Comments on: Moyers Credits Glenn Greenwald on Moyers (Video)

By: klynn

klynn — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:20:00 +0000

Benn followed that quote with:

“But they’re poor, demoralized (the public). They’re frightened. And therefore, they think perhaps the safest thing to do is take orders and hope for the best.”

When the public self censors, they no longer live in a democracy.

By: klynn

klynn — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:13:00 +0000

Jane,

It sounds like you, Glenn, Bill Moyers, Tony Benn, Stan Brock and a few folks could make a video and or have a national tour that focuses on the “moral” issue of health care as a nation.

There is another underlying issue. National security. A healthy nation is a productive nation. A healthy and productive nation is also an educated and confident nation. A productive nation builds a stable economy. A stable economy builds on ingenuity, discovery, research and development.

But as Benn noted in SICKO:

“An educated, healthy and confident nation is harder to govern because they (the public) will get out of the control of the top 1% of the world population who own 80% of the world’s wealth.”

By: masslib

masslib — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:36:09 +0000

No, that’s not what I meant. I meant Moyers said that the President should fight for public insurance, win or lose, and not the corporate-friendly bill being crafted today in Congress. That opinion is at odds with your advocacy. I thought since you were looking so hard at what Moyers is saying, you may want to discuss the parts where he doesn’t agree with you.

By: sporkovat

sporkovat — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:18:52 +0000

as long as we’re giving respect to old Mr Moyers, lets highlight something else he said:

MOYERS: I don’t think the problem is the Republicans . . . .The problem is the Democratic Party. This is a party that has told its progressives — who are the most outspoken champions of health care reform — to sit down and shut up.

I wonder why that was omitted - did Winston Smith snip it?

By: ChuckinDenton

ChuckinDenton — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:28:45 +0000

Good article on Lady Bird. I knew about her campaign trip in ‘64 thru the South and that quote by LBJ about losing the South, but didn’t know about her relationship with the Durrs, et al. Thanks!

By: Jane Hamsher

Jane Hamsher — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:12:35 +0000

Moyers is explicitly quoting Glenn Greenwald on the Senate Finance Committee Bill, who explicitly refers to my post on the Baucus Caucus in his piece.

What am I supposed to say? That I agree with myself?

By: masslib

masslib — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:21:12 +0000

Yeah, if I lived in America’s Canada, I’d be protecting my health care too. Perhaps Obama should not have run around talking “entitlement reforms” and Medicare cuts. He has not really been very eloquent in explaining those cuts, and frankly I think Medicare needs to be improved anyway, so some of those cuts to private subsidies(ironic that in the middle of a bill larded with private subsidies this would be the source of financing)should be put right back into Medicare to add to what care it finances. Young Ezra should remember, if he is lucky, someday he too will be old, and he’ll probably want to protect his Canada as well. Honestly, the ageism from the Left gets..well, old.

By: masslib

masslib — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:06:24 +0000

Jane, you’ve looked at the Moyers piece twice now, without commenting on the essence of Moyers argument, that the current proposals are corporate friendly and Obama should be fighting for vigorous public health insurance, win or lose. Do you have an opinion on his argument?

By: sporkovat

sporkovat — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:54:28 +0000

depending how a thread goes, it’s kind of fun to ask Obamaphiles, “well, what are his big accomplishments so far, that made him worth supporting and defending?”

let me know if you get any good answers, ok?

By: Bluetoe2

Bluetoe2 — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:07:09 +0000

People can’t listen if they are not given an opportunity to hear. Having him on NPR is a safe bet for the ruling elites.