Comments on: Health Care Reporting: Bill Moyers Shows How It’s Done http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:37:02 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41522 letsgetitdone Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:52:52 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41522 <p>ralphbon, yes, they won’t get us to single payer; but even worse, when people find out that even the feeble PO in these bills won’t be available until 2013, I think the Democrats are going to be laughed out of their majority in the House and will also lose seats in the Senate. Waiting four years to make the mechanism that’s supposed to control cost inflation in health insurance doesn’t pass the laugh test.</p> ralphbon, yes, they won’t get us to single payer; but even worse, when people find out that even the feeble PO in these bills won’t be available until 2013, I think the Democrats are going to be laughed out of their majority in the House and will also lose seats in the Senate. Waiting four years to make the mechanism that’s supposed to control cost inflation in health insurance doesn’t pass the laugh test.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41521 letsgetitdone Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:44:44 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41521 <p>Right now, I no longer trust the President, and will “oppose him” on all sorts of issues. His financial bailout of Wall Street at the expense of Main Street, his compromise on the stimulus, on the cap-and-trade bill, his antics on the health insurance reform, his lack of support for accountability on torture, and his lack of effort on establishing the principle that the President and the Executive Branch are not above the law, are all too much for me. He’s going to have to change course across the board to win back my trust.</p> Right now, I no longer trust the President, and will “oppose him” on all sorts of issues. His financial bailout of Wall Street at the expense of Main Street, his compromise on the stimulus, on the cap-and-trade bill, his antics on the health insurance reform, his lack of support for accountability on torture, and his lack of effort on establishing the principle that the President and the Executive Branch are not above the law, are all too much for me. He’s going to have to change course across the board to win back my trust.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41520 letsgetitdone Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:36:39 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41520 <p>Jane, it may be far-fetched to expect that. But if Move-on doesn’t do that it won’t get another dollar from all the folks like me who were previously supporting it. Because Move-on is apparently quite happy to go the mat for HR 3200 and/or Senate HELP, I’m quite happy to look at other Progressive organizations to support. I don’t know how many people like me there are out there, but I’m ready to “move on” to organizations that share my beliefs about health insurance reform more closely than Move-on does.</p> Jane, it may be far-fetched to expect that. But if Move-on doesn’t do that it won’t get another dollar from all the folks like me who were previously supporting it. Because Move-on is apparently quite happy to go the mat for HR 3200 and/or Senate HELP, I’m quite happy to look at other Progressive organizations to support. I don’t know how many people like me there are out there, but I’m ready to “move on” to organizations that share my beliefs about health insurance reform more closely than Move-on does.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41519 letsgetitdone Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:22:10 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41519 <p>masslib, not just someone. For once we need a President to do that. My God, have we had one who would that since Lyndon Johnson?</p> masslib, not just someone. For once we need a President to do that. My God, have we had one who would that since Lyndon Johnson?

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41518 letsgetitdone Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:19:48 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41518 <p>Right masslib, even Rachel Maddow seems not to realize that the Senate HELP and HR 3200 bills are terribly inadequate. She seems to believe they will give every American the opportunity to buy into Medicare.</p> Right masslib, even Rachel Maddow seems not to realize that the Senate HELP and HR 3200 bills are terribly inadequate. She seems to believe they will give every American the opportunity to buy into Medicare.

]]> By: ralphbon http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41459 ralphbon Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:04:07 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41459 <blockquote><p>Yeah, that’s going to happen. MoveOn is going to oppose the White House and put a bunch of money in to single payer.</p></blockquote> <p>I believe that’s what they thought they were doing when they signed on to the HCAN coalition. In the summer of 2008, Jacob Hacker was openly pitching his plan as a gradualist but straightforward path to single payer. That was before Obama became president and swore on a stack of bibles that Obamacare is not a path to single payer, and he is speaking the truth with regard to current legislation. </p> <p>As I’ve noted before, people who believe HR 3200 (much less the Senate HELP bill) will get us to single payer have no standing in accusing others of magical thinking.</p>

Yeah, that’s going to happen. MoveOn is going to oppose the White House and put a bunch of money in to single payer.

I believe that’s what they thought they were doing when they signed on to the HCAN coalition. In the summer of 2008, Jacob Hacker was openly pitching his plan as a gradualist but straightforward path to single payer. That was before Obama became president and swore on a stack of bibles that Obamacare is not a path to single payer, and he is speaking the truth with regard to current legislation.

As I’ve noted before, people who believe HR 3200 (much less the Senate HELP bill) will get us to single payer have no standing in accusing others of magical thinking.

]]> By: masslib http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41457 masslib Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:53:33 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41457 <p>Well, until advocacy groups get back to advocating for policy, no matter the President in the WH, then they are pretty worthless as activists. You can support and agitate for Medicare for All without “opposing the President”.</p> Well, until advocacy groups get back to advocating for policy, no matter the President in the WH, then they are pretty worthless as activists. You can support and agitate for Medicare for All without “opposing the President”.

]]> By: masslib http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41456 masslib Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:51:19 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41456 <p>No, he’s talking about fighting for vigorous public insurance, and not the very corporate bill Congress is developing. How can you not hear that? Do you really see Moyers as talking about no more than supporting a public option inside a very corporate-friendly bill? Unbelievable.</p> No, he’s talking about fighting for vigorous public insurance, and not the very corporate bill Congress is developing. How can you not hear that? Do you really see Moyers as talking about no more than supporting a public option inside a very corporate-friendly bill? Unbelievable.

]]> By: SydB http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41453 SydB Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:44:18 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41453 <p>Is Rahm the President or is Rahm a servant of the President? Sometimes when I read Jane Hamsher I get confused…</p> <p>The focus on Rahm’s machinations seems to be at times an attempt to not criticize Obama for the health care debacle.</p> Is Rahm the President or is Rahm a servant of the President? Sometimes when I read Jane Hamsher I get confused…

The focus on Rahm’s machinations seems to be at times an attempt to not criticize Obama for the health care debacle.

]]> By: Jane Hamsher http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41449 Jane Hamsher Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:49:20 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/29/health-care-reporting-bill-moyers-shows-how-its-done/#comment-41449 <p>Yeah, that’s going to happen. MoveOn is going to oppose the White House and put a bunch of money in to single payer.</p> Yeah, that’s going to happen. MoveOn is going to oppose the White House and put a bunch of money in to single payer.

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