Gene Lyons wonders how it is that the people running the health care battle seemed to have learned nothing from the experience of 1994:
[T]he Obama White House got caught napping as the paranoid train left the station once again. Presidential aides told reporters that the barrage of falsehoods and insane comparisons to Nazi Germany "had caught them off guard and forced them to begin an August counteroffensive."
So where were these geniuses back when Clinton was being called a drug smuggler and mass murderer? When militiamen spotted U.N. "black helicopters" over Western skies? When thousands hoarded canned food and bottled water in advance of the imaginary Y2K catastrophe?
Good question. But being "caught off guard" seems to have been the order of the day. Here’s Richard Kirsch, head of HCAN, on August 13:
"We are absolutely surprised at the way that the right focused so much on this as soon as August began," said Richard Kirsch, campaign manager for HCAN.
How is that possible? How is the guy entrusted with $45 million for the sole purpose of spreading the President’s message on health care caught so totally unprepared, when members of Congress were warning from the floor of the House that the Republicans were going to sweep down on them like locusts in the August recess? And why does he still have a job?
While I can’t speak to the general level of unpreparedness, in terms of messaging HCAN had their hands tied. Because the #1 goal of the guy calling the shots (Rahm Emanuel) was to keep all the stakeholders (AHIP, PhRMA, AMA etc.) at the table and their checkbooks out of Republican coffers, the unbreakable compact of the Baucus Caucus was: you don’t advertise against us, we don’t advertise against you. So where there should have been a big bogeyman in the form of guys like Stephen Helmsley, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare who owns $744,232,068 in unexercised stock options, you got "bending the cost curve."
Ever see HCAN — or anyone in the White House — kick the insurance industry in the teeth like Brave New Films did in Sick for Profit? Of course you didn’t:
HCAN was funded to the tune of $40 million by Atlantic Philanthropies, George Soros and members of the steering committee, who each committed half a million dollars to the effort:
ACORN, AFL-CIO, AFSCME, AFT, Americans United for Change, Campaign for America’s Future, Center for American Progress Action Fund, Campaign for Community Change, Children’s Defense Fund Action Council, Communications Workers of America, MoveOn.org, NAACP, National Council of La Raza, National Education Association, National Women’s Law Center, SEIU, UFCW, USAction, Women’s Voices, Women’s Vote and Working America.
Soros just kicked in another $5 million. HCAN was told that they should focus on attacking Republicans, because the thing that would make Democrats feel more "comfortable" voting for a public plan would be advertisements against Republicans. Despite the fact that it is the ConservaDems who are now "blocking" the President’s health care agenda, this HCAN’s latest ad:
Everyone was left either tilting at windmills (as if the Republicans in Congress had any power that wasn’t given to them — the Democrats could easily pass health care on their own) or trying to whip up enthusiasm for "bending the cost curve."
Obama had to stay vague in his message because most of the things he promised during the campaign were dealt away to keep money out of Republican coffers. If he insisted on a public plan and it didn’t make its way into the final bill, it would be touted as a defeat. So expressing "support" while saying that Congress was writing its own bill (as if) left him in a position to sell the deals made with the stakeholders as "the best we could do" with that "don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good" finger wagging at the end of the process.
Nature abhors a vacuum, and into that messaging void stepped Betsy McCaughey and her "death panels."
Lyons:
For a generation now, the well-organized and lavishly funded right-wing noise machine has dominated American political debate with poisonous nonsense like McCaughey’s, with little effective pushback.
To the extent Democrats resist, it’s mainly on Web sites like the invaluable Media Matters for America. What’s needed, however, is a strong counter-narrative informing voters that they’re being had: conned, tricked and manipulated by, yes, New York, Washington and Hollywood "media elites" who lie for money. Vulgar? You bet. It’s called "populism," and it once dominated the very states where talk-radio bombast now holds sway.
"Fact-checking" right wing lies is important, but it’s reactive and intellectual. The message of Betsy McCaughey was emotional and tapped into people’s deep fears. She succeeded because the political conditions that controlled the negotiations of the Baucus Caucus hamstrung the development of that "strong counter-narrative" to drive the campaign in the first place. By the time the teabaggers showed up in August, the battleground had been ceded and there was considerable uneasiness in the public mind created by the mixed messaging around the entire campaign.
As Paul Krugman writes today in an article entitled "Obama’s Trust Problem":
On the issue of health care itself, the inspiring figure progressives thought they had elected comes across, far too often, as a dry technocrat who talks of “bending the curve” but has only recently begun to make the moral case for reform. Mr. Obama’s explanations of his plan have gotten clearer, but he still seems unable to settle on a simple, pithy formula; his speeches and op-eds still read as if they were written by a committee.
The goals of the Baucus Caucus — which represent the true objectives of the White House — were so at odds with the public face of the health care debate that the dissonance, the mixed messaging, created tremendous public anxiety. There were so many vague expressions of "support" for this or that, without any firm commitment to anything, and the idea that the Republicans were responsible for what was happening just never made any intuitive sense.
You can’t implement the biggest economic change program since the New Deal without public trust. The White House tried to sell trust in a man — Obama — at a time when that trust was breaking down in the wake of the banking debacle, which as Krugman says created tremendous populist discontent across the board. Remember that this was where the teabaggers got their start, where their messaging took root, and it was the result of the same Rahm Emanuel calculus: buy off big business with taxpayer dollars and keep them from funding the Republicans.
It’s an unbelievably cynical message that underscores everything coming out of the White House and it’s at complete odds with what Obama stood for in the election. It fundamentally violates what people think they voted for. And those internal contradictions teed up Betsy McCaughey perfectly.
One more time, with feeling: Thanks, Rahm.





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Obama, during the campaign, was asking and encouraging his supporters to call him out when he was off track. So, this community does so and the response is condescension and being chastised as children by the White House.
Integrity and a clear moral purpose as had been represented by Obama have fallen by the way and in their stead we have Rahm’s antiquated games.
Yawn, Paul Krugman has no credibility w/me. He wanted Clinton’s single payer plan and can’t get over himself.
Obama could do with making a clean break of the mess they have made by sacking Rahm, taking charge, and selling a good solid reform bill to the public…
Oh, pardon me, I seem to have nodded off and started dreaming again…
We were in a post-partisan moment of a great epistemic shift. Politics as we knew it was dead.
Look, I voted for Obama over HRC and would again, but it wasn’t because of the hooey we heard about how the HRC was too easy a target for the right, which somehow wouldn’t know how to smear Obama.
Team Obama should have been prepared for the evil empire striking back from day 1.
Would you please stop carrying that old bucket of water! Krugman was for Clinton, so piss on him. Can you honestly claim that single payer isn’t the better policy, or are you too much of an OFA shill?
Jon Stewart had Betsy McCaughey on last night, here’s the interview.
Jane, you continue to outdo yourself. This is a fantastic analysis. Lyons’ comments on populism are also spot on. If the left would just remember what we seemed to have forgotten decades ago, we could once again be strong in states that are currently considered solidly red.
I’ve lived my whole life in a Red State and I know these people have many of the same complaints we do about big corporations, but they blame Democrats for the situation, and it’s stuff like this that makes it impossible to defend them.
How do you not sound childish when the only retort you’re left with is, “yeah but Republicans do it too, only worse.”
I’m not sure that Lyons is talking about fact-checking but about a campaign that pushes the narrative that the rightwing thinks Americans are suckers and rubes and don’t understand the issues in healthcare reform. And to push back on information about where the misinformation is coming from. So far all we have along this line are a few viral YouTube floating among the choir.
Not intending to make a cheap shot, but Rahm operates in Old Testament mode. In changing times, persons with imagination are needed.
Who is disinforming the public about an alleged “Government Run Health Plan?”
WATCH THIS!
How much advertising revenue do media companies derive from insurance companies?
Follow the money.
Nonsense. Read his columns, he’d be ecstatic if we get a robust public option with full coverage, etc.
Beyond thanks rahm, thanks obama … he’s the scumbag who hired him, empowered him and has broke almost every damn campaign promise he himself made. These two are made for each other … the dlc’s dynamic duo of deceit.
And I know that obama is not formerly a member of the dlc, but that’s in name only.
Z
Krugman made a good point here:
This administration, and the last four, have given anyone with a little sense of history plenty of reason to believe that the government won’t regulate the insurance industry the way it needs to be.
Excellent analysis, Jane. According to slink, Hoyer has announced that the public option must be stripped in order to get a bill. Sounds like Pelosi told Rahm “No” and he’s trying to engineer a leadership fight.
Umm, I’m just some run of the kind of guy and I could’ve told you the Republicans were going to come fast an furious against health care reform.
thats like blaming the boot after a nasty kicking.
President Obama appointed Rahm Emmanuel to do what he does.
If he knew or cared that progressives despised the guy, well, that was just a bonus.
and, as Matt Tabibi mentioned the other day, on FDL:
http://firedoglake.com/2009/07…..e/#Respond
so thats not
thats the Democratic Party calculus – that is what you sign up for when voting (D).
Obama’s florid campaign rhetoric? please. the practiced seduction routines of a Lothario.
Well good afternoon to you, too. Single payer (medicare) for all probably would cause an enormous amount of upheaval in the economy if introduced in one swoop. Personally I prefer the idea of a health care exchange that includes various public options including a dirt-cheap basic annual check-up and follow-up referrals plus emergecy care if/when necessary. When Michele Obama tried to introduce a way to set people up with clinic doctors rather than using the emergency room at the U of C for general health care she was accused of being an elitist and traitor to her race. None of this is easy and the left can be as nutty as the right on it (without guns, of course). So you can be accusatory and insulting if you like but I think I can add something to the conversation, as can you, unless you just feel like telling me to piss off your site.
While I don’t completely disagree with you, the fact remains that Rahm can be replaced tomorrow (in theory anyway), but Obama is our President for at least four years.
Regardless of what’s going on in Obama’s head, he really does have an opportunity here to change course and salvage this health care debacle. Whether he does it out of a moral imperative, or just out of political practicality really doesn’t matter as long as it happens. And throwing Rahm under the bus will be the start of the turnaround regardless of what Obama’s motivation is.
We can piss and moan all we want about Obama, but he’s who we have to work with so I think it would be a more productive use of our time to do exactly what Jane is doing with this post – lay out a better path for him to take and try to find the right leverage to pressure him to take it.
Way back when I first came to blogging and fdl, lo these many years, one of the first comments I ever made was that if you elect a dope (Bush) you should expect dopey policies. And his were by any stretch of the imagination as dangerously dopey and destructive as you could get. With Obama we elected an Establishment hack and guess what kind of policies we are getting from him.
Okay you say tomato, I say Krugman is a concern troll in love w/his own press clippings.
I saw a pretty good comment in the Washington Post today by an Obama voter. It went something like this:
We thought we were getting a Robert Kennedy, but instead we got a Jimmy Carter.
I agree, but what other choices did we have? We could have gone with the truly frightening bat$**t crazy ticket on the Republican side or pick our Establishment Hack poison on the Democratic side (with the exception of Kucinich).
We chose the Establishment Hack we thought we’d have the most chance of applying pressure to. And now we’re trying to see if we can effectively apply that pressure.
The Maytag Repairman must be really pissed off.
Krugman has some good things to say about the financial crisis but his criticism often falls short and he seems remarkably susceptible to buying into administration happy talk. The same has been true of his position in the healthcare debate. He rightly criticizes the crazy destructive behavior of the Republicans but tends to look for silver linings with the Democrats. I have been especially irked recently by his endorsement of Bernanke to another term as chair of the Fed. Krugman has never criticized Bernanke directly ever even though he is one of the major villains in our economic nightmare. Nor does Krugman remind people that he owed his job, and hence much of his subsequent career, to Bernanke who hired him on at Princeton.
If you are correct, and your argument makes a lot of sense, the real driver here is an atttempt to extort money from PhRMA, Insurance, etc., with minimal real reforms. And, if you are correct, Barack Obama approved this.
It may not be that simple, and maybe there are currents for reform, but it appears that $$ for Dems and whatever deal can be made is the reality.
I hope you are wrong, but fear you are right. It explains a lot of couduct that makes no sense.
Maybe the $$$ is a factor equal to reform.
The ad deals make sense as they dealt with each other.
But there was an is a vacuum.
If you are right, there will be a deal from Baucus and Grassley covering the real deal with insurance companies. Mandates with coops.
So far in 20 comments Obama is an establishment hack and Jimmy Carter (which I presume means an ineffective President). All this angst is no way to spend a Friday. Congress in September will likely fashion a bill with a public option included in the health care exchange. My concern is to make it quickly available for the desperately uninsured. Also to include small biz, as they have been crushed by insurance costs over the last decade. Dems will really have to make an effort to work together to beat the republican minority that really knows how to be a minority and obstruct. It can be done, it will be hard, there is no reason for liberals to eat each other alive over this. Let the republicans do that as their religious voter wing backs subsidized public option plans as a moral obligation.
I agree. But I have not seen many instances where Obama has shown himself affected by such pressure from us. FISA and the TARP before the election. The supplemental, the climate change bill, everything to do with the financial meltdown and distressed homeowners, and now healthcare, everything he does looks more and more like a remake of a remake of a remake (because it is).
You are spot-on there.
Now you will see who is owned by insurance. Hoyer for sure.
How silly.
You attack only because you can not respond to his desription of how Barack Obama is losing his base.
The incompetence of this administration in the handling of “healthcare reform” has been plainly on display, and that includes Obama. Don’t blame the advisors because as Truman said, “the buck stops here.” One might begin to think they were never really serious about transforming the broken healthcare system.
WTF?
Are you just uninformed?
Hillary Clinton did not support a single payer plan.
Maybe you should read more and learn.
I’m sick of the slams against Carter. Had Congress heeded his energy policy and backed him for reelection, we wouldn’t be talking about energy independence thirty years later. We wouldn’t have racist politicians from the South. And we would have realized that there were members of the press already sandbagging him. George Will is one name that comes to mind whose M.O. hasn’t changed but has cloned himself into Glenn Beck.
What we got is a Rahm Emmanuel.
Of course he hasn’t been affected. He’s as arrogant as Bush but it’s disguised by his “eloquence” and “charm.” You can bet he’s affected by the bankers and insurance CEO’s.
Sadly you’re right, but we need to keep trying. I think (thanks in large part to Jane) we’re seeing potential for our first small victory here. (single-payer would have been a large victory, but if we get a real public option, I think we can count that as a small victory).
The problem with that is that the Democrats are trying to do in the public option almost as much as the Republicans. It makes believable the claim that they always only considered it a bargaining chip to be bargained away. Even if there ends up being sufficient pressure in the House for a public option, we should expect one that is weak, delayed, applies to very few, uncompetitive and fairly expensive, in other words what many of us have been saying here for some time a figleaf that will not help those who desperately need coverage.
Who was appointed by the forked tongue in Chief.
I’m not quite as pessimistic. My take is that healthcare reform is actually really difficult, politically and otherwise, to do. The Clintons kept their proposal under wraps, then released it as a done deal to Congress, and it failed. Obama took that as a lesson for a hands-off approach, and let Congress develop a package without a lot of interference from the WH, and now he’s being criticized for not doing it the same way the Clintons tried to do it. Such criticism strikes me as being unfair (and, generally speaking, I’m no strong Obama fan, as y’all know). You can argue (as I do) that the president needs to show much more leadership in crafting the package, but how much more? Too much (and no pretense of bipartisanship in early negotiations), and the rethug haters would come out of the woodwork even more, and the attacks would be even more fierce. To little, and the Blue Dogs start wandering.
I think that the president has to step up now in favor of a strong public option and give credence to the view he’s already started to articulate that bipartisanship is now dead. Thanks to our work and work of other progressives and thanks to new polling data, he can legitimately argue that his change of stance is due to the newly emergent public consensus for a PO. But I cannot say that he’s been tactically wrong up until this moment. We really need him for the final push, and I hope he’s there for it. This starts now.. not months or weeks ago. This is like a pavane – a slow, delicate dance, and one has to get the moves exactly right, and there’s no manual. As president, he knows he’s had to step delicately in the early movements.
Remember, he’s not a progressive (despite our efforts to turn him into one), but he is a listener and he is committed to the democratic process. That has to be enough.
It doesn’t seem to me that mandates will fly with the unions so dead-set against them unless we have single payer and free access. That may be down the road and Pharma, the AMA and the hospitals read that writing on the wall, I think, and agreed to cut deals and out the insurance companies (who doubtless expected these groups to fund & fight on their side as a joint effort). They are the useless middleman in health care and the middlemen are always the first to go. To me it was a decent plan to peel away the useful players and leave insurance companies as an open, exposed target. Sic ‘em.
Agreed. Carter gets a bad rap. He put solar panels on the roof of the White House! We’d have a very different (and I submit, better) world today if he had gotten a second term instead of Reagan. There are certainly things to be critical of with Carter, but his lack of success is largely due to his own party pulling the rug out from under him.
Obama’s base is bigger than FDL and if health care reform that is satisfactory to you ultimate passes, will you still be against him? Are there other issues?
I predict in 8 months you’ll be asking yourself “Why didn’t Obama come out aggressively for a strong public option?”
I posted this idea on another thread:
I would like to see a commercial juxtaposing triple amputee Max Cleland-in a wheelchair- sitting outside the gate at Bush’s Crawford Ranch, circa Swiftboat Summer of ‘04, and waiting…and waiting…for Bush to come out of the house…which Bush NEVER did ,to accept a letter Cleland was attempting to deliver regarding Swiftboat tactics.
Split screen THAT with the hundreds of thousands of uninsured,lined up,waiting…and waiting -for healthcare,but NO ONE comes to open the gate, nor listens to their pleas for a public option.
A voice over could say something to the effect …”In 2004 it was about Swiftboating…In 2008,it’s about slow boating health care reform.
Don’t let pirate lobbyists hijack the public option.”________
I don’t think I’m uninformed actually, but probably you do.
Now that we know why and how the system broke down over HCR negotiations, we can repair the damage. President Obama can reclaim the offensive with an address from the Oval Office the Thursday before Labor Day weekend.
As the address opens, there should be 60 seconds of footage of New Orleans after the levees broke. Mr. Obama should begin saying “The American people began choosing the 44th POTUS four years age this weekend when a great American city was destroyed by federal government incompetence. I was elected by popular vote last November to repair government of the people, by the people, and for the people…”
“The American people entrusted in me a mandate to reform healthcare. Seventy-six per cent of Americans want a public option… When Congress returns from August recess, the legislation that I am willing to sign into law must contain the following… Otherwise, I will ask Congress to pass legislation to make Medicare available to all uninsured citizens. Democratic members of congress are willing, to do this for their countrymen this fall, and to be judge by their constituents, next November at the polls.”
“You will have the opportunity to judge me in 2012.”
If Obama does this, it will be game, set, match for healthcare reform and the Democratic Party.
You’d think that the fact that the base is pissed off at the Dems right now for sucking up to the GOP might sink into Rahm’s thick skull, but he’s apparently too busy French-kissing himself in the mirror to notice.
So what is Harry Reid’s role in the Rahm master plan? Is Reid just a bystander. If this article is correct he is coming under some pressure from progressive senators to rein in the centrists.
He gets a bad rap because the conservatives had just begun to worm their way into the corporate media and kill the ethics of journalism. And because William Casey and George H.W. Bush succeeded in sandbagging his negotiations with the Iranians for the embassy hostages by bribing them with a promise of weapons after Reagan was elected.
I welcome your input whyknot. I don’t agree with everything you say, but you’re clearly a well-meaning, concerned citizen trying to contribute to the conversation.
Although, to clarify, Clinton didn’t have a single-payer plan.
Don’t think too hard about this image. It might bring seven years of bad luck.
No shit that obama can change course … hell, even rahm could change course … we all have the power to change course. But it’s also important to understand who we are dealing with here and to lay it all on rahm … and that is NOT what Jane Hamsher has done in the past and I’m sure that this is not what she is intending to do here … is inaccurate. And pointing this out in no way disrupts the efforts to get the pope of hope to finally start fulfilling his campaign promises and living up to his so-far meaningless words.
We don’t have to stop criticizing our president to HELP him continue to do the wonderful job he has been doing thus far … that’s ridiculous obama-bot bullshit … not much different than what rahm asked the progressive groups to do when he asked them to stop criticizing the dems that were working against universal health care. People need to look thru the eloquent, empathy-laden words and the rahm staged photo-ops to realize who obama is and what he is about. And if enough folks realize that, then maybe his approval ratings will take a big enough hit that he’ll start being concerned about representing us instead of the corporate interests that he has been VERY loyal to thus far.
More or less what you are promoting is this asinine idea that we shouldn’t criticize obama becoz he is our president, our so-called party leader. How is that different than what the republicans propagated during bush’s reign of error?
Z
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled (at 10:30)post is now up and ready for our perusal: “Let’s See Who Else Owes Howard Dean an Apology Today”
obama ain’t no Jimmy CArter … he is not 1/10 as as principled as Jimmy Carter.
Z
Hugh that is an excellent point. The insurance industry has bribed both sides of the aisle so heavily that getting decent legislation through is going to be a real battle. It doesn’t matter than the public supports it, and that’s the most frustrating thing. The public supports gun control, how’s that turned out? Abortion is legal and has been for decades, but the right has managed to box that out of numerous laws, including health care reform. Strategy is required to beat these huge companies and armies of lobbyists. Laying it all on Obama as if Congress and their insider deals don’t exist is a bit much, I think. To me getting Pharma, et al on the sidelines is a good plan. It could still turn sour, of course, but I think it was smart.
Yep!
What both the Clintons and Obama did was to ditch a simple public option, a Medicare for all, that everyone could understand for a program that was incredibly convoluted and complicated and kept insurance companies and other corporations firmly in control. The public was left confused and unmobilized. Inside players and Republicans picked the program to pieces and it failed under the Clintons and is effectively failing now under Obama.
My mistake then, I honestly thought she was pushing for single-payer with mandates. And thanks.
I guess I’m not predicting that he will, in fact, do the right thing. I’m too pragmatic and cynical to say that. But I am saying that he has a chance to step up now and start taking ownership of a solid PO-based proposal now.. that he can still win this. It’s not too late, and we shouldn’t write him off.
It’s not a matter for me of being for or against Obama. I never thought Obama was my boyfriend. I thought he was good enough to vote for, but I was never starry-eyed. Obama was always an establishment figure, so I’m not all that surprised or disappointed now. And I think by applying pressure we can make him and his policies better. You just seem to be stuck in primary crushing on your candidate, don’t you talk about my boyfriend mode.
and you know that I simply don’t agree with you on that strategy. My guess is that we would’ve been dead in the water already, because the math doesn’t work and the rethugs and their propaganda tanks know it, and have been researching, writing and documenting that fact for four decades. They’ve been predicting that Medicare, as it is, will be bankrupt by 2020 or so, and the costs are still escalating. Expanding it without a structural fix that a hybrid system (with a very strong PO) might just be able to offer will just hasten that date. I keep on coming back to this one point: Irrespective of the politics, the math has got to work. It is all about the math. ;-)
For the record, I don’t believe we shouldn’t criticize Obama. I think it’s important that we realize exactly who we’re dealing with. But the reason we need to understand him is to try to figure a way to get him to do what we need him to do — since he’s clearly not going to do it just out of his own principles.
I’m as upset with Obama as anyone, but I just don’t see how throwing up our hands and saying he’s hopeless will get us health care reform. Maybe it IS hopeless, but if we give up the fight then it’s definitely hopeless.
Just as I said,pirate lobbyists hijacking the public option.
But,is it really hijacking when the pirates are INVITED on board,and allowed to chart the course and man the helm?
that’s about the size of it. But who says a grassroots revolt can’t get something better. And what’s the alternative, despair?
Imagine having a recovery without free insurance for every American citizen? It’s like giving up manufacturing of any product that would be useful to export. No company can afford it unless it is addictive to the user. Imagine not having health coverage as you lose your job and are forced to look for a new one? Imagine giving up looking for a job because your health is too bad, so you disappear from the roles of the working, the insured, and the living.
This is what politicians that are being bribed imagine. They are trying to kill us by denying care. What could be more simple to explain to their constituents?
Mean, but I agree that former Pres. Carter is a highly principled man and personally I believe the best ex-President we’ve ever had. Tough to top Habitat for Humanity for overall goodness.
Like I said a minute ago, the odds may be against us, but if we give in to despair we have NO hope of prevailing.
“Nor does Krugman remind people that he owed his job, and hence much of his subsequent career, to Bernanke who hired him on at Princeton.”
I didn’t know that. krugman is way overrated by the libeal blogosphere. He is right sometimes, but he is hardly as brilliant as he is made out to be. He’s much more of a dlc establishment hack that what he is called out for. There was little that the very damaging clinton administration did that he ever criticized. He is still blaming reagan for all our economic problems now; he is still blaming reagan for the abominable bush’s actions … it’s almost as bad as the republi-zombies blaming the housing bubble on Carter. Was every subsequent administration under reagan’s hypnotic spell and therefore unable to change course instead of accelerating it? It’s f’ing ridiculous.
And for all you folks that are so overly impressed with the establishment award he recently received, remember that henry kissinger got a nobel peace prize for NOT bringing peace to Vietnam and tommy friedmann’s mantle is littered with pulitzer prizes.
The “brilliant” krugman is on the record as saying that inflation is not a concern. As almost all the jackasses do in his very discredited profession, he has cherry-picked data to support his views by using the commodity inflation spike last year, induced by wall street market riggers, as his baseline when gas was $4 a gallons. We’ll see how his inflation predictions hold up.
Z
Ms. Lily I am trying to discuss policy and you are flinging around high-school insults. And I don’t like Krugman – is he your boyfriend? See how silly that sounds, Lilybelle?
And Jimmy Carter was our greatest modern president. He did not ignore the issues that we watch destroy the country today. He was the last “leader” we had. I hope he is not the last one the world has seen. I fear it though. We have had nothing but puppets since.
Perhaps those pirate lobbyists have been invited on board only to be shot later.
I don’t recall me saying that the cause was hopeless.
Z
those pirate lobbyists will be shot by Rahm? By Larry Summers? This is wishful thinking. By all means, let’s discuss policy, but you’re not doing that. You’re shilling. And I’m sure you are a sincere, good guy, so put down the water bucket. I’m never one for that falling in love with your candidate or spokesperson of choice, but if we want anything that looks like healthcare reform, we don’t have the time for fantasizing about how “those pirate lobbyists have been invited on board only to be shot later.”
Yeah, but man that’s a GREAT dream if yer gonna have one! *G*
Be fair, after all the snark you’ve thrown around I don’t even get a single one-liner? You say I’m shilling b/c I like the WH approach, which I think will work out okay in the end. You’ve convinced yourself you know the outcome of all this when obviously that’s not possible. I don’t like Rahm and I think Larry Summers is an appalling asshole, Obama neglected to check w/me before hiring these guys, but that’s fine since no one elected me President. If I’m shilling for the President, you are just bashing. And we’re both wasting time if that’s the case.
And if I may be so bold, a GREAT visual,too, that would STAY in peoples minds.
THAT’S why I used the example in my “dream ” commercial involving Swiftboating vs. Slowboating.
Would one of you folks just say something about the bigger picture, which is the White House is terribly overworked at this point, and they have no game plan? And therefore no secret scheme?
It’s been one crisis after another since November 4.
Mandates and a public option are supported by the AFL-CIO and Change to Win.
Too rude. This is not Daily Kos.
These people are morons!
Never would I set foot (or finger) on Kos. So it’s ok to call me a water-carrying, shilling fan boy but I can’t tease back? Have a nice weekend.
The Dems are perpetually incapable of taking the right wing seriously. The number of obits of the right that were penned by the establishment poobahs after the Nov elections was incredible. As in the 90’s, they declare the right dead, fail to engage it, then get bitten in the behind over and over. Plus ca change…
whynot, your home schooling has not served you well.
Correct! Krugman gets no blame at all for sitting on his hands while former Pres. Clinton signed off on SEC/CFTC handcuffing re the energy markets. Now Krug can’t bring himself to acknowledge the resultant inflation, which is a fully regressive tax on the poor. Clinton not only kowtowed to then-Rep. Sen. Phil Gramm, he put Gramm’s wife in charge of the CFTC w/o Senate confirmation. How convenient. Later she left government and went straight to the Board of Directors of Enron. The audit committee, no less.
Actually Toes, you might be surprised to hear I’m fairly well-educated. In real schools, too. Why be so nasty before a weekend?
Cute, but I don’t think many outside the media were of the impression Obama was going to be the kind of POTUS RFK would have been.
That can’t be explicitly stated enough. That White House-proxy, Reid-enabled, Senate rules-unauthorized, secrecy-shrouded Senate cabal is the vehicle designed and intended to allow, with necessary concealing cover, the President and his men to dictate the form of lawmaking on this issue to our Legislative Branch of government.
“Separation of powers”? Ha, Ha, Ha… That quaint concept? You must be joking – such “perfect” Constitutional limits only interfere with the “good” of another personal/Party “win” for the self-promoting Obama and his Chief of Staff, helped by an illicit Congress-as-Parliament.
Actually, Congress is also “writing its own bill(s)” (with the help of corporate, not public interest, lobbyists) – the bills in the three House committees, and the Senate HELP Committee – but obviously those were/are just for show, their contents to be subsequently sacrificed or revised at will in the deplorably-secret end-game conference process controlled by the White House, because the power-serving, democracy-hostile Party Bosses Reid and Pelosi (pushed, as his comments today prove, by the Corporate Servant Steny Hoyer) again intend to cede Congressional institutional prerogative to the Executive Branch, whether participating purported legislators know it or not.
If our purported legislators respect and honor the plain fact that their only legitimate source of power in federal office derives from their status as “an independent, constitutional entity whose authority is derived from [their] constituency” then they’d better promptly resolve to confront those Party-loyalty-blinded usurpers of their (and our) power, never mind the dictates of presidential will, or the Party positions of those seeking to unConstitutionally abuse legislative power and the democratic legislative process itself for self-serving political ends, at the expense of representative democracy and the will of those it represents – those from whom that democracy’s only source of legitimate power derives.
Former Republican Party Leader Mickey Edwards:
Those obama-bots that thought that we were getting a Robert F. Kennedy had been drinking heavily from the pope of hope’s chalice. Somehow, I don’t believe Kennedy would have signed off on the FISA telecom retroactive immunity act … and that was before he became president and legitimized much of what the criminal bush gang did.
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Now, now, Prime Minister Emanuel is just tired and cranky because of all those reactive flights back n forth to Munich.
Sadly when I saw the president talking to the conservative talker I thought he must be joking and then I realized that he is still licking the soles of the conservatives’ shoes. His actions and words are really crazy and he is really making worse mistakes than I imagined and I wonder why.
Hi Cujo359, Not just the insurance industry. Most any industry. The regulatory agencies are broken, and we don’t see Obama fixing them.
Hi Blub, I think this Administration learned the wrong lesson from the Clinton experience on health care. The lesson the Clintonites, now advising Obama, learned was that you lose when you introduce a bill into Congress and don’t allow them to write it. However, this lesson is belied by American history dating from the New Deal up to Clinton’s Presidency.
I think the lesson they should have learned is “don’t get caught with a bill that’s too complex for people to understand, is very easy for the right to target and lie about, and that you can’t message very well. The Hillary Clinton Ira Magaziner bill was exactly that. Of course, the Clintonites had a hard time admitting that the content of their bill was flawed and their real mistake was the initial political calculation that “Medicare for All” wouldn’t fly and that they had to propose a very complex compromise between public and private to succeed. They took this reluctance to admit a fundamental error with them into the Obama Administration and advocated against Medicare for All there and for the PO.
And so they’ve made exactly the same error, but now compounded by the fact that they’ve allowed the lobby-vulnerable Congress to write the bill. The result is that we have bills that are over 1000 pages in length. The public can’t understand them. They are easily lied about. And they are easy targets for communicators like Frank Luntz and the health insurance industry, and Obama spends all his time attempting to debunk lies, rather than positively advocate for a bill that is not even his.
If Obama didn’t want to write a Medicare for All bill; he should have backed John Conyers’ HR 676 bill. It’s simple, only 30 pages in length, easy for people to read, easy to message about,and hard to lie about successfully.
I’ve written about this in more detail here, here, and here.
Remember the movie The Fly?
It’s as if Obama had stepped into the transmogrification pod with Rhambo and what emerged in the other pod was a DNA infusion of the two.
Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present to you:
RHAMBOBAMA!
I’m sorry folks. I think Carter was socially liberal and very good on energy policy. In fact, I think one of the worst things about the Clinton Administration is that they did not push immediately for a return to Carter’s measure in this area.
However Carter’s Administration represented a return to the Eisenhower Administration in economic policy. He tried his best to balance the budget, at the expense of Government programs for the needy. He let the Federal Reserve run economic activity, which is why he really lost in 1980, since they crashed the economy to get control of inflation. He refused to use price controls when oil prices and interest rates went out of sight. He didn’t help unions very much. He wouldn’t stimulate the economy. He botched up health care reform. His foreign policy wasn’t very realistic, and was ineffective in many areas All in all, he was the worst Democratic President in the 20th century.
The math can work for Medicare for All. One just has to raise taxes and implement other reforms for creating high-velocity organizations. The place where the math is worst is relative to the private sector. There, the profit motive, working without a bonafide market has created a fraudulent industry that first seels people insurance and then systematically tries to negate its promised coverage by finding ways of getting out of their contracts once people get sick. As long as profit is involved getting out of taking care of the insured and denying coverage of those that look like a bad risk will be the goal of the industry. They don’t care about cutting costs by improving the health care process; but only want to cut their costs by by denying coverage and rescinding contracts.
He is a great ex-president.
Let bygones be bygones, dude. Krugman’s right on this. He was right during the primary campaigns too about the weak and nebulous wishy-washiness of Obama’s healthcare plan.
Get over it and be part of the solution. Otherwise stay out of the conversation cause you’re dragging others down with you into your half-empty-ness.
Well, the bottom line is that the White House hasn’t been doing what “the White House” said it was going to do.
So, that’s either the President, or Emanuel or other high-up policy guys.
I still think it’s because they’re burned out. Marathon electioneering and then a whole bunch of political problems.
If the Health Care bills were short, then the Republicans would be complaining that they’ve “left out a lot of the details!” and make stuff up to fill it in.
They don’t play fair, they don’t fight fair, they don’t argue fair. So great that the site is organizing to promote Public Option.
In late ‘91/early ‘92 I hung with the Clinton crowd, so it’s fair to argue that Rahm may be pushing people under the bus. His boss won, and he calculated that he didn’t need you as strongly as before. So now maybe he thinks twice.
(P.S. President Carter was the first material victim of the modern Republican attack machine, which really got its genesis in the 1970’s. Before that era, the Republicans were the milquetoast guys, always playing by the Marquis de Queensbury rules. And often on the “unpatriotic”/anti-populist side of the issues: Prohibition, no New Deal, Isolationism. Carter’s mistake was that he didn’t see what hit him. I don’t think he would have made the same one later.)
Read this excellent book, to learn how the Democratic party undermined Carter, and brought the corporations back into politics.
Why did CMS not just issue a regulation permitting advance directive counseling as a billable service?
If I were drafting, I’d require every insurance policy to include advance directive instructions from the policy holder. I’d insist on a requirement that each of us think about how we’d like to live and how we’d like to not live. Whatever instructions the policy holder wants. But instructions.
Why did the issue become not ‘who receives’ or what one receives but ‘who pays’ ?
Who introduced the reimbursement option into the health care legislation?
Was the motivation provider greed? Or uproar creation?
Is this a Trojan Horse? That backfired?
The result was to be a payment for a service to providers, and the chance for counseling twice a decade, for seniors and people with disabilities, if one wished. But the first reaction was a scream about killing seniors, forcing people to choose to die, euthanasia, Nazis, … And then a counter, it’s counseling, it’s optional, …
And now the country is having a discussion of end of life, planning, advance directives, extraordinary interventions, …
What was the hoped for consequence, and what the unexpected?
How did that clause get into the suggested legislation?
How did that clause get into the suggested legislation?
the house bill [hr3200] is ~1000 pages long, approximately 200 pages of which are devoted to health insurance exchanges, health insurance reform, etc for those of us who are NOT in public programs [medicare, medicaid, schip, etc]. the remaining 800 pages are all medicare and medicaid ‘reforms’ with about 500 of those pages devoted to medicare [the payment for end-of0life planning is in this section].
the bill [bills, if you include the senate] look suspiciously like their main purpose is to ‘reform’ any and all ‘entitlement’ programs [remember that the slogan earlier in this process was health care reform is entitlement reform, also stated as entitlement reform is healthcare reform]]. call me cynical, but this is all about [1] gutting ‘entitlement’ programs, and [2] providing yet another another bailout for the corporate fatcats.
all of the republicans, and many of the democrats, want the govt to spend less money [and less and less and less…] on old people and poor people, and they want it enshrined in actual law.