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	<title>Comments on: Kagro:  Name The Public Option, Not the Bill, After Kennedy</title>
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		<title>By: sbvpav</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/27/kagro-name-the-public-option-not-the-bill-after-kennedy/#comment-41015</link>
		<dc:creator>sbvpav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the measure having been voted out of teddy’s senate health committee should become the law of the land, no more and no less. let those who stand to object, obstruct or obfuscate be warned: you will hear us in your next primary when we vote against you!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the measure having been voted out of teddy’s senate health committee should become the law of the land, no more and no less. let those who stand to object, obstruct or obfuscate be warned: you will hear us in your next primary when we vote against you!</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/27/kagro-name-the-public-option-not-the-bill-after-kennedy/#comment-41014</link>
		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A similar suspension of logic and moral rectitude was required of the Supremes to hold that money equals free speech …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar suspension of logic and moral rectitude was required of the Supremes to hold that money equals free speech …</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/27/kagro-name-the-public-option-not-the-bill-after-kennedy/#comment-41009</link>
		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is a reasonable comparison to suggest that those who argue that universal access (not “insurance”) to health care is too “expensive” (for that is the crux of the “can’t afford it” crowd) are very like those who opposed ending slavery in America (and in the rest of the world) on economic grounds.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a reasonable comparison to suggest that those who argue that universal access (not “insurance”) to health care is too “expensive” (for that is the crux of the “can’t afford it” crowd) are very like those who opposed ending slavery in America (and in the rest of the world) on economic grounds.</p>
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		<title>By: CasualObserver</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/27/kagro-name-the-public-option-not-the-bill-after-kennedy/#comment-41005</link>
		<dc:creator>CasualObserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;you guys are killing me with this stuff.  how the hell can I stay starry-eyed when you keep dumping this &lt;em&gt;reality&lt;/em&gt; on me?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys are killing me with this stuff.  how the hell can I stay starry-eyed when you keep dumping this <em>reality</em> on me?</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/27/kagro-name-the-public-option-not-the-bill-after-kennedy/#comment-41004</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LBJ pushed through civil rights and the voting rights legislation after the assassination of JFK.  Both acts where to further the rights of people denied constitutional protection and due process, at the state level.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Due process and rights afforded corporations as a result of the 14th Amendment’s ratification, which addressed the issue of citizenship, i.e. Dred Scott, now is directly pitted against the life and liberty of every American.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jefferson and Madison wanted restrictions on monopolies and corporations.  They did not want corporations to have the same rights as living people.  The monied interests in health care will seek to perpetuate their way of doing business just like the Kind of England, figured he could!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since one’s health is intrinsically attached to  “Life,”  healthiness is a right! Health insurers who have operated under the guise of Not for profit are really tax exempt corporations, abusing a legal opening under subsection F Exempt Corporations of the IRS Code as it interacts with public charity laws at the state level.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Senator E.M.K. was my senator for many years.  I did not agree with him on many things.  I believe Senator Kennedy in death will enable President Obama to deliver liberty and justice for the American people, &lt;strong&gt;from corporations and monied interests&lt;/strong&gt; surely as LBJ pushed through Civil Rights Legislation and Voting Rights Legislation, after the assassination of JFK, to address the inadequacies of the 14th amendment, which addressed Justice Taney’s decision in Dred Scott which in essence found;  slaves where property, not entitled to constitutional protection, hence the court lacked jurisdiction to entertain Scott’s case. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The suspension of logic required to rationalize Taney’s decision in Dred Scott vs Sanford, is again being exhibited in the health care debate.  To argue that one’s health is not related to one’s “Life” and believe it is not a right,  is as inane as to believe that “individuals are property.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dred Scott’s denial by the SJC to due process and to petition his government, was for the protection and benefit of slave owners who relied on uncompensated enslaved labor.  Like Scott,  health care reform should not be about protecting tax exempt corporations who exercise legalized discrimination under the color of law, while being considered ‘Public Charities, ”  for tax law purposes.  Health care reform is about protecting people form corporations who exploit law for profit, at the expense of Liberties and Live’s of Americans..  Senator Kennedy understood this!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LBJ pushed through civil rights and the voting rights legislation after the assassination of JFK.  Both acts where to further the rights of people denied constitutional protection and due process, at the state level.</p>
<p>Due process and rights afforded corporations as a result of the 14th Amendment’s ratification, which addressed the issue of citizenship, i.e. Dred Scott, now is directly pitted against the life and liberty of every American.</p>
<p>Jefferson and Madison wanted restrictions on monopolies and corporations.  They did not want corporations to have the same rights as living people.  The monied interests in health care will seek to perpetuate their way of doing business just like the Kind of England, figured he could!</p>
<p>Since one’s health is intrinsically attached to  “Life,”  healthiness is a right! Health insurers who have operated under the guise of Not for profit are really tax exempt corporations, abusing a legal opening under subsection F Exempt Corporations of the IRS Code as it interacts with public charity laws at the state level.</p>
<p>Senator E.M.K. was my senator for many years.  I did not agree with him on many things.  I believe Senator Kennedy in death will enable President Obama to deliver liberty and justice for the American people, <strong>from corporations and monied interests</strong> surely as LBJ pushed through Civil Rights Legislation and Voting Rights Legislation, after the assassination of JFK, to address the inadequacies of the 14th amendment, which addressed Justice Taney’s decision in Dred Scott which in essence found;  slaves where property, not entitled to constitutional protection, hence the court lacked jurisdiction to entertain Scott’s case. </p>
<p>The suspension of logic required to rationalize Taney’s decision in Dred Scott vs Sanford, is again being exhibited in the health care debate.  To argue that one’s health is not related to one’s “Life” and believe it is not a right,  is as inane as to believe that “individuals are property.”</p>
<p>Dred Scott’s denial by the SJC to due process and to petition his government, was for the protection and benefit of slave owners who relied on uncompensated enslaved labor.  Like Scott,  health care reform should not be about protecting tax exempt corporations who exercise legalized discrimination under the color of law, while being considered ‘Public Charities, ”  for tax law purposes.  Health care reform is about protecting people form corporations who exploit law for profit, at the expense of Liberties and Live’s of Americans..  Senator Kennedy understood this!</p>
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		<title>By: lukasiak</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/27/kagro-name-the-public-option-not-the-bill-after-kennedy/#comment-41001</link>
		<dc:creator>lukasiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;as you well know, Jane, the resolution that you cited was so weak as to be essentially meaningless.  (&lt;a href=&quot;http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/kennedy-affirms-support-for-public-healthcare-plan-2009-05-21.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;From the same article…&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Kennedy has co-sponsored a resolution introduced by Sen. Sherrod Brown (Ohio) and 26 other Democratic senators … purely symbolic…The resolution does not specify what form the public plan must take.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Trying to pretend that Kennedy spent his last months fighting for a “public option” is “shameless and craven”.   Kennedy was, ultimately, a deal-maker, and with a President who was making backroom deals with PhRMA, AHA, and AHIP, and who didn’t want single payer on the table, Kennedy simply had neither the time nor the energy to effectively act as an advocate for the policy that he favored — and the result is the truly awful bill that emerged from &lt;b&gt;his committee&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The HELP committee bill is not something that Ted Kennedy would ever have allowed to happen had he not been sick — it is, in fact, a reflection of how sick he really was for the past six months.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as you well know, Jane, the resolution that you cited was so weak as to be essentially meaningless.  (<a href="http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/kennedy-affirms-support-for-public-healthcare-plan-2009-05-21.html" rel="nofollow">From the same article…</a>)</p>
<p><i>Kennedy has co-sponsored a resolution introduced by Sen. Sherrod Brown (Ohio) and 26 other Democratic senators … purely symbolic…The resolution does not specify what form the public plan must take.</i></p>
<p>Trying to pretend that Kennedy spent his last months fighting for a “public option” is “shameless and craven”.   Kennedy was, ultimately, a deal-maker, and with a President who was making backroom deals with PhRMA, AHA, and AHIP, and who didn’t want single payer on the table, Kennedy simply had neither the time nor the energy to effectively act as an advocate for the policy that he favored — and the result is the truly awful bill that emerged from <b>his committee</b>.</p>
<p>The HELP committee bill is not something that Ted Kennedy would ever have allowed to happen had he not been sick — it is, in fact, a reflection of how sick he really was for the past six months.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarecrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Honor Guard now removing casket to take into the JFK Library — family members have left their cars to go inside, waiting.  Total silence in the crowd. Families follow behind the guard.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honor Guard now removing casket to take into the JFK Library — family members have left their cars to go inside, waiting.  Total silence in the crowd. Families follow behind the guard.</p>
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		<title>By: Millineryman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Millineryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How about we leave his name off it completly so it lessens any political implications of his name? What happens if it’s a weak public option and it has his name on it? Also, it would quite the shinny object for the right to use a fodder to feed it base.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we leave his name off it completly so it lessens any political implications of his name? What happens if it’s a weak public option and it has his name on it? Also, it would quite the shinny object for the right to use a fodder to feed it base.</p>
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		<title>By: BillWalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillWalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the info, Jane.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, Jane.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“It would be the most shameful and craven act of political opportunism  …”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ah ha! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Apparently, Paul you are unfamiliar with my patented “method” of accurately anticipating American History?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It goes like this: 1.Look at the “situation” in question. 2.Look at the “players” involved. 3. Imagine the worst possible outcome, under the “circumstances”. 4. …Well there is no number four, ‘cuz you’ve just accurately predicted, more or less, what will happen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can bet on it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You will “win”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You will be right and you can tell everybody that you told them so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, experience has shown that there is little or no satisfaction which attends this exercise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, there it is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(I think this predictability arises from America’s fundamental “Exceptional-ism” and antipathy as regards paying any attention to history. Whatever the cause of the underlying “pattern”, statistically, it is damned close to 100% accurate.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;DW&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“It would be the most shameful and craven act of political opportunism  …”</p>
<p>Ah ha! </p>
<p>Apparently, Paul you are unfamiliar with my patented “method” of accurately anticipating American History?</p>
<p>It goes like this: 1.Look at the “situation” in question. 2.Look at the “players” involved. 3. Imagine the worst possible outcome, under the “circumstances”. 4. …Well there is no number four, ‘cuz you’ve just accurately predicted, more or less, what will happen.</p>
<p>You can bet on it.</p>
<p>You will “win”.</p>
<p>You will be right and you can tell everybody that you told them so.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, experience has shown that there is little or no satisfaction which attends this exercise.</p>
<p>But, there it is.</p>
<p>(I think this predictability arises from America’s fundamental “Exceptional-ism” and antipathy as regards paying any attention to history. Whatever the cause of the underlying “pattern”, statistically, it is damned close to 100% accurate.)</p>
<p>DW</p>
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