My my my. After Markos published poll results indicating Jim Cooper had a 16% approval rating on his handling of health care from Democrats in his district and was ripe for a primary challenge, Cooper isn’t too happy:
"Private polls are inherently inaccurate, and most people disregard them. He who pays the piper calls the tune, and the Daily Kos got what it wanted. The whole premise of the poll is that I oppose a public option, and that is simply not true. I have repeatedly said that I’m FOR a public option, and that there are multiple ways to do it. I agree with Sen. Chuck Schumer’s position on the issue, and the Daily Kos is not attacking him.
Cooper has said he’d vote no on H.R. 3200, which is the only bill out there with an even remotely viable public option. The only oath he has is to "controlling health care costs" and insuring that any health care bill is "deficit neutral."
And how does he plan to do that? Well, as chairman of the Blue Dog Coalition’s Health Care Reform task force, Cooper was responsible for drafting their principles should there happen to be a public option (which they do not endorse). Among them, "Adheres to the Free Market": which means keeping any public plan from using Medicare reimbursement rates. Since Medicare rates are about 80% of private insurance rates, add 20% more costs.
That means more money for doctors and hospitals, and higher premiums for constituents in his districts.
Cooper has also been promoting "co-ops," which are only a "public plan" in the mind of Kent Conrad and the insurance industry operatives who love them:
"A co-op is really used over three-quarters of the land area of America so we buy our electricity that way," said Cooper. "It’s a creature of the New Deal. It’s worked really pretty well over all the country for 70 or 80 years. It’s owned by the customers; it is not owned by the government. It works. It works real well. There are good ways to solve this problem…. We can solve any problem we want to in this great country. Let’s put our minds together and calmly and rationally solve this health care problem. It’s eluded every president for 60 years, but we can do it and we can do it without a big government solution."
Cooper’s sudden enthusiasm for rural electrical co-ops is puzzling, given the article he published in the Harvard Journal on Legislation blasting them only the year before for having "turned away from their historic role" as pro-consumer organizations and had "taken on deeply troubling anti-consumer behaviors." And as many have noted, co-ops would not have the bargaining clout to keep costs down — so, chalk up more "fiscal responsibility" hypocrisy from Cooper.
But more to the point, Cooper’s claim that the Kos poll presumes he "opposes a public option" is nonsense. None of the questions mention that.
Sure Cooper says he supports a public option. But the conditions he’s placed on one mean that it has no ability to control costs and be "deficit neutral" — which is the Cooper prime directive.
It’s arrogant and cynical to think nobody would notice. In other words, pure Jim Cooper.



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Cooked his flabby ass but not the poll results. I guess Coopers suffers from Baucus Blindness – where a politician thinks what they do in D.C. has no effect on what the hell they say back home. Well, here is a tip Cosmo even the folks back home in TN have a little thing called the internet and shit they know how to read too.
Dumb shit can’t even buy a clue.
I hope KOS runs polls on all these Blue Puppies.
“Private polls are inherently inaccurate, and most people disregard them”
Is there such a thing as a “public poll”?
“A co-op is really used over three-quarters of the land area of America so we buy our electricity that way,”
WE need to get right on this, becuase electricity rates have just been PLUMETTING since deregulation.. good move cooper
Hey Solerso, Are you being serious or sarcastic? I’m hoping sarcastic.
There was a damning story on NPR about the diary farmers co-op cartel, DFA and how it’s been bragging about how it’s squeezing the dairy farmers so the distributor (Dean Foods) can make more profit.
This is what the health insurance co-ops would look like, a mechanism for maximizing corporate profit at the expense of individuals.
And who is gonna run these stupid co-ops, anyway? Not the members. They will hire insurance companies to run them, and the insurance companies sure won’t let them compete. Co-ops are a front for an insurance company bailout — don’t let Democrats bailout the insurance companies!
“Private polls are inherently inaccurate,and most people disregard them.”
So, Mr. Cooper, how come you gotcher panties in a wad over it?
WATB.
I think it is terribly unfair that fdl accuses Cooper of not supporting a public option. Clearly Jane was not paying attention to which side of his mouth he was talking out of at the time.
shorter
turdblossomCooper:Looks like we have found a winner for some of that donation money doesn’t it? Cooper lost his mind, and his job.
Well, Jane’s only human after all. And it’s really hard with pols who spend so much time talking out of their asses!
FunnyWheelieDiva
Cooper spends all of his time selling out to the insurance companies and rather than getting the appreciation he deserves for this he gets no respect. Life is so unfair. Just think if he loses in 2012, he might have to pay for his own healthcare insurance. The irony . . .
I think that is just barbaric.
Private polls are inherently inaccurate, and most people disregard them.
So can we infer from this that Cooper doesn’t commission private polls when he runs for election?
I’ll just add that there’s nothing inherently inaccurate about a private poll relative to one commissioned by the government or the press. Leading questions, bad assumptions about the population to be surveyed, and lots of other things can contribute to a bad result. That it was commissioned by someone with a point of view doesn’t make it inaccurate. People with a point of view often want to know how popular their points of view are.
I suspect that he’ll be picked up as a lobbyist, board member, or spokesperson if he’s defeated. In that case, he won’t be lacking for health insurance.
Americans elect guys like this thinking he or she is the best candidate.
There are two flaws in this thinking. First, many people in any community are as capable as, if not more capable than, Cooper. He’s just a top predator. Second, it really doesn’t matter who the candidates are (with rare exception), They’re all bought and sold.
I hope that if HCR fails, progressives will join together to consider how best to replace, not work within, the current system.
I’m constantly trying to wrap my head around the numbers, but couldn’t hospitals and docs get reimbursed at higher than Medicare rates in a Public Option without the premiums getting jacked up on constituents? If docs in particular choose not to accept clients with the Public Option on account of reimbursement disparity, constituents could feel the squeeze from the access side. Seems like lowering the cost of insurance overhead is where the big cuts need to happen for consumers and providers to be satisfied.
Replace it with what?
Until fairly recently, much health insurance coverage was provided by non-profit organizations. While I don’t have any figures handy, I expect that they were much in line with the cost of Medicare, say 3-5 percent overhead. Now, most of the coverage is for-profit. For-profits expect 20 percent overhead, or more. Right there is a huge part of the overhead. The market is working the way such markets tend to work.
Any change that Congress tries to make to how the health insurance industry is run won’t last for long, even assuming they’re made in good faith. The government, sooner or later, will let the industry get away with just about anything, as has happened recently with the banks and securities.
Dear Congressman Knucklehead,
Land area has nothing to do with population. Got it? Good.
One of the myths is that Medicare rates are too low for hospitals and doctors to make a decent profit. Hacker’s whitepaper that went out to you on 8.20.09 (About the public option) affirms that Medicare rates are adequate to meet the cost of healthcare and that private rates are higher only because doctors and hospitals can get away with charging them to the uninsured and others. Cooper and the Blue Dogs are working for the for-profits and insurance companies. Don’t let him and them off the hook. Let me go look for Hacker’s pdf.
Here: http://www.ourfuture.org/files…..t_2009.pdf
Single payer!
Do you mean 20% administrative costs? They are a major portion of the overhead but not all of it. Comparing administrative costs between Medicare and private insurance I wouldn’t include marketing as an administrative cost. Insurance companies pay a ton in marketing their products.
According to this article, Cooper’s district looks to be heavily Democratic. A primary challenge is more likely to be serious there than a challenge from the GOP.
That’s a hint of where all this is really coming from.
I think ART45 was talking about replacing our political system, not health care.
No, I mean that of five dollars paid in premiums, four (or fewer) are sent on to the medical care providers. I examined this here a couple of weeks ago, along with a canard or two.
This WaPo article I referenced mentions that the expected margin is usually 25% – meaning one dollar in four stays with the insurance company.
Here’s Hacker’s whitepaper:
http://www.ourfuture.org/files…..t_2009.pdf
don’t these economically-illiterate people realize that the best way to contain prices (and therefore the deficit impact) would be to have the strong PO, as oppose to a system that relies on tiny co-ops with no negotiating leverage and no ability to assert pressure on private insurers to beat up on service providers? How do we get this message across? It’s so self-evident but our legislators are just soooooo dense. Our country is going to fail out of chronic anumeracy and stupidity. Aaaarrghhhh!
I favor direct democracy.
Everyone gets one vote. Each vote is equal.
The republican form of government made sense to our Founders.
It does not make sense at all today.
Hold the Blue Dogs’ paws to the fire.
especially when the intermediating layer of representatives are pervasively corrupt and pervasively anti-democratic.
For a taste of direct democracy, look carefully at California. I don’t want direct democracy, at least not with a substantial supermajority requirement and a Supreme Court to protect minorities against the majority.
I read that as a call to do away with the Electoral College. The term “direct democracy” means different things to different people. You’re gonna have to be more specific.
Awwww look at him. The little fella doesn’t know what irony is.
Because if he did he wouldn’t have gotten so cute in his own defense.
Per OpenSecrets tally of Rep. Coopers’s campaign contributions from the Health Industry (from 1989 to June 25th of this year), it would appear that this is one piper who’s listening for a call because he’s definitely been paid.
http://www.opensecrets.org/new…..nsure.html
Above links to a list of contributions from the Health industry to all of our principled House Blue Dogs. Those dedicated public servants who steadfastly and honorably serve us…back home…
(wipes tear)
California is not a model of direct democracy.
It is a model of super-majority.
Besides, if a majority of Cal voters don’t want to raise taxes, I say live with the consequences.
Don’t want to say too much here.
But I’d do away with the Electoral College.
What do you think the citizen initiative is? It’s a limited form of direct democracy, and it’s a f***ing disaster.
Members of Congress look and sound like idiots when they throw their little hissy fits. Cooper can yells all he wants but he is selling out the Democratic Party and that means us.
I wonder if the people in his district know that 76,000 people will be insured (if HR 3200 passes with his help) who are uninsured now in his district:
http://energycommerce.house.go…..Cooper.pdf
Don’t know about the citizen initiative.
But I do know, as a lawyer, the U.S. government has not enacted a good law since 1965.
I won’t argue the point of whether a good law has been passed or not, but even if I conceded it hadn’t since 1965, that would be an indictment on the people passing (or not passing) the laws and not on the system.
FDR got a lot of good laws passed through this very same system.
“says he supports a public option. But the conditions he’s placed on one mean that it has no ability to control costs and be ‘deficit neutral’”
They must be getting a set of cue cards from someone on this. At her recent public meeting in my town, my own so-called representative, Betsy Markey, took this same tack pretty much word for word. She supports a public option but has concerns about cost and has to make the deficit her first priority. She can’t/won’t explain:
* what she means by a public option,
* why the deficit should be our main priority just now,
* or why skimping on healthcare reform is the best way to address the deficit.
We can’t let these types pretend that government cost is the only issue. The billions that we spend in private premiums and out-of-pocket costs are not “free” or even “deficit-neutral”. Healthcare costs are causing job cuts, reducing earnings, causing bankruptcies, and thus reducing tax revenues even as growing indigency places greater loads on public services.
Living the SoCal life…:
The super-majority issue is only a piece of the messy puzzle here. Bottom line, trading to get the California-style citizen initiative system means giving away corruption in favor of ignorance. Only makes sense if you think you can educate more people than your corrupt adversaries can brainwash.
WTF?
I don’t know about that.
But I’d agree that a bunch of good laws have been gutted Reagan and since.
Yeah, it is astounding to me at how we can’t increase the budget deficit by a single dollar for health care, but the deficit never comes up when it comes to defense spending or tax cuts that mostly benefit the rich.
Well when will someone ask him if he demanded to know, during the runup, whether the war in Iraq would be “deficit neutral”?
Someone also please ask him what jesus would do about a public option.
You wouldn’t happen to be a member of the Federalist Society, would you? Or a supporter of those who are?
And the california experience suggests that believing that is like fairy dust.
I’m reading Dr. Hacker’s paper now. Thanks again. I’ll try to circle back and read the other posts contributed to FDL on the subject as well.
I say the system is broken.
Working within the system is fruitless.
Progressives should seek a new system — not try to work within the current system.
If you read far enough, he also does a nice job discrediting cooperatives. Have fun!/s
This is an an open forum.
My views are what they are.
Don’t want to take over.
My my my. Cooper gonna cry.
I’m so sad! :) my smile so glad!
Cooper, you SUCK, you f-ing schmuck.
I hardly think explaining one’s concept of “direct democracy” is taking over a thread. I’m not lookin’ for a dissertation or anything. A synopsis would do just fine.
Hey, everyone.
I eat organic food and dream about guns.
That’s me.
I like you.
Are you calling for a constitutional convention, Art?
Your last line would make a great protest sign. *g*
When you say “system” I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
For example, I would argue the Electoral College is crap, the filibuster is crap, and Senatorial “holds” on legislation (and Presidential nominees) are crap, but the only one of those three “craps” that are in the Constitution is the Electoral College. The others are byproducts of the current “system” and thus could be reformed within the current “system.” But as I said, I don’t know what you mean by system.
Anyways, I won’t post further on this subject, and apologize now for two totally off topic posts. Maybe you could do a diary on the subject and thus start a thread or something.
Having worked in mental health for 20 years that statement raises lots of flags for me.
OldFatGuy,
I agree with you.
If nothing else, you’re real cute with words.
In my dreams, the guns never work.
See my 62.
97,000 uninsured people in his district alone in Tennessee. 87 million dollars a year in uncompensated care in his district. Mr. Cooper has a big deficit spending problem of his own developing in his hospitals. We know you are a Scrooge from your stellar work to alter Social Security earlier this year. Are you planning the same Iraqification policy for healthcare?
Actually, I find that document interesting for some of the other things it says about small businesses and the like. If you or someone close to you can’t get medical care, then that’s probably a lot more significant than the other 75,999.
Want to know about guns?
Fly on a helicopter in Vietnam in 1971 over III Corps.
You want to know Americans.
Jesus, fucking Christ.
Jesus.
Guilty as charged.
Rode river patrol and Swift boats and humped the bush 67-70 in the Delta. I know about guns.
thank you. ;)
Oh no… if he loses he will be handily picked up as an insurance company lobbyist…there is no losing for these guys once they hit the hallowed halls of “Capital” Hill.
Cujo359 and Jane: This is the main menu for All congressional districts’ impact statements for HR 3200:
I think this came from nyceve, so hats off to her:
http://energycommerce.house.go…..;Itemid=55
I think that when Americans don’t bother with either education or knowing what their government is doing, then you have a recipe for disaster no matter what the system is.
DING DING DING! We have a winnah!
Agreed.
Thanks. I grabbed a copy for my district.
Cooper wouldn’t be saying this if the R2K poll wasn’t ricocheting around Tennessee Democratic Party circles. He’s scared, all right.
Dang. Is THAT what’s going on… /snicker
Seriously, if we view California as one giant lab, just look at all the bad ideas we can weed out without subjecting the rest of the country to them. Sadly, we tend to miss the occasional good one (emission standards, perhaps) in the detritus.
Thanks. Made a copy for my district (FL-10), too.
Problem is politicians have never mastered the “Lessons Learned” concept.
Labeling an idea as good or bad depending where it came from is a logical fallacy, and rightly so.
That’s what Texas is for, per the late great Molly Ivins. Texas, aka The National Laboratory for Bad Government.
Right on, bro.
Correlation, not causality.
With a little bit of guilt by association thrown in…
Rural electric coops are not consumer driven.
The only way you can vote for a board member is to select from the one candidate in your district selected by the board nominating committee (directors), else sign your “proxy” over to the board proxy committee (directors) to vote it for you as they see fit.
Bluebonnet Coop in Texas pays a part-time consultant to act as the part-time CEO at a salary of $500,000 a year.
Check out the recent trail transcript from the Pedernales Coop (TX), the largest in the U.S. Totally co-opted by a self-serving, self-perpetuating board.
I remember going to the coop meetings in the county seat as a child in the late 1940s. It was the most wonderful thing in our world at the time. It electrified the county side. AND the GOVERNMENT paid the infrastructure cost with grants to each coop. Dairy farmers were now able to keep milk cold in chilled-water coolers. They could milk the cows using automated milkers. In Texas, it was a monument to LBJ, the moving force of rural electrification.
Now, the “professionals” running them think they are a utility not a coop.
Just not the model for health care.
Electric membership co-ops were quite a deal back in the day. Our local one, the Duck River Electric Membership Co-op, was quite active with their community outreach. They sponsored a competition for high school seniors to write papers extolling the benefits of electric cooperatives. They even had a beauty pageant, the winner being crowned “Miss DREMC.”
I’m a Pedernales Elec. member. Two former board members were running all over recently, trying to avoid US congressional subpeonas. Corruption of various sorts alledged, and imo highly likely. Class actions brought and won, if I remember correctly.
Coops don’t have to be corrupt of course, but if they are left to their own devices, and PEC was, they can become horribly corrupt.
Since he is for a public option, get him on camera agreeing to The Pledge.
To paraphrase Alec Baldwin, “Jim Cooper is one of the more moderate Republicans in the House today.” It will be a shame to see him ousted from office simply because his ‘principled’ stance on healthcare reform is so out of touch with the electorate of his state. “Good on ya’ ” Jim Cooper for sticking to your guns and ignoring the overwhelming majority of your constituents. What the hell do they know anyway? You might want to start brushing up your resume now; I have a feeling there will be a whole lot of Republicans and blue dog Democrats looking for new gigs come Nov. of 2010. R.I.P. Rep. Cooper. It was somewhat fun while it lasted.