Comments on: If Progressive Members of the House Think We’ll Accept Co-Ops As Public Plan, Think Again http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:33:20 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: selise http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39613 selise Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:07:42 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39613 <p>jane, i came back hoping to find out what i did that pissed you off in this thread. i linked to democracy now!, scarecrow and you — i’m pretty sure that’s it. on the off chance you see this and are willing to explain, i’ll check back at some point.</p> jane, i came back hoping to find out what i did that pissed you off in this thread. i linked to democracy now!, scarecrow and you — i’m pretty sure that’s it. on the off chance you see this and are willing to explain, i’ll check back at some point.

]]> By: spktruth http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39545 spktruth Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:14:07 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39545 <p>Are you hearing the “conspiracy theories” out there picking off some progressives. Alex Jones is putting out information that the “swine flu” thing is another attempt to kill people. He claims that the vacines are not safe, have squalene in it causing cancer. Some of these so called progressives are making the jump that the untested swine flu vaccine and Obamas health care are one and the same. </p> <p>There is a huge difference between Howard Dean and James Dean his brother. Howard as Governor never delivered a single payer health care system even though progressives were pushing him to do so. Its James (I think that is his first name) who is a strong advocate for single payer.</p> <p>Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA are all single payer systems. We have them already. What the repukes are pushing today is for states to allow insurance companies across state borders to be able to go anywhere they want and that alone will bring down costs. Its a lie. Its nothing but a continuation of the for profit system, AND our Doctors hate it. Doctors at PNHP.org, claim they spend 40% of their time doing paperwork, hiring people who do nothing but paperwork. How would that plan help us, it wouldnt. Just more confusion added to the rest of the confusion.</p> Are you hearing the “conspiracy theories” out there picking off some progressives. Alex Jones is putting out information that the “swine flu” thing is another attempt to kill people. He claims that the vacines are not safe, have squalene in it causing cancer. Some of these so called progressives are making the jump that the untested swine flu vaccine and Obamas health care are one and the same.

There is a huge difference between Howard Dean and James Dean his brother. Howard as Governor never delivered a single payer health care system even though progressives were pushing him to do so. Its James (I think that is his first name) who is a strong advocate for single payer.

Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA are all single payer systems. We have them already. What the repukes are pushing today is for states to allow insurance companies across state borders to be able to go anywhere they want and that alone will bring down costs. Its a lie. Its nothing but a continuation of the for profit system, AND our Doctors hate it. Doctors at PNHP.org, claim they spend 40% of their time doing paperwork, hiring people who do nothing but paperwork. How would that plan help us, it wouldnt. Just more confusion added to the rest of the confusion.

]]> By: WordBloom http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39474 WordBloom Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:54:46 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39474 <p>If those who pledged, end up accepting a co-op package instead or anything less than the Public Option, there WILL be a grass roots progressives 3rd party which will take every vote they can from any Democratic “traitor” candidate next season.</p> If those who pledged, end up accepting a co-op package instead or anything less than the Public Option, there WILL be a grass roots progressives 3rd party which will take every vote they can from any Democratic “traitor” candidate next season.

]]> By: sopranospinner http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39439 sopranospinner Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:11:23 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39439 <p>I disagree. This could be Obama’s Katrina. If there is no real reform which makes sure that everyone can get care, we will start to count the dead. The people who die every day until universal coverage is achieved.</p> I disagree. This could be Obama’s Katrina. If there is no real reform which makes sure that everyone can get care, we will start to count the dead. The people who die every day until universal coverage is achieved.

]]> By: Mauimom http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39433 Mauimom Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:55:16 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39433 <blockquote><p>Jane thinks we can’t influence Obama. I think we can — by changing the parameters of the public debate. And the most effective way to influence that debate is to raise serious questions about Obama’s honesty, integrity, and character</p></blockquote> <p>Oh yeah, no chance there’d be any “collateral damage” with that strategy.</p> <p>Go back to Mitch McConnell’s office or the RNC.</p>

Jane thinks we can’t influence Obama. I think we can — by changing the parameters of the public debate. And the most effective way to influence that debate is to raise serious questions about Obama’s honesty, integrity, and character

Oh yeah, no chance there’d be any “collateral damage” with that strategy.

Go back to Mitch McConnell’s office or the RNC.

]]> By: Mauimom http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39430 Mauimom Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:48:12 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39430 <p>“Lukasiak” is an <i>[Edited by Moderator. Please refrain from calling names]</i>.</p> “Lukasiak” is an [Edited by Moderator. Please refrain from calling names].

]]> By: Mauimom http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39429 Mauimom Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:47:05 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39429 <blockquote><p>If one of your critters is on the list, give them a call and put them on the spot. Lets shame these people into doing their jobs</p></blockquote> <p>I approve of your thought/suggestion, but one of my Critters is Inouye, who knows absolutely no shame.</p> <p>The local papers just had glowing articles and columns about how “necessary” it was for him to hold a fund-raiser last weekend that pulled in over a million dollars. The dude is 86 years old, there’s never any competition, and he BRAGS about his prowess with earmarks.</p> <p>If Hawaii weren’t such a shithole, maybe there would be someone to run against him — from either party.</p>

If one of your critters is on the list, give them a call and put them on the spot. Lets shame these people into doing their jobs

I approve of your thought/suggestion, but one of my Critters is Inouye, who knows absolutely no shame.

The local papers just had glowing articles and columns about how “necessary” it was for him to hold a fund-raiser last weekend that pulled in over a million dollars. The dude is 86 years old, there’s never any competition, and he BRAGS about his prowess with earmarks.

If Hawaii weren’t such a shithole, maybe there would be someone to run against him — from either party.

]]> By: splamco http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39418 splamco Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:36:11 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39418 <p>Thank goodness for Jane Hamsher, Matt Taibbi and Rachel Maddow.</p> Thank goodness for Jane Hamsher, Matt Taibbi and Rachel Maddow.

]]> By: webfooteddem http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39412 webfooteddem Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:59:04 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39412 <p>When was the last time the pressure was put on the POTUS from his own people?</p> <p>I think that’s the only thing that will work to get Obama dancing to the right song. The right-wing tunes are expected, but an uprising from his own camp would definitely shake him.</p> <p>Although, they are working mighty hard to claim the progressives who already are making noise are part of the wingnut group.</p> When was the last time the pressure was put on the POTUS from his own people?

I think that’s the only thing that will work to get Obama dancing to the right song. The right-wing tunes are expected, but an uprising from his own camp would definitely shake him.

Although, they are working mighty hard to claim the progressives who already are making noise are part of the wingnut group.

]]> By: Hugh http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39410 Hugh Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:37:58 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/#comment-39410 <p>We have to disagree. I don’t see the PO having the market power and effect you ascribe to it even under the best conditions. It’s sort of an “if but then” for me. If we could enact such a robust PO and it were so effective why would we need other insurers and if the PO could create such price economies on the system how is it that if it went to single payer it suddenly would lose this ability?</p> We have to disagree. I don’t see the PO having the market power and effect you ascribe to it even under the best conditions. It’s sort of an “if but then” for me. If we could enact such a robust PO and it were so effective why would we need other insurers and if the PO could create such price economies on the system how is it that if it went to single payer it suddenly would lose this ability?

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