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	<title>Comments on: Why I Interrupted Bill Clinton&#8217;s Speech at Netroots Nation</title>
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		<title>By: vampyrette</title>
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		<dc:creator>vampyrette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know if I would be shocked to see people trying to silence me if I did what you did, but I would definitely not let that stop me or make me feel bad for what I’d done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think you did a good thing by shouting out to force a discussion, since it appeared to you by that point that there would really be no other way. If you hadn’t done it, none of the progress that was made would’ve happened.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m glad of the outcome, and I’m sorry that so many people couldn’t see it at the time, and apparently still can’t.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I were there that day, I would’ve clapped for you. :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know if I would be shocked to see people trying to silence me if I did what you did, but I would definitely not let that stop me or make me feel bad for what I’d done.</p>
<p>I think you did a good thing by shouting out to force a discussion, since it appeared to you by that point that there would really be no other way. If you hadn’t done it, none of the progress that was made would’ve happened.</p>
<p>I’m glad of the outcome, and I’m sorry that so many people couldn’t see it at the time, and apparently still can’t.</p>
<p>If I were there that day, I would’ve clapped for you. :)</p>
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		<title>By: igo2go</title>
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		<dc:creator>igo2go</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you do that again I might suggest composing yourself a bit, to me you came off frantic, I know it’s a tough thing to do but if you are going to do something like that you should do it as close to perfect as possible. Yeah you had to be loud but you were so emotional and on edge when he ask you to sit down you looked like you were about to lose it. Hee hee your finger wagging and head movement are classic. I gotta say, man Clinton is one smooth mofo, he didn’t miss a beat..Christ I wish he was president today, at least part of him. He could be in a shit storm and come out not smelling. That said it was good that it was done.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you do that again I might suggest composing yourself a bit, to me you came off frantic, I know it’s a tough thing to do but if you are going to do something like that you should do it as close to perfect as possible. Yeah you had to be loud but you were so emotional and on edge when he ask you to sit down you looked like you were about to lose it. Hee hee your finger wagging and head movement are classic. I gotta say, man Clinton is one smooth mofo, he didn’t miss a beat..Christ I wish he was president today, at least part of him. He could be in a shit storm and come out not smelling. That said it was good that it was done.</p>
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		<title>By: docfink420</title>
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		<dc:creator>docfink420</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice job Lane.  Mass adulation is not what netroots is about.  Anyone who stood in the way of Clinton’s celebrity-stroking (no Q &amp; A?) to find answers to a question such as this is embracing the most basic traditions of democracy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job Lane.  Mass adulation is not what netroots is about.  Anyone who stood in the way of Clinton’s celebrity-stroking (no Q &amp; A?) to find answers to a question such as this is embracing the most basic traditions of democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Millineryman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Millineryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Would you say to a woman, would you like advice from a guy about your reproductive rights and how to go about protecting them?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you say to a woman, would you like advice from a guy about your reproductive rights and how to go about protecting them?</p>
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		<title>By: cloudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cloudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Huh?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Gator90</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gator90</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“If you want the opinion of a straight guy”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Incidentally, for whatever significance it has, I’m devoutly straight.  I’m interested in your opinion, which is why I engaged with you, but your orientation and gender are not the reasons.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If you want the opinion of a straight guy”</p>
<p>Incidentally, for whatever significance it has, I’m devoutly straight.  I’m interested in your opinion, which is why I engaged with you, but your orientation and gender are not the reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Gator90</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gator90</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“to everything there is a season” — BargainCounter&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a more convenient season.” — MLK, Letter from Birmingham Jail&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“to everything there is a season” — BargainCounter</p>
<p>“who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a more convenient season.” — MLK, Letter from Birmingham Jail</p>
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		<title>By: Cellar47</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cellar47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;” One of the things that King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference did brilliantly was to pick their battles. Gay rights activists would do well to follow that practice”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the things you would do well to remember is that King’s second-in-command was an openly gay man named Bayard Rustin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I’m not saying don’t be assertive, I’m saying be assertive in the right place.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Translation: “You’re too uppity!”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“without Clinton I think things would have been much worse”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Worse than AIDS?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Translation: “He was a much nicer torturer than the one they had before because he did it with a smile.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“What was to be gained by the action?”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The issue is now being talked about all over the net.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“If you want the opinion of a straight guy, your next important battle is in in Maine. Defeating the citizen repeal vote on gay marriage is very important.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The most important battle is getting more gays and lesbians to come out, and making the world safe for gay and lesbian teenagers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The problem with Lane Hudson isn’t in what he said, the problem lies in where and when he said it. If his purpose was to alienate supporters not directly involved in his cause while rallying the base, then he achieved his purpose admirably. But I don’t think any of us ought to be taking plays out of the Michael Steele playbook. Do you?”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He was talking it out of the Larry Kramer playbook.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those who were “alientated” by Lane’s actions aren’t supporters and never were.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>” One of the things that King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference did brilliantly was to pick their battles. Gay rights activists would do well to follow that practice”</p>
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<p>One of the things you would do well to remember is that King’s second-in-command was an openly gay man named Bayard Rustin.</p>
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<p>“I’m not saying don’t be assertive, I’m saying be assertive in the right place.”</p>
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<p>Translation: “You’re too uppity!”</p>
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<p>“without Clinton I think things would have been much worse”</p>
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<p>Worse than AIDS?</p>
<p>Translation: “He was a much nicer torturer than the one they had before because he did it with a smile.”</p>
<blockquote><p>“What was to be gained by the action?”</p>
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<p>The issue is now being talked about all over the net.</p>
<blockquote><p>“If you want the opinion of a straight guy, your next important battle is in in Maine. Defeating the citizen repeal vote on gay marriage is very important.”</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The most important battle is getting more gays and lesbians to come out, and making the world safe for gay and lesbian teenagers.</p>
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<p>“The problem with Lane Hudson isn’t in what he said, the problem lies in where and when he said it. If his purpose was to alienate supporters not directly involved in his cause while rallying the base, then he achieved his purpose admirably. But I don’t think any of us ought to be taking plays out of the Michael Steele playbook. Do you?”</p>
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<p>He was talking it out of the Larry Kramer playbook.</p>
<p>Those who were “alientated” by Lane’s actions aren’t supporters and never were.</p>
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		<title>By: BargainCountertenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>BargainCountertenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not more devoted to order than justice, but to everything there is a season.  One of the things that King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference did brilliantly was to pick their battles.  Gay rights activists would do well to follow that practice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not saying don’t be assertive, I’m saying be assertive in the right place.  There is a place for street theater of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence variety.  There was even a place for the Stonewall Riots: the police had become so egregiously oppressive in their tactics that there wasn’t much choice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Accosting the former president ‘who sold you down the river’ (that is not my read of the history, without Clinton I think things would have been much worse) was a chump’s move.  What was gained?  A lot of heat and precious little light.  A whole bunch of people sympathetic to your cause (like me) are angry &lt;em&gt;because his actions harmed all of us and all our causes.&lt;/em&gt;  Clinton should not have suggested that Lane go to a Health Care Town Hall, because Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh don’t need to have ideas given to them.  If they just make stuff up, that’s refutable.  But this is on tape — now we have to play the nuance game.  And those guys don’t get nuance at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What was to be gained by the action?  Precious little.  Clinton is no longer a policy-maker.  He is influential to some degree, but it’s unclear to me how much weight he carries in Obama-world.  Clinton’s influence is probably greater among the grass-roots than it is in official Washington, and way higher there than in the various State capitals.  So I ask again, what was the upside in this outburst?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pick your battles.  Pick battles that you can win, battles where the potential gains are at least equal the costs.  Then make damned sure that you’re ready and that you win them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you want the opinion of a straight guy, your next important battle is in in Maine.  Defeating the citizen repeal vote on gay marriage is very important.  The battle after that is in California.  Repealing that odious Proposition 8 is also tremendously important.  But make sure you’re ready when you decide to engage the battle: I guarantee that the Catholic hierarchy and the LDS forces will be ready.  You can’t afford to lose that one.  If your stuff isn’t in a pile and ready to go for 2010, wait for 2012.  If you lose the repeal initiative, you will have lost it for a generation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The is a time and purpose for everything.  The problem with Lane Hudson isn’t in what he said, the problem lies in where and when he said it.  If his purpose was to alienate supporters not directly involved in his cause while rallying the base, then he achieved his purpose admirably.  But I don’t think any of us ought to be taking plays out of the Michael Steele playbook.  Do you?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not more devoted to order than justice, but to everything there is a season.  One of the things that King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference did brilliantly was to pick their battles.  Gay rights activists would do well to follow that practice.</p>
<p>I’m not saying don’t be assertive, I’m saying be assertive in the right place.  There is a place for street theater of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence variety.  There was even a place for the Stonewall Riots: the police had become so egregiously oppressive in their tactics that there wasn’t much choice.</p>
<p>Accosting the former president ‘who sold you down the river’ (that is not my read of the history, without Clinton I think things would have been much worse) was a chump’s move.  What was gained?  A lot of heat and precious little light.  A whole bunch of people sympathetic to your cause (like me) are angry <em>because his actions harmed all of us and all our causes.</em>  Clinton should not have suggested that Lane go to a Health Care Town Hall, because Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh don’t need to have ideas given to them.  If they just make stuff up, that’s refutable.  But this is on tape — now we have to play the nuance game.  And those guys don’t get nuance at all.</p>
<p>What was to be gained by the action?  Precious little.  Clinton is no longer a policy-maker.  He is influential to some degree, but it’s unclear to me how much weight he carries in Obama-world.  Clinton’s influence is probably greater among the grass-roots than it is in official Washington, and way higher there than in the various State capitals.  So I ask again, what was the upside in this outburst?</p>
<p>Pick your battles.  Pick battles that you can win, battles where the potential gains are at least equal the costs.  Then make damned sure that you’re ready and that you win them.</p>
<p>If you want the opinion of a straight guy, your next important battle is in in Maine.  Defeating the citizen repeal vote on gay marriage is very important.  The battle after that is in California.  Repealing that odious Proposition 8 is also tremendously important.  But make sure you’re ready when you decide to engage the battle: I guarantee that the Catholic hierarchy and the LDS forces will be ready.  You can’t afford to lose that one.  If your stuff isn’t in a pile and ready to go for 2010, wait for 2012.  If you lose the repeal initiative, you will have lost it for a generation.</p>
<p>The is a time and purpose for everything.  The problem with Lane Hudson isn’t in what he said, the problem lies in where and when he said it.  If his purpose was to alienate supporters not directly involved in his cause while rallying the base, then he achieved his purpose admirably.  But I don’t think any of us ought to be taking plays out of the Michael Steele playbook.  Do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great job, Lane - you done good.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those in the hall who shushed you - and those here who criticize you - might want to take a good look in their mirrors.  Their inner authoritarian is showing: and it’s very, very ugly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job, Lane &#8211; you done good.</p>
<p>Those in the hall who shushed you &#8211; and those here who criticize you &#8211; might want to take a good look in their mirrors.  Their inner authoritarian is showing: and it’s very, very ugly.</p>
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