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	<title>Comments on: Richard Trumka of AFL-CIO On FDL To Talk Health Care, Monday August 24 at 4pm ET</title>
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		<title>By: gamd521</title>
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		<dc:creator>gamd521</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just to clarify, two points are relevant. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One is that the means we adopt to extract commitments for the PO apply equally to senators as to representatives. In fact ways need to be found to exert pressure on senators who are particularly obstructive, eg. Nelson, Bayh, Landrieu. In this regard publicising whatever conflicts of interest pertain to each is worthwhile, as a means to exert pressure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The second is that to exert pressure is our only hope of achieving what we want. Getting convulsed by contortions of parlimentary possiblities gets you nowhere. If you are up front and truthful in exposing the interest that people are protecting you do a double service.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, two points are relevant. </p>
<p>One is that the means we adopt to extract commitments for the PO apply equally to senators as to representatives. In fact ways need to be found to exert pressure on senators who are particularly obstructive, eg. Nelson, Bayh, Landrieu. In this regard publicising whatever conflicts of interest pertain to each is worthwhile, as a means to exert pressure.</p>
<p>The second is that to exert pressure is our only hope of achieving what we want. Getting convulsed by contortions of parlimentary possiblities gets you nowhere. If you are up front and truthful in exposing the interest that people are protecting you do a double service.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Would like to see Trumka do a road trip for the public option through Ohio (along the Ohio river) and Pennsylvania.  Like he has the time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They just reported some new numbers of the folks who support the public option on Hardball.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think those numbers would be under “Obama too soft on health care reform”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;52 support&lt;br /&gt;
46 no&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not sure where they got these numbers&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Was so wonderul that Trumka gave well deserved praise during his rip roaring speech at NN09.  That man can tell it like it is&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would like to see Trumka do a road trip for the public option through Ohio (along the Ohio river) and Pennsylvania.  Like he has the time.</p>
<p>They just reported some new numbers of the folks who support the public option on Hardball.</p>
<p>I think those numbers would be under “Obama too soft on health care reform”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/</a></p>
<p>52 support<br />
46 no</p>
<p>Not sure where they got these numbers</p>
<p>Was so wonderul that Trumka gave well deserved praise during his rip roaring speech at NN09.  That man can tell it like it is</p>
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		<title>By: drfatman</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/richard-trumka-of-afl-cio-on-fdl-to-talk-health-care-monday-august-24-at-4pm-et/#comment-39866</link>
		<dc:creator>drfatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No worries - I guess I should go ask David W. (KargoX) just to make sure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries &#8211; I guess I should go ask David W. (KargoX) just to make sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/richard-trumka-of-afl-cio-on-fdl-to-talk-health-care-monday-august-24-at-4pm-et/#comment-39863</link>
		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: drfatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>drfatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No - he can use signing statements to &lt;strong&gt;exclude&lt;/strong&gt; pieces of legislation not to &lt;strong&gt;include&lt;/strong&gt; absent items. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I mean by exclude is ignore … the clause or language remains in the signed piece of legislation but they choose not to enforce it or whatever else is called for.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8211; he can use signing statements to <strong>exclude</strong> pieces of legislation not to <strong>include</strong> absent items. </p>
<p>What I mean by exclude is ignore … the clause or language remains in the signed piece of legislation but they choose not to enforce it or whatever else is called for.</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/richard-trumka-of-afl-cio-on-fdl-to-talk-health-care-monday-august-24-at-4pm-et/#comment-39856</link>
		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;dumb question: in theory if the House (with PO) and Senate (without PO) pass very different bills and the PO gets conferenced out, could, in theory, the president restore it with a signing statement?  Not that I’m urging that strategy.. just wanted to know what the stakes would be.  Obama has made quite a lot of use of signing statements recently.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dumb question: in theory if the House (with PO) and Senate (without PO) pass very different bills and the PO gets conferenced out, could, in theory, the president restore it with a signing statement?  Not that I’m urging that strategy.. just wanted to know what the stakes would be.  Obama has made quite a lot of use of signing statements recently.</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/richard-trumka-of-afl-cio-on-fdl-to-talk-health-care-monday-august-24-at-4pm-et/#comment-39855</link>
		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know how realistic it is for us strategically threaten to primary selected House reps.  There are sporadic reports in NY and CA about local groups getting reps to change their stance on healthcare with very specific primary threats.  Didn’t the Workers and Families Party just do this to somebody in Westchester CO NY a couple of days ago?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know how realistic it is for us strategically threaten to primary selected House reps.  There are sporadic reports in NY and CA about local groups getting reps to change their stance on healthcare with very specific primary threats.  Didn’t the Workers and Families Party just do this to somebody in Westchester CO NY a couple of days ago?</p>
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		<title>By: gamd521</title>
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		<dc:creator>gamd521</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hope no one feels too triumphalist about the prospects for the passage of a bill containing the PO, it is very much far from a done deal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We should not worry about the motives of those representatives that oppose the passage of the PO, since their motives don’t matter. However they are not free to act in contravention of what we as the majority of the people want, and feel they can do so with impunity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is left for us is to act in a way that will accomplish our ends. The representatives from my district simply will not publicly declare their support of the PO. So we need to extract that commitment from them one way or another. Simple phone calls, although great, don’t seem enough to guarantee anything.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An escalation of approach seems warranted, for instance protests at their office or piercing exposes in local papers as to what interests are determining their opposition to the PO with a show of the number of people that want this measure passed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My point is that the campaign to further our interests needs to esacalte so as to achieve a tangible commitment for the backing of the PO and to make it plain that not publicly doing so will incur real consequences at the next ballot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope no one feels too triumphalist about the prospects for the passage of a bill containing the PO, it is very much far from a done deal.</p>
<p>We should not worry about the motives of those representatives that oppose the passage of the PO, since their motives don’t matter. However they are not free to act in contravention of what we as the majority of the people want, and feel they can do so with impunity.</p>
<p>What is left for us is to act in a way that will accomplish our ends. The representatives from my district simply will not publicly declare their support of the PO. So we need to extract that commitment from them one way or another. Simple phone calls, although great, don’t seem enough to guarantee anything.</p>
<p>An escalation of approach seems warranted, for instance protests at their office or piercing exposes in local papers as to what interests are determining their opposition to the PO with a show of the number of people that want this measure passed.</p>
<p>My point is that the campaign to further our interests needs to esacalte so as to achieve a tangible commitment for the backing of the PO and to make it plain that not publicly doing so will incur real consequences at the next ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: Funnydiva2002</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funnydiva2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I saw his interview with Rachel when it aired…it was teh Great!&lt;br /&gt;
This is exciting news for FDL&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OT/quick request:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Could you re-post a link to Katymine’s toll-free DC switchboard numbers?  I think Hoyer’s office(s) need a flood of angry calls from The American People.  What an effing wanker.  Unless the DC offices are closed over recess, too…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FunnyWheelieDiva&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw his interview with Rachel when it aired…it was teh Great!<br />
This is exciting news for FDL</p>
<p>OT/quick request:</p>
<p>Could you re-post a link to Katymine’s toll-free DC switchboard numbers?  I think Hoyer’s office(s) need a flood of angry calls from The American People.  What an effing wanker.  Unless the DC offices are closed over recess, too…</p>
<p>FunnyWheelieDiva</p>
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		<title>By: sTiVo</title>
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		<dc:creator>sTiVo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;God bless Richard Trumka.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is how Barack Obama and Dems should be talking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Words like “stranglehold”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is the kind of talk that can break the grip of the teabaggers.  Wonkery no.  Straight talk, yes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless Richard Trumka.</p>
<p>This is how Barack Obama and Dems should be talking.</p>
<p>Words like “stranglehold”.</p>
<p>This is the kind of talk that can break the grip of the teabaggers.  Wonkery no.  Straight talk, yes.</p>
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