It was somewhat disconcerting when Donna Edwards would not confirm to the Hill this week that she would vote against any bill through conference that did not have a public plan:
Edwards, who signed the letter, declined to speculate on whether she would vote against a conference bill without a strong public option.
“That’s a long way down the line,” Edwards said. “I am talking about the House vote.”
So Howie Klein asked her if she’d like to clarify that. Donna released a statement, saying she is "unequivocal, unwavering, and unapologetic" about supporting a public option. But:
It is important that we stay focused on getting a robust public option included in the House version of the bill– nothing watered down. As a progressive member of the House of Representatives, I can’t spend time guessing or speculating about what the Senate will do. I do know that if we don’t do our work to get a strong bill out of the House, we won’t be able to beg, borrow or steal a robust public option from the Senate.
Uh — Rep. Edwards signed a letter on August 17. This is what it said:
We have attached, for your review, a letter from 60 Members of Congress who are firm in their Position that any legislation that moves forward through both chambers, and into a final proposal for the President’s signature, MUST contain a public option.
That’s more than "speculated," that’s a commitment. Through conference. That’s why all those people gave all that money.
Look it’s not going to be pretty going forward. A lot of people became aware of what was going on because of the fundraising aspect, because it was exciting and it got a lot of media attention, but it was the culmination of a long, hard slog that hundreds of blogs across the country had been working on since June. It happened because over and over again, people refused to accept weasel words about what a member would "support" and demanded a real commitment, signed and acknowledged in public, to vote against any bill that does not have a public plan.
Even then, people don’t take these members of Congress seriously. As the Hill notes, the 60 signatories "include lawmakers who have said they can accept health cooperatives and others who say they wouldn’t vote against the House bill in the end."
Members of Congress think they are playing a part in an established pattern: the House passes something that makes progressives feel like they got a "win," then it either stalls in the Senate or goes to shit in conference. And then the real votes get cast.
Putting the question to members of Congress now about what they’ll do when it’s crunch time, and letting them feel the pressure from the people who gave that money when they provide unsatisfactory answers, puts the "credible" into what Kevin Drum and Ezra Klein call the "credible threat." It’s the only question that these members need to be answering, because if nobody takes them seriously, it won’t occur to anyone doing political calculus in another chamber that the only way to pass health care is to include a public plan.
Someone asked us today if we had a Senate strategy. One of our folks answered, "our House strategy is our Senate strategy."
Going forward: no matter how much you like people, you can’t cut them slack when they send up trial balloons to see if they can get away with a kabuki vote in the House and then cave on the "meaningful" vote after conference. Because it starts an avalanche of people running for the door, now that the arm twisting has begun in earnest, and it threaten to undermine the whole effort.
If you’re just joining the effort, welcome, we’re glad to have you. You can read the primer here. We’ve been through this process before with the supplemental, and responding quickly when a member started to wobble or looked like they were building themselves an escape hatch was critical (we had the hashtag #rahmflu for just such an occasion). With so many people now engaged, it will be interesting to see how effective we can be in holding members of Congress to the promises that they’ve made.
So Rep. Edwards: love ya. As you’ll recall it was our conversation a week ago today at Netroots Nation that inspired the fundraiser in the first place, though a lot of folks may not know that. We need your leadership on this. So we’re going to ask a little better from you on this one.





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Here in Maine, we have two reps. Pingree who has taken the pledge and Rep. MIke Michaud, a blue dog who is on the fence.
Pingree represents the more progressive 1st district and Michaud the more conservative and very rural 2nd district.
i had the pleasure of speaking with his Chief of Staff and the Congressman about his position. Early on he signed a letter supporting the public option, but he also signed the infamous blue dog letter. His objection was that rural hospitals and doctors were being short changed by the Medicare reinbursement plan in the current bill. I live in the 2nd district and in a very rural and poor part of maine. Getting better Medicare rates is essential to retaining the few doctors we have here.
That said, healthcare is in crisis here in economically distressed Downeast Maine. The life expectancy for Women has decreased in my county, the only county in New England to do so, The cause is poverty and a lack of access to healthcare.
Expanding healthcare and access is essential for us. I have asked Congressman Michaud to join the fight and take the pledge. He told me that he supports the public option and even the provision that allows states to go to a single payer system introduced by Congressman Kucinich, but he says he must keep an open mind and he can’t take the pledge and vote against a bill just because it does not have a public option. I think all mainers, especially those in the second district, need to call him. and let him know that if he can vow to vote against the house bill if it doesn’t solve Medicare reimbursement issues, then he can pledge to vote against a bill that has no public option.
I also intend to send him links to Act Blue to show how Chellie Pingree has been rewarded for being brave and standing up for Mainers.
Rethuglicans are at the bottom of the barrel-they have nothing to lose. But democrats have everything to lose. Reform must include a robust public option.
So should she be removed from the ActBlue list? At least until she clarifies.
C’mon Donna, you’ve gotta be tougher on this.
Jackie Speier (CA-12) replied in a very similar way in a townhall yesterday. She’s the Congresscritter down the road from me and a tough one to corral.
after rep. edwards switched her vote on the Emergency Economic Recovery Act after a personal phone call from Pres. Obama, i judge her only by her actions not her words.
Pres. Obama after the vote: “Donna understood that putting aside partisanship to work with Republicans and Democrats was necessary to strengthen and pass this recovery package.”
deja vu all over again? or will rep. edwards support the public plan through conference?
and rep. edwards – a reminder you voted for that recovery package saying:
how’s that enabling home mortgages to be dealt with in the context of personal bankruptcy working out? oh that’s right, the bank’s were given the sole power to modify loans or not. and by golly, by the increasing number of record foreclosures looks like most of them opted for “not”.
but i’m sure the health industry will NEVER behave in such a morally reprehensible fashion…
This is why I write letters and pressure Representatives and Senators but don’t send money. Anyone I have to bribe to vote my way is A: not worth the money and B: going to go where the money is, and we can not outspend our opponents on this one. Unfortunately, the only real power we have is to threaten to with hold our votes.
This why I feel so hopeless. I live in PA18 and threatening to with hold my vote from Rep. Dr. Tim Murphy(R-Insurance Lobby), is worthless.
I’ve sent her an e-mail using her campaign address – the one she’s sending me junk e-mail with about events in her district. I’m disappointed in this development. Hopefully, it’s just another of those ”misspoke” moments like Sec. Sebelius’s.
IMO it would’ve been better to have solicited donations to a PAC set up to reward those who KEPT their promise and not provide the funds until after the vote “through conference.” That would assure that the money only goes to the deserving and not the wobblers who end up going off the reservation.
Donna. Please. It is kind of like what we promised when we got married; to stick it out and to hold on through the tough times ahead we knew would come. That’s why we want you congresspersons to pledge and then to hold on tight for the rough ride when the WH tries to peel off your vote.
My only wish would be that the letter would’ve been even more forthrigtht, and those communicating with these House members becoming more forthright.
NO without a public option THROUGH CONFERENCE means NO even that means NO HEALTH CARE BILL GETS PASSED!
Got it??
You get that message through, that EVEN IF THAT MEANS NO BILL GETS PASSED, then maybe it will resonate with the Senate. Because right now, the PO is dead. It’s on life support, but no brain waves are apparent. Only thing that’s bringing it back is a miracle, of hard, hard work and holding them to the fire.
Yes, I know THROUGH CONFERENCE means the same thing, but as you can tell with these CongressCritters, they’ll waiver unless it is goddamned point bland spelled out.
NO with no Public Option THROUGH CONFERENCE even that results in NO HEALTH CARE BILL BEING PASSED.
Got it?
Just my opinion, YMMV.
I know many here will disagree with this viewpoint but. Personally I read a lot of blogs every day. For what now seems like an eternity, probably better than 90% of the stories being pushed on eyes that are just about ready to blow out of their sockets is the health care issue. Is it important? Yes. But as many friends continue to notice, while we’re deluged with outrage at town hall meetings, next week the OMB is going to drop a bombshell. The Obama administration misjudged to national deficit by a mere 2 trillion dollars. Budget deficits do matter as many here once proclaimed. Remember when deficits were measured in the tens of billions. Now their in the trillions an counting.
We can all argue till the cows come home about pulling the plug on grandma or why we won’t be able to purchase the same drugs cheaper from Canada. But in reality, this administration will not pass any major legislation unless it gets its financial house in order. When the rubber has to finally meet the road, these programs have to be paid for and it can’t and won’t happen through deficit spending. Our foreign creditors have made that quite clear. if one were to understand the TIC data, or inflows of cash from countries purchasing our debt, the worlds poker players are leaving the table. If foreign countries are cutting down on purchasing our debt and the trend clearly shows they are, the game is over.
http://www.rawstory.com
US President Barack Obama’s administration will raise its 10-year budget deficit forecast to about nine trillion dollars, up about two trillion from the previous forecast, a US official said Friday.
The 2010-2019 projection, due out in a report expected next week, will supercede the previous forecast of about 7.1 trillion dollars, according to an official with the White House’s Office of Management and Budget.
The OMB official requested anonymity.
I gave money to the other Edwards 3 days before he dropped out. Give your money to something more reliable like the Bernie Madoff Defense Fund. The word “politician” means “a faux human who will do whatever is convenient at the moment without regard to how they got where they are, and the promises they made.”
Will those critters who don’t hold out for the PO be asked for the money back that has been donated through Act Blue?
I don’t trust any of these “progressives”, they are Democrats, so that means they are invertebrates, especially lacking a spine. Not sure if they even have the ability to reproduce since they are all lacking in balls or ovaries.
One of the problems with a number of Critters is that once they get elected to Washington they find themselves wined and dined by lobbyists that throw money around like water and they are promised jobs with scads of money and all kinds of benefits if they happen to lose an election by voting for bills that would benefit their constituents but damage the rich and powerful. In other words they get bought. They replace honest positions with platitudes and pablum and they replace principles with greed. Edwards is not the first, nor will she be the last. My own Critter, that I have supported not only with money but with door to door campaigning, Shea-Porter has started to equivocate, dance, duck and weave when it comes to “public option”. She is in a tough election fight already but I will not support her unless she votes no on a bill that does not have a “robust public option” included. I frankly do not give a sweet hoot if a gooper beats her as I would rather have a swine than a snake in the grass any time.
The people that lost money with Madoff were greedy rich bastards that thought they could get 20% and more for their money while every other poor sucker was getting 5%. Fuck them.
Not to sound like George Wallace, but I am sick and tired of being sick and tired.
We Need Health Care. NOW. Not health insurance. Any representative or senator who votes against my personal well-being not only will not get my vote, but I’ll send money to their opponents. I’ve called my congressman to tell him. The piece of shit Blue Dog.
“No” means “no.”
It’s that simple.
If she betrays us, she can kiss AFL-CIO $$ good bye and she should return any $$ we justy gave her.
We mean this. Screw us, and we will take you out electorally.
Thier party is necessary.
So, Donna, better get prepared to lose. Betray us, and I will contribute to nay opponent. Key word is any.
We need to make an example.
Do better or be gone. And that goes for all the Progressives.
The same disease (insider-itis) has overcome my rep — a former progressive darling — Chris Murphy (CT-05).
I agree wholeheartedly now that money should be donated ONLY to reward good behavior.
we’ll have more choices, sooner or later. you’re never obliged to vote for a (D) that sells you out, and you can safely presume that most will sell you out.
in 2010 some district, somewhere, a 3rd Party or (I) run will seize the day, and galvanize more for the big showdown in 2012.
though any progressive caucus members who hang on and keep their pledge will deserve a merit badge.
Same here. He’s got a huge war chest and no real opposition. I don’t get it. PA18 should be attractive to a moderate Dem. Tim Murphy is not at all moderate.
I did give money to this cause and then feel like Lucy pulled the football again. Not good.
Your argument works beautifully for Medicare-4-all. There’s no more excuse to provde welfare for Blue Cross, Wellpoint, Aetna, Cigna, and the rest of the health insurance oligopoly.
Likewise it works great for pulling troops out of the Middle East, cutting MIRC, and pulling back the 19 TRILLION in loans and guarantees to Wall Street, see Nomi Prins.
We should now move to color-code representatives who’ve signed the pledge. A Red, White, and Blue system. Let’s downgrade Ms. Edwards from Blue to Red, for now. This color-coding should also be picked up by Act Blue.
Just in case you live in the DC area,,,
Please Join
Congresswoman Donna F. Edwards
Representing Maryland’s 4th Congressional District
for her Community Town Hall Meeting on Tuesday, August 25 2009 from
6:30pm – 8:00pm at Plum Gar Community Center (Gymnasium) 19561 Scenery Drive
Germantown, MD 20874
For additional information, call 202-225-8699 or 301-516-7601
Your comment reminds me of “Stop the world, I want to get off.”
No wonder you feel hopeless. If you won’t give directly to a candidate, fine. Give it to Jane so she can distribute it to Mike Stark, Evenyc, slinkerwink, and others.
Until we get comprehensive campaign finance reform, this is the political battlefield.
What issue are you saving your money for?
Do you see another issue out there that has the political “reach” of health care?
Every dollar you can afford, that you don’t send, just means more welfare for the health insurance oligopoly. That in turn increases long term debt and makes the corpratists stronger. If we don’t win on health care, how can we win on issues which have a less broad retail appeal? Health care is the central front in the war on corpratists.
Don’t give it if you don’t have it, but don’t make specious arguments about the unreliability of our elected representatives. We’ve known that for quite awhile. We have to deal with the situation as it is.
My rep said on Thursday:
“I don’t think a public option is a key part of reform,” said Kosmas, D-New Smyrna Beach.
Asshole.
Thanks, Jane.
What is it with these morans? Can’t walk and chew gum at the same time? Honestly, if the PO is important now, it will still be important coming out of conference. DUH. Kabuki is NOT OK.
Is there any way to keep the Blue America funds “in trust” contingent on the final votes? Wait. Probably not. That’d be, like, bribery, and illegal, right?
Who knew weasels were invertebrates?
Sheesh.
And my critter is one who’s still only in the “weasel” column. Sigh.
FunnyWheelieDiva
Book Salon up at the Mothership with Paul Starobin’s After America: Narratives for the Next Global Age hosted by Christian Caryl
of course she will sell out the public plan. the progressive caucus will cave, as they always do. it should be unsurprising. happy to be proven wrong though.
I am SO sick of this “putting aside partisanship” crap that I want to throw something against the wall!!!
WHO exactly does Obama think he’s “winning over” by this kind of talk?
Does he ever contemplate the kind of support he might get if he said, “this is the right thing to do. We’re going to do it. The American people are behind us. Join us or get out of the way.”
Screw the patricians in the Senate. It’s about time to start thinking about a unicameral legislature. Why should small population states have such a stranglehold on the majority of the population. If they want to keep the Senate I suggest a name change, the House of Lords.
Never heard of FDR wanting to work with the people that caused the Great Depression when he was elected. FDR wasn’t concerned about the feelings of the “other side of the aisle”, only in what was best for the majority of the American people. Obama and his bipartisanship fetish has the potential of destroying hid Presidency, the Democratic Party and the nation at large. Why does he insist on compromise with Republicans when it means moving to the right just to say “can’t we all just get along”? The right causes problems and in the recent past has no solutions. The nation wants a leader that has a vision and will not compromise his principles. The right supported Bush down the line for 8 years because he refused to “compromise” and never abandoned the “principles” of the right and when was Karl Rove ever accused of being bipartisan. Obama’s willingness to find accomodation with the right wing only alienates a large part of his base and wins no support from the mad dogs on the right in the long run.
No surprise here folks.Politicians will say anything to get elected then turn around …. ya.Edwards should be ashamed after all the help & contributions she has received from the “left of the left”.
In the long run, I don’t think they really give two shits about the American people. They care about funding their campaigns, and lining up lobbying jobs when they leave office. The American people aren’t capable of throwing around the kind of serious cash generously flowing from the health and insurance industries. As my late father used to say, it’s all about the dough-re-mi. Call me cynical.
Cynical.
Ah, yes, Edwards, the quintessential Congressional weasel. The time is fast approaching when the people, outraged that scum like Edwards and her K Street paymasters have stolen their democracy, will have the lot of them ensconsed behind razor wire awaiting interrogation and public trial. Then, perhaps a new assignment, this time to a labor colony for 20 or 25 years, might make the supercilious Edwards more conscious of her purposes.
Wow, who could have imagined?
A bunch of angry people who gave money based on a pledge to uphold the public plan beating down the door of a congressperson when they tried to backtrack on that promise.
If only someone had thought of that at the beginning.
OK, but don’t call me Shirley.
That really sucks. I just recently gave money to Donna Edwards. I think I want it back.
OT, a youtube piece on Max Baucaus and his cheating heart.
http://crooksandliars.com/
You have to consider a few facts:
-Obama is wedded to the current system, call it a bastardized capitalism or anything else you like, and he has said as much. So he is not about to make sweeping changes to a system he believes in and that includes the health care system. If further proof was needed he provided that with his deal of foregoing bargaining down drug prices for the benefit of drug makers.
-A prime reason that the deficit is worse is due to the fact that so much federal money was given directly to the financial sector to do with as they liked including to pay their creditors and to make acquisitions for their own gain. In spite of protestations Obama was quick to act against the public interest and to further the financial sector.
-You need to put aside considerations about the deficit for the moment and take action to stem the financial losses that accrue from the current system of delivering health care. Private insurers generate huge monetary losses in the system by not covering costs of the insured and precluding many from being insured, and these costs are assumed by the public and grow ever larger in a self perpetuating cycle. The remedy for financial reasons, if nothing else, is public financing of delivering health care to a significant if not total extent, ie a public option.
-inaction, in the face of deficits or anything else, is really a way to to assure our own pauperization as a nation. It is plain that Obama is not the vehicle for the change that is required so public action is imperative.
No, he doesn’t.
He’s used to talking his way out of trouble and into whatever he was trying to get. He seems to fold when he meets real opposition.
We need to put the fear of losing – big loss, big fear – into Rahm and Mr O.
Better link to Baucus and Hank Williams
http://crooksandliars.com/susi…..ana-voters
Sept. 13th march in Washington for real healthcare reform might help if the crowds are large, 250,000-500,000. What’s the sound of half a million people screaming for real change?
Gwen Moore is a Black Caucus Congressional member from Wisconsin. It seems salient to me now that she commented in a positive way how the PhARMA, AMA, AHIP, have been “supportive” of this reform. So, after a weeks time I have come to see this as “cover” for the Dems to be cautious not to shoot “friendly fire” at those corporate interests. Frankly, I think it will backfire and those same groups will support Republican candidates in 2010.
Sorry, I forgot to write she commented at her health care reform town hall meeting.
Yup.
And this is also why labor’s coming out very publicly and clearly and stating the acceptable boundaries is also so important right now, right here in August.
me too. gave $125! I want it back. and I worked for her campaign, too. blegh!
Holy Ned, Woman. You just get this Progressive human in Mendocino County feeling like there ARE smart, passionate, and organized citizens that would see a kinder land to live in.
Peace and Love, Ms. Hamsher
And to you, Dawg.
It’s time to move to the nuclear option; all “progressives” must declare in public, with witnesses, that he or she is a Liberal.
Without this affirmation, we could be tricked into thinking that they are with the people.
Medicare4All
Rob Andrews (NJ-01) Health Care Town Hall tomorrow night.
Date: Monday, August 24, 2009
Time: 6:00 p.m. – 8:00 p.m.
Location: Rowan University – Wilson Hall, Glassboro, New Jersey 08028
(Wilson Hall is located off of Bowe Blvd. across from Glassboro High School)
*For directions to Wilson Hall visit http://www.rowan.edu/map/campus.html.
Somehow I trust Donna Edwards.
although sure does not hurt to let her know where the majority of Americans stand