a ertrist. The dishonesty was obvious in the Fisa vote (while still in the senate) plus a number of small things. I don’t see how anyone can consider him anything other than an enabler of business- or even worse, one who panders to those on the right who have money.
Obama hasn’t rolled over for anyone, he appears to be doing exactly what he wants to do – it is too consistent to be considered “rolling over.”
The only questions I see are:
“How do we restart the revolution to take back our country that was started in 2005 and 2006?”
And:
“When do we start?”
It seems obvious that there is no way that Obama is going to listen to progressives, anymore than Bush did. A couple of days ago I asked what Obama has done – I mean what major thing – that Bush couldn’t/wouldn’t have done. I suggest that Obama is carriyng out an agenda that he full well understood long before he entered the presidential race – I don’t know exactly what his goal is, but it clearly is not in any way aligned to progressive.
We must take back those organizations that he has neurtralized and start again, but what is the choice/
Bradford
Van Jones and Dawn Johnsen were my canaries in the Obama coal mine. The atmosphere there is clearly toxic.
Standing one’s ground always gets more satisfactory results than meekly appeasing agenda-driven scolds, whatever one’s political predilections.
Now if the timidly theoretical types could have a refresher on delivery and amplification for politely succinct ways of calling ‘bullshit, dumbass, back to your cave’ on the pearl clutchers, why, a golden age of enlightenment could be just around the next bend.
;>)
My thoughts exactly. The bad policy I expect from someone like Rahm; he’s an amoral corporate suck-up. But the bad politics is actually the puzzling part. It’s like they are trying to replay the 90’s again but this isn’t the 90’s. In the 90’s, the Right was ascendant; now they’re discredited (although the Administration is giving them a big opening). Rahm apparently learned nothing from being wrong about the 50-state strategy, nothing from being wrong about Dem candidates taking (progressive) antiwar positions in 2006.
He owes his position to the progressives who saw that the country was ready to reject Reaganism. He is, as someone once said, “fucking stupid.”
hmmm …maybe it’s time to put together a phone and email list for the heads of all these veal pen orgs just like we have for congress … seems like they need to hear from us?
Politics: The Simultaneous Playing of Poker & Chess
From our progressive perspective, the Obama administration acts like 1) it has a limitless bank of political & campaign finance capital to sit at the table and play losing hand after losing hand, and 2) it calculates its board moves to achieve a draw, never a win.
But the interests that bankroll D.C. from one end of Pennsylvania Avenue to the other, from top to bottom, and from side to side are winning hand after hand, and game after game.
If we’re hoping to see Lincoln, TR, FDR or JFK speaking to Tuesday’s joint session of congress, it’s not in the cards. With Obama’s consent, Rahm has him teetering between Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.
At this rate, the lying whore republicans will have to field Palin/Bachmann for Obama to win a second term in 2012.
I have some news for the Obama Administration.
Appeasement is NOT compromise. It is a form of cowardice whose root is in conflict avoidance. And leadership is not a saintly form of detachment with the intent to remain above the fray and defer the grunt work in the trenches to others.
Like it or not, being in our political system involves some risk taking and willingness to stand on principle. What that means is that our President is going to have to take some risk from time to time by getting his hands dirty. There is a time for all things, and it’s time to get engaged in the process and fight back against mendaceous frauds like Beck, etc. that perceive us as weaklings that will cave in when confronted. Too bad that these bastards have the lackeys of the media on their side, but we have truth on ours.
You need to send these fuckwits a message that we’ll have none of it, and we most certainly will pack a gun to a gunfight if needed.
I hope they never let this sort of incident happen again.
Yes, it did fuck up education in California big time.
Yup — have to rebuild the institutions of resistance … again. Happens every time some centrist Dem gets a whiff of power.
Jones was vulnerable for an additional reason I’ve outlined TEXT“>here. He and we have, sometimes, tried to ride on a base that others have built. Doesn’t work. We have to build our own.
Thanks for this very clear posting.
To Mr Why
I saw a You Tube clip when Bush was at a social in Texas, running against Ann Richards I thought, and his aid off camera said words to the effect are you ready for these assholes? And Bush replied something like
I’m ready for all these voting assholes.
The rest of the column (5th preferably)
Yeah Obombya couldn’t even have a truther in his lily’s of the field house. A black man that questions official spin doctrine, naughty-naughty-no-no.
Shrubco probably showed Obombya assasination pics of JFK, and said this
is what’ll happen to you if you don’t get on your knees to the Skull &
Crossbones Empire.
Van Jones is now a trending topic on twitter and it’s overrun with hate speech – if you tweet, consider tossing in some pro Van messages since the MSM does follow those trend topics.
Or perhaps, like Harry Reid, his public posture and private agenda are somewhat…asymmetrical.
;>)
I just got word from the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice that they are laying off several of their people and having to move to a smaller, cheaper office because one of their major donors is cutting them back/off don’t know which.
Obama’s so-called faith-based group has 25 people on it only 5 of which are pro-choice. RCRC, of course has tried to make itself known as distressed over this. They’ve cut the pro-choice community off at the knees. I’m now wondering whether the cut in funding for RCRC is part of the whole kill your base effort or something more benign—like the
depressionrecession.Hard to know anything any more, isn’t it?
Jane, you are a formidable lady!
Many times people don’t realize that what they say or do when they are young or in some far away distant venue, can in this age of ”complete and instant information” come back to haunt them.
For example as you well know bloggers, in their attempts to gain credibility and ”instant” fame, voice theories or use words and expressions that can later be used to crush their expectations and aspirations.
I remember back in school I spoke to some friends about maybe joining an organization just to find out what it was really about and one said, ”Don’t do that. It might keep you from working for the Government if you ever decide to go that route.” He was right. He gave some very sound advice.
ass-holier-than-thouness
Sadly, the picture that Jane paints emanates from Obama himself. Campaigning on a fuzzy platform of “Change and Hope” allowed him to capture the goodwill of millions. Having achieved the objective, those millions are no longer necessary, and have been dispensed with.
Now we are left with the Obama who craves universal approval from his counselors, teachers, editors, peers. Unfortunately, that group now includes irrational actors called Republicans. And in negotiating with them, he’s negotiating with terrorists.
What we see now is the sad result of Obama’s sublimated quest for approval, rebranded as postpartisanship. There was a time, nine years ago, when Obama had a a vision of leadership that would transcend party labels, that would lift America above its petty quarrels, that would allow America to rise to its potential again. That vision proved powerful rethoric, and coupled with a profound yearning for Change, brought Obama to the Presidency. But guess what: the real world wasn’t playing along. And time after time, the Obama administration, having first accepted as negotiating partners those who had zero interest in doing so, has found itself where the post-partisan dream lies in shatters, and all that remains is a timid desire to appease every corporate interest and their republican enablers, holding any real reform hostage. So we have a political world where right-wing shrillness is far more effective than the muffled cries of the weak, whose representation is coopted in the veal pen as Jane points out.
Power is the ultimate addictive aphrodisiac, and those who attain it can be easily manipulated by threatening their hold on it. Few are those, like FDR, who having attained that power, realize that they strengthen it by exercising it boldly for the greater good. In the Obama administration, all we have seen has been ongoing compromise with the established institutions and players, and there’s little hope left for real change.
So now we will have cosmetic insurance reform, which will at best benefit some people marginally, which will not reduce polarization and extremism one whit, and which will not produce any political advantage.
In Afghanistan, Obama adopted the Republican dogma about securing it against Al Qaeda by military means long before the election, and his choices to maintain the military commanders in their position loudly proclaimed it. There is a seismic shift in Afghanistan happening, with an emerging bipartisan (!) shift in favor of cutting our losses. Who knows, perhaps George Will will give the Obama Administration the cover it needs to prevent it from swallowing us in its own quagmire.
In the end, Obama is a political mutt: half-republican, half-democrat.
Any solution to the immense problems of geopolitics, the economy, the environment and energy will be hobbled by this strange creature who, having seen his stripes, increasingly few of us can call our own.
On Wednesday, I’d love to be proven wrong and to see Obama begin to fight forcefully for health care reform that includes the struggling, the poor, the unemployed, the ill, with a public option that provides real checks and balances. Such a move would signal that Obama has risen to the stature of the office and has risen to the moment, has given up on his need to please and be liked, and has seen the public good as the true arbiter of what is right and worth fighting for. I wish him the best.
Sadly, it was obvious from the start. There’s no way the masters of the universe would have let Obama get the nomination if they didn’t already know he was handily in their pockets. Some of us here sensed this way back when and when we dared express it we were flamed. FYI I wasn’t a Hillary fan for the same reasons.
We’ve got pretty much what we were going to get. Our problem is that we took the words “hope” and “change” seriously. Though I had little faith that Obama would come through for us, I did have some hope, or at least I wanted to. My deepest concern at the time was what would happen to that whole generation of young people that got all jacked up on hope and worked their butts off to get him elected. They may be lost to politics if not the dems forever if Obama keeps on the trajectory he’s on. And that would be an epic fail.
So here we are.
So I learn that in Loudoun County, officials have to bend over backwards to parents “concerns” over Obama’s speach so they’ve cancelled Loudoun County participation.
Hmmm, you insist your kids can’t be subjected to the President of the United States because he’s some kind of facist/communist/racist Hitler, and your opinion is heeded. But you call a Republican an asshole, you’ve gotta go.
Great country, huh?
Thanks, Jane. I’ll never eat veal again. ;-)
I kinda ignored this issue, but I’m sorry I did. It does tell us a lot about how some progressive institutions aren’t doing their jobs. Nothing Van Jones did that the neocons were complaining about is all worth more than a moment’s reflection. The worst you could say is that he signed a petition that had some good questions mixed with some not-so-good questions about 9/11. Why our Executive didn’t do more at the time is a damn good question. Considering that we now know that they had people tortured, and used that information as justification for a war and other extreme measures, I don’t find it the least bit out of line to wonder just what the heck was going on in their heads.
That his co-workers at CAP didn’t stand up is particularly telling.
Our institutions are failing us, even the ones we ought to be able to depend on.
And ask them:
What would you rather have — submissive ‘access’ to a one-termer and a soon-to-be-minority caucus, or a healthy and often adversarial relationship with a president and congressional caucus that you forced into doing the right thing and the politically sensible thing?
It would sure be handy if I knew who we were talking about. CAP, obviously, but who else?
Isn’t that Podesta in the picture with Jones? Yeah, loyalty ain’t part of the dem platform.
Jane Hamsher,
You’re not helping the Democratic Party or the Progressive movement, when you suggest – as you do in your opening paragraphs – that being a Troofer is morally and intellectually alright. I guess I should feel happy about that, being a right-winger, but it’s actually not edifying to see so many Americans so very unhinged.
Do you actually believe that – to use Troofer vernacular – BUSH DID IT FOR OIL!!!11!!1! ?
I laugh when I hear Olbermann and Maddow dismissing the Republican party as a viable force at the polls in the near term. With the sale of Diebold’s systems to ES&S ensuring that there will be only a single vendor counting votes and a Republican one at that, Rove’s math has a half-life far more toxic than plutonium.
The Democrats are going to pay for their failures and for their lack of strength in the face of right-wing bullying. They are going to pay at the polls in 2010 and I think they are in for a rude awakening in 2012.
Why the fuck can Rush Limpbaugh and Glenn Pecker say the most outrageous bullshit imaginable and Republicans are quick to protect their “right to free speech” but a Democrat…..
You know what, nevermind.
Getting really fucking old.
Exactly. The right thing is also the politically sensible thing. But Rahm doesn’t get that — he just is happy that he gets to screw the base a few more times before 2010 rolls around.
One of the things I found laughable at the time was all the jawing between proponents of the two. There wasn’t much difference – if anything, Hillary might have been more progressive, at least as measured by what she did. It certainly wasn’t a big difference either way, though.
The only thing these institutions and those who prop them up fear is a confluence of disparately sourced public opinion aimed toward bold change and forcing the ‘will of the people’ upon them.
I personally have no time for working within such an inherently corrupt system – Nothing turns a starry-eyed idealist into a venal opportunist faster – and therefore I neither regret nor will recant any comment or work that I have placed in a public medium.
Fuck appeasement.
Howard Dean says that Dems should be strong on health care: “If you don’t use your majorities, you lose your majorities.”
Howard Dean was my man in ‘04—and still is. He got torpedoed by the media (and the masters of the universe that owns it) because he couldn’t be bought.
Maybe we need to revive a Dean for America candidacy.
Snap is right.
For the first time in 18 months, I’m getting that old feeling again: FDL is a source of sanity, desperately clung to under Bushism.
Hmmm. . . . . . didn’t think it would come again so soon, did you?
It didn’t stop; it needs a reboot.
We need to continue to supplant the corporatists within the Democratic Party and take it back.
This time, though, we need to get the unions to see it this way; I ran into enormous obstruction at local level from union members back in late 2004-early 2005 when we began this movement to take back the party. They only wanted to work with someone who’d been sent to them from their hierarchy; they continued to support the very machine which was selling them out because of this old school mentality.
We are making progress, it’s just not visible at the federal and national level. We have taken back local party apparatus (although it’s not yet 100% across the country); we have run and in a number of cases elected real progressives to local and state office. But it’s going to take at least two more Congressional terms and perhaps two presidential terms to realize this same level of success at national level.
If we give up now, we’re sunk, and we might as well start shopping for our brownshirts. This isn’t something we can do as a convenience, it has to become a lifestyle — fighting and defending our democracy is not a hobby but a commitment, a conviction.
In response to Camilow @ 53
What we see now is the sad result of Obama’s sublimated quest for approval, rebranded as postpartisanship.
Extremely well said. Unfortunately it defines the future for as long as Obama is in the White House
My questions remain – what do we do and when do we start
Bradford
Thank you.
Fuck appeasement.
Amen and pass the pitchforks and torches.
CAP isn’t going after Beck and didn’t defend Van Jones. and Colorofchange is going after Beck, and is proud of Van Jones’s being a co-founder. Maybe a little love should be directed towards the good organization right now. It’d would be pretty cool to see a bunch more anti-Beck signatures, and maybe a small scale money bomb for them as well.
Book Salon up at the Mothership with Thom Hartmann’s Threshold: The Crisis of Western Culture hosted by Mommybrain
Yes, “the high road less taken.” It never seems to occur to those Democrats that there is a REASON why it is less taken.
No kidding. But it’s as darkblack’s pointed out: This is a long-standing problem for Democrats; they keep on holding themselves to higher etiquette and ethical standards than do the Republicans, who with the help of their media friends get off scot-free most of the time.
The examples that comes to mind are of Jim McGreevey and David Dreier: Both prominent elected officials, both outed as gay, both accused of putting their alleged boyfriends on the public payroll. Yet only McGreevey lost his job.
I’m not a Truther by any means, but I didn’t get that from what she wrote. The petition was a bit Truther-ish, to be sure, but the complaint from the neocons was about the question of whether Bush deliberately allowed the attacks to happen, or was merely negligent. Under the circumstances, that wasn’t an unreasonable question.
sop, just like in the primaries.
On the local and state level we need to be thinking of redistricting. How can we influence how the new maps are laid out? How can we make progress in states that have one or both state legislative houses under R control. Redistricting happens before 2012, and the people we elect in 2010 will be controlling the process.
Thanks for the suggestion! I just joined Color For Change, made a donation, and ordered a t-shirt. And I let them know that I was sent their way by Van Jones being thrown under the bus by the Obama administration. Cheers!
I pretty much stayed out of that fracas. Didn’t think it mattered much which one of them won as I couldn’t deal with the idea of the DCLers coming back into the WH and Obama never did show any real leadership in the Senate—he always held back and did the “safe” thing. When O picked Rahm my gut told me it was all over but I still had some irrational hope that there was a plan there somewhere. Now we all know what the plan was.
Tragic.
One of the other demands we should be making right now is for the resignation of Tim Kaine as chair of the DNC.
He is a reversal, a setback, a return to the DLC past of the Democratic Party.
He has done absolutely jackshit as far as I can see, in terms of continuing the rejuvenation of the party and as far as ensuring the party’s platform — including the public option — has been realized.
I want him gone, out the door, vamoosed.
Nice. And thank you.
I’m not sure how much good it will do, but it seems like a good idea to support organizations that are taking on Beck/Limbaugh/RWNM.
First, can someone show me how to respond to a commment?
Then,
Rayne & RevDeb,
I agree that it was obvious that Obama didn’t walk the wal (again, the FISA vote for starters). somehwere I described him as one of those kids in high school who are so eager for acceptance with the “in crowd” (I hate that label), that he becomes their errand boy.
somehow, though, I feel as though we are still trying to influence Obama and Emanuel and it isn’t going to happen. Too many aren’t saying out loud what they already know. That I didn’t get snowed by Obama isn’t very useful – hr is much worse than I feared and I don’t think that there is any way to work with him – but it isn’t clear to me how to push back effectively.
Bradford
There’s a “Reply” link at the lower right corner of a comment. Click on it.
Thank you, Jane, for your clarity and passion. The story is disheartening, on the one hand, but on the other hand, I’m encouraged that you’re paying attention and can so clearly articulate what you’re seeing. I have been sensing all of this, intuitively as you say. It seems clear that if the administration were really committed to transparency and reform, the summer would have been very different indeed. Unfortunately the Democrats and Republicans are not so different as we had hoped. Thank God some have managed to avoid the veal pen. So now the sleeves are rolled up and the gloves are off. I’m going to fight all the harder for what’s right.
Yes, I know, I think redistricting is already having an impact on the question of the public option.
My home state of Michigan has lost at least 10% of its population over the last 10 years — perhaps even more. The city of Detroit, for example, is now 50% smaller than it was. We are going to take a serious haircut when redistricting happens, and the Democratic powers that be should have and could have seen this slow-moving Katrina coming and stopped it if they’d had the political will power to do something about it.
[Van Jones’ departure is another step in the wrong direction, because there are few people with his skill and experience who could ensure we had more green jobs here in Michigan to keep people here and encourage others to return home to the Great Lakes state.]
Two of the Congressional districts which are likely in play are MI-12 and MI-05, both of which lost considerable population. The upside is that Republican ASSHOLES Thad McCotter (MI-11) and Mike Rogers (MI-08) are likely to see their districts eliminated — IF WE CAN KEEP A FRIGGING DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY. I suspect this is why both true blue Reps. Dale Kildee and Sander Levin have been less than forthcoming about the public option; they are nursing districts which although solid blue now will become neutral if they absorb the districts of Republican ASSHOLES McCotter and Rogers.
But with 60-80% of the public supporting a public option, we shouldn’t be playing to these red voters in soon-to-be-disappeared districts; we should be supporting the true blue voters and allowing the passage and realization of the public option to persuade the red voters that this was the right direction, the right thing.
But this is just Michigan — what’s it look like in other states with losses/gains in population and fence-sitting Dems?
I am most distressed by the fact that the right’s witch hunt techniques — obviously payback for the loss of advertisers for Glenn Beck — paid off for them. What Jones signed, even if unknowingly, was technically true: Bush did know- but he didn’t ‘know’ it. The memo, the smoking gun memo, telling him Bin Laden was determined to attack inside the US was there, and he supposedly read it.
That’s a post.
It’s the difference between real power and being someone else’s toehold.
Since, you admit you are a rightwinger, we can only hope there may be a cure someday. Jane Hamsher allows a free wheeling exchange of ideas, caled freedom of speech. Your tribe, the wingnuts has problems with that. There is overwhelming evidence that Saudi Arabia financed the 9-11 attacks. Yesterday, that third rate functionary, Tom Ridge would not answer the questions of Saudi financing of teorrorism. So you also deny Saudis financed 9-11?
Van Jones was fired because he asked for a genuine 9-11 investigation. The 9-11 Commission were almost all neo-cons and the Report was mainly neo-con propaganda. In it Philip Zelikow said the financing of the terrorists was not important.
Redistricting makes me think that we should have some strategic focus on state legislative campaigns, even at the expense of US house campaigns.
The disappearing MI-11 and MI-08 districts – they’re Red – PVI R+something… on a county or even precinct level we need to start looking at how to build the new districts for progressives to have an advantage. THose of us that work with local Democratic party organizations should be working on this now, and one hopes getting the data disseminated both to grassroots (to cultivate possible candidates) and elected officials.
My pleasure! And it’s already doing a world of good for me — I’m not really the give up hope type. I just need to see a clear path to possible success before I can commit any more of my aged time and efforts, LOL.
You mean the “clean-coal” mine? Remember, when you look forward, all coal is clean.
Maybe we need to revive a Dean for America candidacy.
Is America smart enough for that yet?
Actually, I’d support his candidacy enthusiastically. I just think there’s a reason why we end up with who we end up with. It’s not because there aren’t better choices available.
What I’ve read about Van Jones suggests that he’ll be working for progressive change regardless of being Green Jobs Czar or not. So while he was thrown under the bus, he’s now in a position to speak forcefully and not have to tone things down to protect Obama. This could be a net positive.
I’m still quite stumped over some public officials taking “Obama is gonna indoctrinate the childruns” seriously enough to cancel their districts from participating, but saying “Bush might’ve known about 9/11″ or “Republicans are assholes” are so far out there that one must resign. I still can’t wrap my head around that.
One reason for the difficulty I think is because, well, Republicans ARE assholes. Mother Fucking assholes, if you ask me.
Thanks for your response. I understand that there is a moral distinction between murdering 3000 people and passively allowing the massacre to happen, when you can stop it. But when you think about it, it’s not much of a distinction. Both would be shockingly evil.
So if it’s going to be trench warfare, so be it. If you think it’s Kosher to accuse the other side of either committing or allowing the mass murder of Americans, ockily-dockily. But then let’s have no more lectures about the ”paranoid style of American politics,” no more crapola about how Progressives uphold a higher standard of discourse, and no more sanctimony about how more than a few on my side hold the (false and stupid) belief that President Obama was not born in America.
For you you guys were out of power, you went insane and accused the President of committing, or being complicit in, the mass murder of Americans. And to this day you defend it as kinda-sorta maybe true or at least an understandable thing to believe.
I have said before that we probably need to primary Obama in 2012 and that Dean was sounding better and better to me (actually said that in a n email to Obama on this issue). In the last election, there were only three actual progressive candidates: Dean, Edwards, and Kucinich. Kucinich is a bit too moonbeamish to be a viable candidate (just on pragmatics, I generally like his politics). Edwards has shot himself in the foot with his johnson. That leaves Dean as the only viable progressive at this point and has shown signs that he might actually run.
One doesn’t have to be evil to passively allow something like 9/11 to happen.
Incompetence can be the explanation.
@77
Hey Brian there’s a legal distinction between committing murder as opposed to knowing it was likely to happen,and doing nothing.
Veal-fattening pen comes from Douglas Coupland’s Generation X. It refers to cubicles.
So did Bush act to protect Americans when he received the report “Bin Laden determined to attack” or did he passively allow it to happen or might there be some other valid viewpoint (Bush acted on that report, just ineffectively and tragedy occurred)?
I think saying Bush ignored warnings is a bit hyperbolic. Saying he didn’t respond well enough to stop the warned attack on the other hand is just fact – the warnings and the attack occurred.
The Color of Change, re, Van Jones is that a man of color actually spoke truth to power.
No doubt,that made Obama uncomfortable,by comparison.
Obama’s appointment of Rahm to WH chief of staff was the Rod Serling moment:
“There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.”
I will admit that the case for mass murder of Iraqis is much stronger.
Fair enough.
And remember, when your side was in power America became a rogue nation that advocated and began committing torture without remorse, silenced political opponents and jailed political protesters while banning them from attending or participating in publicly funded political forums, aggressively declared war on a sovereign nation who did not attack us, failed to actually capture or bring Osama bin Laden to justice while starting a second war, brought the world’s economic system to the verge of worldwide depression, began a domestic spying program with no judicial oversight, jailed citizens and non-citizens alike with no recourse to habeas corpus or any kind of trial, flew prisoners of war to black sites around the world where they were tortured and killed, maintained a prison in Iraq and another in Cuba where atrocities were committed that inflamed anti-American sentiment around the world, politicized the Justice Department to the point of embarrassment, created a new imperial presidency that declared that the Executive Branch was above the rule of law by virtue of a never-ending state of war on a concept, oversaw the greatest growth in the federal deficit in modern times, eroded diplomatic relationships with nearly every ally we’ve joined with since WWII, used the military for political purposes and actually proposed unleashing the military on American soil against the citizens of America, and that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.
Trench warfare? You betcha!
“Big Time” was what I recalled…:)
‘All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.’
Frankly, conservatives wouldn’t want trench warfare with progressives. If they as a collective species ever put their minds to complete eradication of the conservative archetype sans hampering themselves with the subjective niceties that you so contemptuously describe, every last one of those ‘black helicopters chock full of liberal fascist shock troops/FEMA death camp/socialist indoctrination of our precious childrens’ bits of fearmongering would seem like endearing bedtime stories.
;>)
So keep your wallets shut in 2010, and don’t go to the ballot box, and then 3rd party Obama out of office in 2012. Root out the neoliberals and “centrists”
Trench warfare doesn’t work so well when the opposing side, reinforced by MSM power, brings on the neutron bombs. Just ask Van Jones.
I don’t think Van Jones has been incapacitated. He’s certainly learned a valuable lesson about what loyalty looks like to the Democratic party and the Obama administration. I look forward to working with him in the future on bringing down many more Glen Becks. I’m not conceding any ground at all but rather retrenching with a different army.
“Where are all the statements defending Van Jones?”
Excellent question, Jane. I expect they’re hiding under the same desks as any public statements about the obscene amounts of money that are made off of sickness and ageing in America.
We mustn’t offend Mssrs. Limbaugh, Beck, O’Reilly, etc…
We have one good hole card:
if the republicans keep up with the mindless vitriol, especially that directed at people of color, I will be very disappointed if the black and latino vote in the next election doesn’t exceed that which helped Obama win the last one.
Wrong. If we do not vote and do not contribute, we totally lose our voice and the “centrists” win. Unfortunately, at present, there is no viable 3rd party. (If you say Nader, I will slap you. I have watched him throw too many elections already and it is now all ego, not principle with him.) We really have little choice but to work within the system, but we need to be more selective and strategic about how we do it. Anybody who failed to deliver gets nada and we look for a primary challenger.
And if the primary challenger loses the primary?
‘Scuse the OT, but PhoenixWoman and Siun just laid some good beads. Perfect welds. :o)
What’s disheartening is that the HealthCare brawl is the perfect fight for Obama. Big numbers on our side, and there’s all of the evidence about the buying of congers like they were Wal-mart tomatos. He should be able to kick GOP ass with one leg tied behind him. Instead, he’s acting as if we were asking him to nationalize the NFL.
puppet masters got them dancing in washington now, great bunch of folks , yessir
It seems the Beckistas are going after their next target, Cass Sunstein. Actually I do not think much of Sunstein so I do not care about him. But I do care if Obama surrenders to the reich again. Of course he will.
Jane thanks keep exposing the phonies.It’s big time disgraceful how they all abandoned Van Jones.The only one speaking up was Howard Dean.But that is Obama for you,spineless & gutless.
We are not guaranteed a win, but we will have made a point by making the incumbent fight for their seat when they should not have to. If we lose to a Republican in the general, I am not sure that we are any worse off than we are with the DINOs or that the incumbent could have won. Playing it safe will never change the system.
“What we have are a bunch of neoliberal enablers who have found a nice comfortable place in the DC establishment that they don’t want to jeopardize, and place on the new K-Street gravy train that they don’t want to lose.”
Yup.
“If there is going to be a serious progressive movement in this country capable of standing up for health care against an industry that spends $1.4 million a day on lobbying, we can’t just look to the members of the Progressive Caucus and say “hey, you, get something done.” They need cover. They need to know that they will be supported. And people like Van Jones who have given their lives to causes we say we value like prison reform and environmental advocacy need to know that they will be defended, and not handed over to Glenn Beck as an acceptable casualty in the battle for K-Street dollars.”
Yup, again.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
Too busy shopping at Whole Foods.
Really hope I’m wrong.
I’m just saying this is where the Democratic Party, as a Party, loses me.
I’ll be glad to fight for, support, and vote for progressive candidates in Democratic primaries, and in fact have done so for years.
But, what I’m not gonna do anymore, is on election day just give my vote to the D when he’s NOT a progressive out of some sort of “lesser of two evils” thing. I’m tired of it now, and Obama has sealed that deal for me.
I couldn’t wait to vote for him last year. I was alive for Kenneday but not old enough to take part in or understand, so this was the first time I felt REAL HOPE for REAL CHANGE. But it’s not the first time I’ve been disappointed by a Democrat.
It will be the last. No democrat gets my vote unless I’m convinced he’s a true progressive. Otherwise, IMO, we might as well have a real Republican in there if we have to settle for one with a D after his name. And I will give Republicans one bit of credit, even they are total fucking assholes. They do have balls. Big ones. I think if you put every Democratic politician in a big room you still wouldn’t have a complete set. And I’m damned tired of that too.
It’s already a war for the Republicans. When are the Democrats going to wake up and realize that?
Van Jones is just the tip of the iceberg.
Every time Obama capitulates to republicans and blue dogs, it accelerates their plumber operation against the most effective advocates for progressive policies inside his administration.
Dawn Johnson’ blocked OLC appointment received the same treatment.
Shorter Jane Hamsher:
“RALPH NADER WAS RIGHT.”
And he was. Glad you’re coming around, Jane. :-)
Obviously the Presidency isn’t ready for a third party, but it does NOT follow that there are no Congressional districts with a PVI of D+30 or even D+20 that are “safe D seats” and who would be “spoiled” by a non-establishment progressive challenger.
Besides that, what makes you believe the elite interests who have bought and paid for both parties’ machinery is going to just let progressives steal their good cop party away from them?
True. But I’m no longer expecting progressive anything from Obama’s administration. No use fighting a losing battle. I’m ready to move on to the next battle with potential to win and start working with Jane to elect more and better progressives and to primary any and every Blue Dog and corporatist Dem I can.
First the Republicans deliberately put incompetents in jobs that they didn’t want done well. Now, they try to remove good people who know their jobs.
We raced into Germany after the war to get as many rocket scientists as we could. It saved America money and time, and nobody complained. Imagine what it would have cost the Nation to have this Beck chap running his mouth then.
Incidentally a classy resignation, not going off to spend more time with his family, like most
How quickly they forget, eh?
regardless of the merits of Van Jones and what he said or didn’t say relative to others. The true debacle of his resignation is the validation of lunatic wingnut hissy-fits. All progressives better batten down the hatches because wingnut shitstorm of biblical proportions is about to be loosed on humanity and it will be about as ugly as anything imaginable and then some. It will make the Clinton years all seem like a small misunderstanding.
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Not at all what she’s saying.
F*ck Nader. Without Nader, we wouldn’t have had EIGHT YEARS of Bush/Cheney. Nader’s full of himself, and hasn’t done anything good for anyone since the Corvair. And maybe not then.
Yeah they can have him.
Wow, Jane, what a tremendous post. Thanks.
I’ve been laying low personally, not posting anywhere, and reading less and less of my usual political blogs. It’s just too fucking upsetting. We all have good reason to feel powerless — because the people with the power are TELLING us we’re powerless.
This isn’t a case of “be patient,” “keep your powder dry,” and the rest of the old mollifying clichés. This is just plain “sit down and shut up.”
I’m old enough to remember the sixties, when the millions of war protesters were marginalized by being caricatured as a bunch of far left hippies (of course, in my case, that was true… ), even by supposedly liberal organizations. When the NAACP and other “mainstream” groups condemned MLK for going beyond their narrow definition of civil rights by tying it in with economic and human rights.
Now anybody to the left of the Village (THANK you, Digby!) is on the Far Left. Marginalized. Ignored. Ordered to be quiet, under threat of reprisal. That’s not Rush Limbaugh or Ari Fleischer talking, it’s the “Yes We Can!” Obama White House telling us “No You Can’t!” No wonder we despised liberals, progressives, and just plain Democrats are flipping out.
This isn’t Hope, Progress, and Transparency. It’s bullshit.
Our country is being sold out to corporations, who (not “which”… they’re “people” after all) naturally are entitiled to more rights than the mere little people (we’re not “too big to fail, after all”). And if the Supreme Court’s right-wing coalition has its way, they’ll be granted unlimited power to use their (formerly our) money to overwhelm the political system in a way that will make the current level of corruption look quaint.
Even Orwell didn’t come up with the equation MONEY=SPEECH. It took the genius of our military-industrial-corporate-political complex to discover that one. Yeah, we’ve added a couple of branches to the org chart since Ike’s farewell speech.
I’ve signed all the petitions, I’ve called and emailed my Congresspeople, for whatever that’s worth, which I think is not much. My plan for this week is to dig a hole and get into it until Obama has made The Speech. He’s going to say what he’s going to say, no matter what the infuriating TV babblers and politicians confidently predict between now and them. When I emerge, I just hope I won’t see the blasted landscape of a country that’s been bombed into submission.
Thanks again, Jane… your post roused me enough to at least write this much. Usually I feel like people like you are telling the truth so cogently and passionately that rather than chipping in, it’s at least as effective to just pass on the URLs to others. As Dylan said (or was it Eccles.), the Great books’ve been written. the Great sayings have all been said. Often by people like Digby and you.
I appreciate this post, Jane.
As a new Firedoglake subscriber, I’m pretty confused about which liberal interest groups are “caving”. I think I get emails from all of them–a result of my having signed up and, in many cases, contributed money during the campaign and during the more recent health-care war.
I have pretty much had it with the administration and the Democratic Party. (I’m one of those Independents, so “leaving” the Democratic Party is not very fraught for me.) I would like to cut my ties with the groups that are rolling over and playing dead. Which ones are they?
I just unsubscribed from Organizing for America. Who’s next?
Thanks and, uh, Howard Dean is looking pretty good to me right now.
I would generally agree with you, except for the not voting part. Then again, I live in Montana and our Republicans make Michelle Bachman and Tom Coburn look sane and reasonable. I certainly will not give money to or campaign for anyone who is less than a true progressive. I did not share your enthusiasm or hope for Obama before the election, though must say he disappointed even my modest expectations.
I think the key to change is to make them work for it every time we can if they do not enthusiastically support progressive positions. This is what shifted the Republican Party to the right.
That’s the only strategy with a possibility of success.
Jane, thanks for not selling out.
Well, this is one of your best pieces, IMHO. Things make a lot more sense now. I knew some of this but hadn’t put it all together. The articles helped a lot.
I knew when the Obama campaign usurped the DNC and told people not to fund the grassroots organizations that something was seriously wrong. And something is gravely, seriously wrong. Frankly, I thought some of the progressive blogs had been co-opted too during the primary. But there has been some recovery there now.
Time to scrape up some more money for the FDL campaigns. As usual, behind you 100%.
I do, though, really wish you’d shine a spotlight on the march in DC next Sunday. With all the energy and awakenings going on, I think it has the potential for some impromptu decisions by many people to go out there and protest for the public option. There’s a lot of energy and not a lot of ways to use it. You can only sign petitions and call Congress for so long. We need to get out in the streets.
There may be individual districts where this can work (none that I have ever lived in, however), but I was just saying that it will not work as a broader strategy as yet. I am not actually averse to a third party (in partial response to your second point), just that there is no nationally (or statewide that I have seen) viable third party at present.
I do not think for a minute that the corporate interests are going to “let” us do anything. We have to take it and fight for it. If we cannot take it back, then we need to seriously think about and work on organizing a viable third party. We are very close to that point right now, but it will take more than two years to effectively organize a viable party.
Yep…I agree on all points.
And, Jane, FDL was the first place I looked after I’d heard the news about Jones shortly after Midnight. I realize y’all have to sleep SOMETIME, but perhaps you could do it in shifts from now on.
Seriously, thanks for all that you do.
Exactly.
Yes.
General Jane, thank you for all your work. You’ve got the spirit and I hope it passes to everyone on the left. We need to call out the LINO’s and replace them with real liberals.
Keep floating like a butterfly and stinging like a bee!
JH,JH,JH,JH
Rahm obviously has a huge set of balls. As opposed to many of the other Dem’s.
Unfortunately, he only uses them to fuck over Democrats, especially progressive Democrats.
Because they don’t suck off the tit of the Gov’t…Van Jones was paid by the citizens….
But did not say those things on the government dime. Unlike insane and inflammatory statements by Michelle Bachmann and other Congressional Republicans.
Thanks Jane. Its sad to see Van Jones go, i mean, lets be honest, he was the brightest and innovative mind in the White House. He was the victim of a vicious smear campaign by conservatives and that’s be expected.
I’m assuming you know that’s a troll. It’s been on Scarecrow’s post, making the same kind of remarks and generally stinking up the place.
Yeah, but still feel compelled to point out the obvious. Why can’t we have better quality trolls?
We tried working within the local party. We hit a brick wall once they realized that they were losing control — control over what at that point in time I don’t know, but they thought they had something.
So we started a separate organization and did the work we meant to do under the local party. We identified, vetted, trained candidates, we raised money and campaigned for them. We developed communications and campaign plans, implemented them, organized the shoe leather and beat on the doors, put out the signs, made the calls.
Eventually the candidates, the incumbents and the state party realized that WE were the party, not the titular organization of old farts sitting around recounting their glory days of yore. There was no there there with the local party. WE were the party, starting from a handful of scrappy estrogen-rich people and now outnumbering the active members of the original party.
We took back the party chairmanship not once but twice, fought back the bigots within our own Dem party ranks to put in a new slate which actually resembles the local population and is solidly, truly progressive.
What does this all mean? It means don’t give up at local level. You can do exactly what we did, ensure that the pipeline in your own backyard, your district remains full of real progressives and not DLC-types (read: Republican-Lite). We have to continue to build the farm team or we will never have the right people at the very top of the ticket. And we have to do this across the entire country, every single county, every single precinct.
It’s the next level of Howard Dean’s 50-State Strategy — not only do we leave no voter unturned, concede no precinct, but we leave no seat unturned, concede nothing to Republicans or to centrist Dems. We take back our party and return it to the progressive roots of FDR and Kennedys.
It’s time to take the next step and scale up. We know that the state party isn’t on board yet, still sees itself as threatened, is still serving entrenched corporatist power gods. Until we can change that next level, I think we’ll have a rocky time between our local level and the White House, no matter who’s in office.
I second, that.
A party isn’t a movement and a movement isn’t a party. Movements will always deliver results to a party to enact into law. Never the other way around.
They’d all be Democrats, and it wouldn’t be nearly so much fun stomping on them.
And that’s how you do it. It’s always been how you do it. You have to be organized sufficiently that you can both function well over the long haul and to take advantage of sudden opportunities that come your way, such as special elections.
This one is so dry and dessicated that it doesn’t even make a very satisfying squish.
Jane,
Job well done. Your article here reminds me of the signal article when you connected the dots to the public option sell-out. They want desperately to cover their tracks and you just expose them by showing the timeline. I was so hopeful when I heard about all of the green initiatives and about the green jobs which might help us to help the unemployed construction workers. It made so much sense to employ skilled unemployed persons in the development and installation of these new climate saving technologies. Someone asked me recently: “Why are the Chinese beating us at solar technology?” My answer was that it is easier for our corporations to colonize the Chinese industries and markets for solar, so why would they want to develop the technology here, in a third world country? Today’s news was further confirmation for me that the needed boost to the manufacturing sector from green technology is a second level issue for this crew. Hopefully Van Jones will be much more of an effective force for change now that he is free from the suffocating appeasement machines in the WH.
Well, as much as I hate Nader, I guess this is precisely what he meant when he said there’s not a nickel’s worth of difference between the parties. Because what we say we believe in doesn’t mean squat when those at the leadership level on either side have sold out to big business.
I love Van Jones. Where ever he lands I will support whatever he is doing. He is the cream of the crop. Thanks for all you do Jane to expose the machine. This was such sad news to me.
The Republicans could not possibly have had another objection to him, could they?
You can read the celebration over at Fox news. They barely even bother with the dog whistle now.
FOX:
“As soon as I got back to the office, I e-mailed the East Bay Express article to one of Glenn Beck’s producer, saying: “Please share with Glenn this article about green jobs czar Van Jones, a self-described communist who was radicalized in jail. Confirms “watermelon” hypothesis.” (I was referring to an explanation we had offered on his show of the cap-and-trade bill as a “watermelon,” green on the outside but Communist red to the core.)”
How Van Jones Happened and What We Need to Do Next
Thanks so much for this, Jane. I have been feeling disheartened today after reading blog comments in the formerly progressive-majority SF Chronicle and LA Times that were skewing more than 2 to 1 in favor of the right-wingers.
You put everything into a beautiful perspective, and the commenters here did an amazing job of offering much-needed insight. Bless you all (and I’m not even religious)!
here ya go
It would work if you’re a Republican. If you’re on the left you’d get arrested by the SS.
The point is this is all kabuki; the reason Obama “gives in” to the right without a fight but fiercly fights his own base is that Obama is right wing.
and thank you Jane for sitting everyone down and telling’em what’s up – this needs to be disseminated and absorbed throughout the progressive community if we have any hope of maturing and moving forward
Looks like Obama wanted him to stay on.
I don’t know…what do you think.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI…..index.html
What is being done to Van Jones is unfortunately not new for the left. Consider that over 20 years ago – in August 1988, to be specific – I wrote about
the increasingly-jacketed-and-tied mien of some peace movement “leaders” who think that the cause is best advanced by prowling the halls of power and seem to regard their new-found (and marginal) access there as proof of their importance and now find boisterous, blustering, disheveled, and (”Still Crazy After All These Years”) sometimes hairy demonstrations – that is, the very kinds of actions that pried open the gates of power through which they’ve passed – vaguely distasteful.
Although he was talking about journalists, I. F. Stone’s warning applies as well to movement types: “You cannot get intimate with officials and maintain your independence. No matter whether they are good guys or bad guys … they will use you.”
The White House press corps is known to some others in the media as “access whores.” Again, it is a description that clearly applies to more than just media types.
I think you have misunderstood the situation; the petition and the bad language are merely a pretext to fire the only progressive in the administration with any power.
The home page for Foreign Policy Initiative looks eerily similar to one of the pages on PNAC’s original site.
They don’t like Will’s change of heart, either.
FPI Policy Advisor Abe Greenwald: Re: Will’s Loss of Nerve
I wonder how much Murdoch is putting into this little venture.
Naomi, you have such a way with words. How can we not love you.
What if they are just pretending to hold themselves to higher ethical standards but really they are just saying that as cover while they betray their base to the corporations, in return for bribes?
And that would be different from business as usual how? *g*
When you realise Nader was right, you will be ready to stop being a doormat for the Democrats.
Well, now we know that Bush knew very well about the danger of Hurricane Katrina, but let 1000 people drown. And we know he was warned repeatedly about Al-Qaeda, but let 3000 people die. His administration was immediately (within hours) ready to use the attack to justify attacking Iraq. Some people speculate further, saying he knew specifics about 9/11 but let it happen. I don’t know if that happened or not, but it really doesn’t matter, does it? Isn’t the well-documented truth enough to condemn him?
Doug Henwood called this very moment back in March of ‘08. I recall thinking how I hoped he were wrong, an overly cynical grouch.
“Obamamania, a febrile disease”
http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Obama.html
Boy that sure is right. The excellent Chris Hedges had a column a few weeks back…”Nader Was Right: Liberals Are Going Nowhere With Obama”. Hedges says the left owes Ralph an apology, and I agree.
http://www.truthdig.com/report…..ith_obama/
Says Hedges:
“We must give up the self-delusion that we can influence the power elite from the inside. We must become as militant as those who are seeking our enslavement. If we remain passive as we undergo the largest transference of wealth upward in American history, our open society will die.”
Amen to that. I’ve heard a couple of interviews, and Hedges’ new book sounds extremely unsettling. I’m still haunted by a Feb 08 piece on the economic crisis of his entitled “It’s Not Going to Be OK”.
I recall Nader taking a lot of guff for this bit of frustrated buzzkilling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmgByAtj8eU
Listen to that spiel and tell me where it’s off in the slightest…yeah, I know, there’s ‘Uncle Tom’ rhetoric, and from a guy famously unable to interest black voters in any numbers in any of his runs (even with Cynthia McKinney as running mate in ‘08)…but you tell me which of the two archetypal paths our man in the Oval office has chosen to more closely tread?
If anyone’s earned the right to a hostile crotchetiness, especially given the prophetic nature of those sour grapes in the light of subsequent history, it’s be Ralph Nader.
Ralph at 2:20 -
“He can become a great President, or he can become a toady for the corporate powers that have brought both parties to their knees against working families in this country, and have allowed our country to be hijacked by global corporations that have no allegiance to this country…THIS IS REALITY HERE, THIS IS NOT SHOW BUSINESS, IT’S NOT CELEBRITY POLITICS, THERE ARE PEOPLE SUFFERING IN THIS COUNTRY…”
Finally, whether this last fellow was just an empty suit or not, we’ll never know (he was undoubtedly a repellant phony in the much-pimped marital fidelity department), but this sure sounds pretty prescient about now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWbXNUbUj0A
“You can’t join ‘em. You just have to beat them”
Again, Amen to that.
Brilliant Jane. Bravo!
Nader is a narcissistic hack and has been for decades. He has not done diddly since Covair.
“So where are all the statements defending Van Jones by those who were willing to exploit him when it served their purpose? Why aren’t they standing up and defending one of their own, who has done nothing that probably the majority of people in the Democratic party haven’t done at one time or another? Is he no longer “one of their own?”
I was there. See “Glenn Beck Convenes a Lynch Mob“
And yes, it was a pretty goddam lonely place to be.
Democrats and Republicans share only two salient features in my experience: they both fight Democrats all the time and would never make common cause with one.
Or this difference in how you treat your political allies:
Republicans defend war criminals.
Democrats only defend perfect and spotless Democrats, and not even then, generally.
Just sayin’.
Now it’s true that these days there’s too much of everyone calling everyone they don’t like “Hitler” or a “Nazi”.
But that said, what the extremists who have taken over the Republican Party (and their outriders like Limbaugh and Glenn Beck) are doing is practicing the same thug politics as the Nazis did in their rise to power, including the street brawls (teabaggers, anyone?).
Obama has become our Chamberlain. And we know how that worked out.
If the
RahmObama adminstration expects Republicans to be impressed with the swift handling of the Van Jones situation, Obama is f—ing insane.And if on Wednesday Obama throws the public option under the bus, and he expects GOPers to vote for his health care bill, he’s as batsh*t insane as any of the birthers.
And if a Republican had said statements similar to Van Jones, that Republican would stay put. The party apparatus would back him up. This “doing the right thing” stuff is just political BS. No one respects you for it. No one respects Eliot Spitzer for resigning over his affair, because you can look in the Senate and see two Republicans, David Vitter and John Ensign, sitting pretty and still working in the Senate, while Spitzer stays at home and sees someone else run his state.
Doesn’t have to be that way. A movement has to become focused if it is going to be effective. It has to pick its tools, and in this case, the fastest tool is one which will have critical mass sooner rather than later.
Separation of party and movement may not have to be in the age of the internet, because we can more readily share information to sync up, get on the same page and aggregate our power, a la Markos/Jerome and Crashing the Gates.
Here’s the crux of the problem. I’ll use my home state as an example since I know it best, but the problem is the same across the country. We have 83 counties, and in each county there are an average of 25 people who are the real activists and doers who hold the party together. (Ditto for the other side of the aisle, btw.) They are often members of multiple groups and they are tugged in many directions, but they are it, they are all of the party.
That’s roughly 2000 people in a state with a population of 10,000,000 who are holding it together, who make it happen. Just how hard is it to co-opt or take advantage of this nominal number of people? Not very; we’re spread too thin, and many of us are newbies who are still acquiring our political sea legs, can’t see when we are being fucked until it’s all over.
Multiply that ratio across 50 states, about 2000 party activists for every 10,000,000 in population.
There’s not enough numbers here to fend off corporate money. There’s not enough to find, vet, train, groom, campaign and elect progressives everywhere, the kind which will make mincemeat of the corporate money. There’s not enough to get around gatekeepers who’ve been bottlenecking and obstructing change.
But if members and participants of the movement got involved and became the party, we could do it. It would take a degree of commitment, though, which many movement subscribers are unwilling to commit — so we end up with the same over-worked, over-committed 25 people per county who get stepped on by national people in DC and yet blamed for failures.
It doesn’t have to be this way; it’s only a problem of political will.
I think this is just more evidence that we’ve lost by winning. It’s depressing, but the reality in Rahm & Larry’s World is that we won’t even be thrown crumbs. We aren’t even eight months into this. Imagine how we’re going to be feeling come 2012 with 3+ years of this dropped on our heads. Just depressing.
John
What I see is a party and its elective representatives. You correctly describe the activists of the party. They do the work and keep the momentum going. But when the elected officials reach Washington DC, they are overrun by lobbyists and their cash. That is why it is so difficult for progress to occur. The votes members of the party believe in, too frequently are never cast in congress. Movements figure out ways to mitigate the resistance elective officials will encounter. We cannot raise money dollar for dollar with companies, so we apply pressure to leverage the support we do have in the equation.
One example is unionize workers. When workers want an increase in pay, by striking or a threat to strike, they pose a risk to the income of the company. When the possible loss in income is greater than the demands being sought, negotiations begin.
A Second example, the classic 1955 bus boycott in Birmingham Alabama. The loss in revenue from riders forced the city to change its policy of blacks could only ride in the back of the bus.
Today, most major companies will avoid the most blatant sweatshop abuses for fear of consumer backlash (loss in sales). If companies employing lobbyists feel their products or income might be at risk if they extract certain votes, they may think twice before pressuring elected officials.
I’m proud to say I didn’t vote for Obama. I wrote in Hillary name. I knew this guy was more interested in “playing” president than in actually doing something. He’s never accomplished anything in his life, much less his time in the Senate, so why did you guys think he would do anything once he became president?
What we need is a true progressive party. To hell with the repubs and democrats. I’ve seen 40 straight years of disappointments short of Clinton’s economy. I’m tired; you should be, too.
Thanks Jane, as always.
Obama’s Lani Guinier moment. There will be more. Never should trust a “golden tongue”.
Who knows who did it. I seriously doubt Bush knew much. But based on everything I’ve read, especially the research that has been published in academic research journals about the presence of nano-thermite in every sample of world trade center dust (how on earth did it get there?), I know this: we have not been told the truth about 9/11. If that makes me a truther, so be it.
Why are you the only one pushing back on this and everything else? Where’s dailykos? Who is supporting this self-serving group of traitors, and who isn’t? Having watched Moveon Fuckup more than once, I walked out on them.
One of Jane’s most incisive and brilliant pieces.
A total and accurate summation of the corruption of the “liberal” organizations.
I think yesterday Hugh said Obama is essentially a right winger, very true.
Right on, Jane! I say no more, but you described this so beautifully:
“When they fail to perform that task, the public is left with a vague feeling of anxiety, intuitively understanding that something is wrong but not knowing who or what to blame.”
I feel like the healthcare issue is making everyone run amok. Sometimes it seems like we’re just chasing some phantom dog bone that will never materialize. And that is frightening, especially when you think of all the uninsured, plus all the other issues that have been not getting better: the war, the contractors, the unemployment, the poverty, the dead and the dying, and they’re dying because of bad policy.
Depressingly insightful, Jane. I’m still looking for anything similar on other progressive fronts. Nothing at DK at all……
Much of what I feared would happen with the Obama administration seems on its way to realization.
I don’t think the democrats care if they are in power or not.
I think they might even prefer to be out of power. they can keep their seats, and not do anything except talk nice.
“The access of evil” – Amy Goodman
So let me see if I understand this correctly:
1) When conservatives get a briefing, it’s an evil conspiracy of talking points. When liberals do it, it’s fine.
2) Most Democrats have done something similar to joining a Communist organization and stating that the Bush Administration was behind 9/11.
3) It’s fine for Democrats to impose a health care plan on a country that clearly doesn’t want it in the name of democracy.
Got it. NOW can I question your patriotism?
I lean left, volunteered for Obama, and am pretty open to the current liberal legislative agenda.
The fact that Glenn Beck wants Van Jones gone is neither here nor there. Glenn Beck is a clown.
People who believe in a 9/11 conspiracy reveal a mental weakness so fundamental – and express a position so insanely odious – that they ought not be let near any position of responsibility in government. That 35% of Democrats believed this in 2007 says something about Democrats but doesn’t change the issue at hand in any way.
Don’t stand behind any 9/11 Truthers, ever. Fire them first and ask questions later.
Hillary in 2012.
I’ll tell you, my time, money, and passion will only go to liberal groups that are proudly liberal when it DOES matter.
They might get institutional money and that might keep them alive, but they won’t see a dime from me.
“Democratic cowardice is the reason why we are even having a discussion about a trigger and why 60 is the number to pass any bill, not 51. Given Obama’s unwillingness to engage in hardball, Dick Cheney style, the enduring power of conservative Democrats in Congress, and the Party’s eternal spinelessness, the smart money bet is that any trigger would definitely be cancelled.”
No strong public option, no more support from me for the Wimp-o-cratic Party.
Let the Republicans come back into power for a while. Fine. If that’s what it will take for progressives to get taken seriously and for the popular progressive ideas that this country needs to finally be put into practice before it’s too late, that’s fine.
I’m tired of being used like a cheap Tuesday night whore. Making calls, knocking on doors, donating more money than I can afford. For what? Nothing but invertebrate non-sense about how having the presidency, a huge House majority, and 60 votes in the Senate isn’t enough. Excuses. Nothing but b.s.
Republicans reveres its base. Democrats despise theirs.
Fine. No more calls, door knocking, donations. Progressives need to play hard ball. The Democratic Party is the problem, not the Republicans. Republicans are too far gone; they can’t really help themselves, at this point, and there’s certainly nothing we can do about them.
But we CAN do something about the Dumb-o-cratic Party.
100 House progressives must stick together and KILL any health care bill without a strong public option — as they’ve promised to do. Otherwise, not only will health care in America be doomed, but also the progressive movement, for decades to come.
Keep up the pressure. No public option? No health care bill.
No respect for progressives? No more activist base to carry water for the Democratic Party.
What an incredibly ignorant response this is, spoken with the same DINO flavor that is killing the Democratic Party.
sconover apparently agrees with the prevailing conservative thought in the White House and the mainstream media that only Republicans get to hold and actively promote controversial views, like the birthers, deathers, etc.,
– otherwise, you have to leave. Get out of government, so says sconover et al, if you’re a Democrat who dares to take a controversial stand. Don’t do that! Democrats don’t TAKE controversial stands! We cower before our overlords, the right-wing bullies who, after all, have America’s best interests at heart. Because we’re too damn scared of our own shadows to even think for one split millisecond about standing up to bullying and b.s. from the right, even when it comes straight out of the Democratic establishment, as it so often does.
According to sconover and the Democratic Party leadership, cowering to right wing bullies is the best thing to do, not stand up and tell the damn truth.
What detestable crap.
Let the civil war in the Democratic Party begin. It’s about time the party was rent in two, split into progressive and conservative halves. Such a split would probably allow Republicans to gain some power, and that’s just fine, if that’s what it takes for progressives to finally stop being the Rodney Dangerfields of the political arena.
Screw the Dumb-o-cratic Party. Screw the wimp-o-crats. Vote third party, or for liberal primary challengers only. Oppose Obama when he caters to the right while slapping down the left that brought him into the oval office.
No public option? Civil war within the Democratic Party. Realistically, that’s the choice Obama faces, and I hope he realizes it.
You BET it makes you a truther … and what in the WORLD is bad about that?
The evidence is overwhelming that the official 9/11 story is bunk. According to a poll conducted by NYT/CBS In 2006, 81% of the country thought our government was lying about 9/11:
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/13469
BUT IF YOU’RE ONE OF THESE 81% — YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE A DEMOCRATIC OFFICIAL IN GOVERNMENT!!!
Oh, no. 81% approval of a position makes it a dangerous far-left fringe opinion that Democrats in good standing simply MUST NOT hold!! No! You have to leave. Perhaps if 100% of the population agreed on some “controversial” issue, THEN mainstream Democrats might consider allowing adherents to hold positions of power.
Here’s the actual truth: holding that the official 9/11 story is a coverup is NOT controversial! … unless you consider that an opinion held by 81% of the population can rightly be described as controversial … which can’t be the case unless you’re an idiot or a right-wing lie master (or Democratic enabler).
You nailed it. Obama is and always has been a neoliberal corporatist. It was evident the day he appointed Emmauel, Geithner, and Summers. (He wins my best actor of ‘08 for his campaign performance.) Progressives must end their day dreams that he is going to remotely push progressive, public-interest solutions. We have Clinton II or perhaps Bush II-1/2.
We need a third party, a true progressive one, as opposed to the dual sided one party that exists now – RepubDem corporate plutocratic party of skimming the cream, funding militarism and law and order, and leaving everything else deteriorating in entropy (or worse, actively sabotaging real democratic change and justice.)
more and more commenters are seeing the light on this – it is clearly a groundswell of people who have seen the Democratic Party as the threadbare sham that it is.
but, to extend Jane’s powerful metaphor, there is the veal pen, but beyond that there is a range of domesticated livestock – some in pens, but given hay, some even pasture raised and hormone free, like perhaps FDL, on a good day.
Most of these livestock have no idea what freedom is, and claim not to want it. Their home is defined by the enclosures the Democratic Party gives them. It is allowed to have a primary challenge, so they can advocate that if the swill is getting too foul.
But kicking down the gates and bolting? that is waaaay too scary, and discussions of this taboo subject become heated, when (D) defenders deign to discuss this with apostates.
Even the proudest beeves on the prairie end up being served up to the masters of the corporate Party duopoly, just like the veal calves.
MTP with David Gregory makes them ripe for a world’s worst. And they think Chris Wallace’s ivw wi Cheney was a blow job? This nonsense show was 3 card monte!
(Friedman’s barely qualified as a shill!) And when was CAP and John Podesta ever progressive? These people are all vile villagers, beholden to corporations that fund them. I particularly like what Friedman said about the internet. hehehe. Did I say he’s an ass^^le?
I wouldn’t be surprised if they sent money to Dick Armey.
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Wishful thinking to think blacks and latinos will turn out in force for the 2010 election. The Dem’s election headquarters are going to be ghost towns compared to 2008 because the wind has been sucked out of the movement.
Just found this article via Brad Friedman
Hi… my name is Adam and I’ll be your 9/11 Truther today.
I hope this might be a good time to point out that what happened to Van Jones probable also shows that the Bill Maher/Huffington Post/Daily Kos school of thought on dealing with controversial progressive topics by throwing out and cursing at anyone/everyone that dares bringing up that controversial subject matter hasn’t been real effective.
The Democratic Party probably just lost Van Jones as a candidate, maybe forever, and as for us 9/11 Truthers, we’re not only still here, Richard Gage from Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is speaking to the Commonwealth Club in SF tomorrow night…
http://tickets.commonwealthclu…..hcode=1318
So… anyone think a truce sounds like a good idea between those who mostly just want to see some/any investigation of the events that happened on Sept 11, 2001 that includes evidence gathering, sworn testimony, etc.
“People who believe in a 9/11 conspiracy reveal a mental weakness so fundamental – and express a position so insanely odious – that they ought not be let near any position of responsibility in government. That 35% of Democrats believed this in 2007 says something about Democrats but doesn’t change the issue at hand in any way.
Don’t stand behind any 9/11 Truthers, ever. Fire them first and ask questions later.”
The Commonwealth Club of California disagrees. Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth will be speaking to the Commonwealth Club of California tomorrow night.
09/08/09
Richard Gage: 9/11 Blueprint for Truth, Reexamining the WTC Collapses
Gage shares his controversial findings on what he believes REALLY brought down the Trade towers on 9/11
9/11 Blueprint for Truth: Re-examining the WTC Collapses
Richard Gage, AIA, Founder, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Five years after the 9/11 Commission published its report, some people question the official findings on what brought down the World Trade Center. In a multimedia program, Gage contends that forensic evidence and eyewitness testimony reveal explosive-controlled demolition of the WTC skyscrapers on 9/11. Fact or fiction? Don’t miss this opportunity to hear Gage’s bold and controversial address, and have the chance to put your tough questions to the speaker.
MLF: International Relations
Location: SF Club Office
Time: 5:30 p.m. networking, 6 p.m. program
Cost: $8 members, $15 non-members”
http://tickets.commonwealthclu…..hcode=1318
OMG, talk about missing the mark.
In case you don’t know it, the Commonwealth Club pick a few speakers each year to spit at. They wear bibs for the event and everything.
An epic fail, nice try.
“OMG, talk about missing the mark.
The Commonwealth Club of California disagrees.
In case you don’t know it, the Commonwealth Club pick a few speakers each year to spit at. They wear bibs for the event and everything.
An epic fail, nice try.”
Hey there Newton!
David Ray Griffin a professor of theology, author of 32 books, several related to the topic of 9/11 Truth, already spoke to the Commonwealth Club of California, in March of 2006.
Here’s the video from that event (which is full of lots of applause, but seems to be completely free of spitballs and bibs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NravnBACmS0
Epic fail right back at you, duuuuuude ;)
I love it when troofers make my case for me by linking to this material.
And you are so welcome.
Faux scifinews says it’s the Independants that will decide what the health care bill will contain.