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	<title>Comments on: VIDEO: Randall Terry Thrown Out of Jim Moran/Howard Dean Event</title>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You want it all (the Democrat agenda), and I want less.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you want less, you want us to have nothing, because we’re not getting anything &lt;em&gt;now&lt;/em&gt;. (You probably have been too busy watching Faux to notice it.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“Republican Majority”, “Democratic Majority”, and “Tyranny of the Majority” are all different things.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the most part, Republicans are straight-up corporatists, Democrats are under-cover corporatists, and the ‘tyranny of the majority’ is what conservatives start bitching about when the majority party doesn’t agree with them on everything.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You want it all (the Democrat agenda), and I want less.</p>
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<p>If you want less, you want us to have nothing, because we’re not getting anything <em>now</em>. (You probably have been too busy watching Faux to notice it.)</p>
<blockquote><p>“Republican Majority”, “Democratic Majority”, and “Tyranny of the Majority” are all different things.</p>
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<p>For the most part, Republicans are straight-up corporatists, Democrats are under-cover corporatists, and the ‘tyranny of the majority’ is what conservatives start bitching about when the majority party doesn’t agree with them on everything.</p>
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		<title>By: skiritae</title>
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		<dc:creator>skiritae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;whyknot,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While I am no constitutional scholar, I wanted to provide an explanation of my concern for “majority rule.” While it may work great on a playground, the concept of majority rule can lead to a tyranny of the majority when applied to a nation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Simply put, in a nation where a majority of citizens can pass laws that apply, not just to themselves, but to all members of the group, judgment is required to distinguish potential laws which are reasonable and fair from those which are tyrannical because they are unnecessary, unfair, and justifiably intolerable to the minority that opposed them.  (source: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.garlikov.com/philosophy/majorityrule.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.garlikov.com/philos.....tyrule.htm&lt;/a&gt;) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our Founding Fathers were very aware of this danger, particularly James Madison, who addressed this concept in Federalist Paper 51: “It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part. If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So what controls does our Government have to guard against this danger? Some quick examples are our bicameral Congress (Senate and House of Representatives) and the Electoral College.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also read another interesting essay called “On Liberty” by John Stuart Mill (http://www.constitution.org/jsm/liberty.htm), which helped me better understand this concept.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The bottom line is that no party has the “right” to impose its will simply because “we won.” This principle applies to the Republican Majority in 2001 (to which you referred) as well as to the Democratic Majority in 2009.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are witnessing the complex, often frustrating process that our nation endures to impose the will of a particular party. Republicans were partially successful in 2001, and I expect Democrats will be partially successful in 2009. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You want it all (the Democrat agenda), and I want less. Ergo, the dance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In any case, the opponents of either agenda are not necessarily evil, aligned with the rich, pawns of insurance companies, or socialists or communists.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PS: Note to dakine01 (#67): “Republican Majority”, “Democratic Majority”, and “Tyranny of the Majority” are all different things.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Skiritae&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whyknot,</p>
<p>While I am no constitutional scholar, I wanted to provide an explanation of my concern for “majority rule.” While it may work great on a playground, the concept of majority rule can lead to a tyranny of the majority when applied to a nation.</p>
<p>Simply put, in a nation where a majority of citizens can pass laws that apply, not just to themselves, but to all members of the group, judgment is required to distinguish potential laws which are reasonable and fair from those which are tyrannical because they are unnecessary, unfair, and justifiably intolerable to the minority that opposed them.  (source: <a href="http://www.garlikov.com/philosophy/majorityrule.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.garlikov.com/philos&#8230;..tyrule.htm</a>) </p>
<p>Our Founding Fathers were very aware of this danger, particularly James Madison, who addressed this concept in Federalist Paper 51: “It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part. If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure.”</p>
<p>So what controls does our Government have to guard against this danger? Some quick examples are our bicameral Congress (Senate and House of Representatives) and the Electoral College.</p>
<p>I also read another interesting essay called “On Liberty” by John Stuart Mill (<a href="http://www.constitution.org/jsm/liberty.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.constitution.org/jsm/liberty.htm</a>), which helped me better understand this concept.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that no party has the “right” to impose its will simply because “we won.” This principle applies to the Republican Majority in 2001 (to which you referred) as well as to the Democratic Majority in 2009.</p>
<p>We are witnessing the complex, often frustrating process that our nation endures to impose the will of a particular party. Republicans were partially successful in 2001, and I expect Democrats will be partially successful in 2009. </p>
<p>You want it all (the Democrat agenda), and I want less. Ergo, the dance.</p>
<p>In any case, the opponents of either agenda are not necessarily evil, aligned with the rich, pawns of insurance companies, or socialists or communists.</p>
<p>PS: Note to dakine01 (#67): “Republican Majority”, “Democratic Majority”, and “Tyranny of the Majority” are all different things.</p>
<p>Skiritae</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting that in the same comment that you use to praise the actions of the Republican majority in ‘01, you decry “the tyranny of the majority.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that in the same comment that you use to praise the actions of the Republican majority in ‘01, you decry “the tyranny of the majority.”</p>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
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		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;brendanx, “Democracy is not a suicide pact.” We don’t have to be civil to those who won’t be civil to us. Calling the Health Care Reform legislation “Nazism” isn’t civil, and we don’t have to take it civilly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brendanx, “Democracy is not a suicide pact.” We don’t have to be civil to those who won’t be civil to us. Calling the Health Care Reform legislation “Nazism” isn’t civil, and we don’t have to take it civilly.</p>
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		<title>By: whyknot</title>
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		<dc:creator>whyknot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As was finally teased out in reply 60.  Not a big fan of majority rule, can you imagine that from the mouth of an American?  A Virginian, too boot.  Amazingly sad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As was finally teased out in reply 60.  Not a big fan of majority rule, can you imagine that from the mouth of an American?  A Virginian, too boot.  Amazingly sad.</p>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
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		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nope. They never did.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope. They never did.</p>
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		<title>By: whyknot</title>
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		<dc:creator>whyknot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Me too and it has been nice talking with you, although I think you have at last revealed yourself - you believe the 2001 legislative agenda was the right thing to do and were fine with the speed of putting that all in place (first year) but you don’t believe when the Democratic party has won majority across all legislative bodies in DC that they should enact their agenda just as quickly.  If you think this country was not established as a majority rule system you have crossed into crazy.  Your tyranny of the majority quote smacks of elitism and is facist.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too and it has been nice talking with you, although I think you have at last revealed yourself &#8211; you believe the 2001 legislative agenda was the right thing to do and were fine with the speed of putting that all in place (first year) but you don’t believe when the Democratic party has won majority across all legislative bodies in DC that they should enact their agenda just as quickly.  If you think this country was not established as a majority rule system you have crossed into crazy.  Your tyranny of the majority quote smacks of elitism and is facist.</p>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
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		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;skiritae, jane and her friend weren’t lying. Also, you said:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There were so many sheep there last night bleating subservience to The Divine One that it made me feel sorry for Northern Virginia. I’ve always been proud to be a Virginian and proud of my heritage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How sad that you are all in a rush to commit national suicide and hand over your lives to big government.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, I feel exactly the same way about you teabaggers. Totally irrational, complete tools of the insurance industry. I was really glad to see a trun out of Virginians who, in the great majority, were in favor of health care reform. As for handing our lives over to the Government is concerned, right now the lives of my children are controlled in significant measure by the health insurance companies and the consequences of how they do business. What I’m interested in is their freedom from these bloodsucking profiteers who are running nothing less than a legal con game. (I’m already free because I have Medicare.) Any person with a lick of common sense would prefer being insured (controlled) by the Government to being ensured by United Health Care, BCBS, or any of the other insurance companies who are killing and bankrupting Americans everyday.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skiritae, jane and her friend weren’t lying. Also, you said:</p>
<blockquote><p>There were so many sheep there last night bleating subservience to The Divine One that it made me feel sorry for Northern Virginia. I’ve always been proud to be a Virginian and proud of my heritage.</p>
<p>How sad that you are all in a rush to commit national suicide and hand over your lives to big government.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Well, I feel exactly the same way about you teabaggers. Totally irrational, complete tools of the insurance industry. I was really glad to see a trun out of Virginians who, in the great majority, were in favor of health care reform. As for handing our lives over to the Government is concerned, right now the lives of my children are controlled in significant measure by the health insurance companies and the consequences of how they do business. What I’m interested in is their freedom from these bloodsucking profiteers who are running nothing less than a legal con game. (I’m already free because I have Medicare.) Any person with a lick of common sense would prefer being insured (controlled) by the Government to being ensured by United Health Care, BCBS, or any of the other insurance companies who are killing and bankrupting Americans everyday.</p>
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		<title>By: whyknot</title>
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		<dc:creator>whyknot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry to jump in when you responded to someone else, such are the bad manners of the internet.  Obama’s plan for a public option as part of an insurance exchange would indeed allow individuals and small business to participate, for a market price, in the same quality medical care available at present to seniors and vets.  The difference would be both somewhat higher reimbursement rates and a change in payout encouraging better results rather than a higher number of procedures to garner extra payment for perhaps no other reason.  No one would be forced to take this plan but it would be non-profit and presumably cheaper.  Insurance companies, eager to retain their customers despite the fact that they have abused said customers, would likely lower their collusion-jacked prices and thus all employers would save money, including those that have private insurance for their workers.  This is somewhat similar to removing the pay incentive of bankers to take enormous risks b/c they win if they win and taxpayers lose if they lose.  The Wall Streeters and Big Auto have not become good guys b/c the government took them over to avert generalized global economic collapse.  Please make sensible arguments.&lt;br /&gt;
Making a profit is one thing, making a profit based on defaulting on existing contracts, revoking insurance and engaging in price collusion and other non-competitive practices is wrong and has damaged the insurers with their own customers, possibly beyond repair.  The government will stop in this case when all citizens have access to proper medical care and health insurance is available for purchase on a freely accessible and regulated exchange.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to jump in when you responded to someone else, such are the bad manners of the internet.  Obama’s plan for a public option as part of an insurance exchange would indeed allow individuals and small business to participate, for a market price, in the same quality medical care available at present to seniors and vets.  The difference would be both somewhat higher reimbursement rates and a change in payout encouraging better results rather than a higher number of procedures to garner extra payment for perhaps no other reason.  No one would be forced to take this plan but it would be non-profit and presumably cheaper.  Insurance companies, eager to retain their customers despite the fact that they have abused said customers, would likely lower their collusion-jacked prices and thus all employers would save money, including those that have private insurance for their workers.  This is somewhat similar to removing the pay incentive of bankers to take enormous risks b/c they win if they win and taxpayers lose if they lose.  The Wall Streeters and Big Auto have not become good guys b/c the government took them over to avert generalized global economic collapse.  Please make sensible arguments.<br />
Making a profit is one thing, making a profit based on defaulting on existing contracts, revoking insurance and engaging in price collusion and other non-competitive practices is wrong and has damaged the insurers with their own customers, possibly beyond repair.  The government will stop in this case when all citizens have access to proper medical care and health insurance is available for purchase on a freely accessible and regulated exchange.</p>
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		<title>By: skiritae</title>
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		<dc:creator>skiritae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;whynot, I’ve got to run, but no.  I did not have a problem with the Republican actions that you apparently perceive as wrong in 2001.  I thought they were the right thing to do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I understand that many people think that healthcare for all is also the ‘right thing to do’.  I think we just disagree on the ‘how’ of it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By the way, I am not a big fan of “majority rule”. At the risk of exciting the lawyers in here, I think that our Founding Fathers deliberately established our form of Government as a constitutional republic in order to avoid the tyranny of the majority.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Skiritae&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whynot, I’ve got to run, but no.  I did not have a problem with the Republican actions that you apparently perceive as wrong in 2001.  I thought they were the right thing to do.</p>
<p>I understand that many people think that healthcare for all is also the ‘right thing to do’.  I think we just disagree on the ‘how’ of it.</p>
<p>By the way, I am not a big fan of “majority rule”. At the risk of exciting the lawyers in here, I think that our Founding Fathers deliberately established our form of Government as a constitutional republic in order to avoid the tyranny of the majority.</p>
<p>Skiritae</p>
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