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	<title>Comments on: Countering the Lies about Health Care Reform</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/12/countering-the-lies-about-health-care-reform/#comment-37596</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can add Chuck Grassley to that list.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey Chuck, go stick your head in a pig.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LOL Now that’s one of the most creative insults I’ve ever read. Way to go!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can add Chuck Grassley to that list.</p>
<p>Hey Chuck, go stick your head in a pig.</p>
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<p>LOL Now that’s one of the most creative insults I’ve ever read. Way to go!</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/12/countering-the-lies-about-health-care-reform/#comment-37532</link>
		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PolitiFact&lt;/a&gt; has a pretty good fact sheet I’m going to use to counter these lies.&lt;br /&gt;
I got it from the Communications Workers of America email newsletter. Here’s another source of info: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.healthcarevoices.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.healthcarevoices.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/" rel="nofollow">PolitiFact</a> has a pretty good fact sheet I’m going to use to counter these lies.<br />
I got it from the Communications Workers of America email newsletter. Here’s another source of info: <a href="http://www.healthcarevoices.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthcarevoices.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: becca656</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/12/countering-the-lies-about-health-care-reform/#comment-37531</link>
		<dc:creator>becca656</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for posting this.  I copied the memo into a Facebook note and tagged the two folks who’ve been commenting quite hysterically about the proposed bills.  Hopefully, they’ll read it.  Fortunately, they’re not stupid ‘birthers’, so maybe they’ll absorb what they’re reading.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this.  I copied the memo into a Facebook note and tagged the two folks who’ve been commenting quite hysterically about the proposed bills.  Hopefully, they’ll read it.  Fortunately, they’re not stupid ‘birthers’, so maybe they’ll absorb what they’re reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/12/countering-the-lies-about-health-care-reform/#comment-37529</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If it hasn’t been said by someone else, a program of Medicare for All would be a lot easier to defend than the current largely amorphous pro-insurance, pro-BigPharma Obamacare plan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it hasn’t been said by someone else, a program of Medicare for All would be a lot easier to defend than the current largely amorphous pro-insurance, pro-BigPharma Obamacare plan.</p>
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		<title>By: davem34</title>
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		<dc:creator>davem34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is no debate.  Obama and associates didn’t want a debate - hence the demand to pass the incomplete &amp; unread bill before the August recess.  They want to just ram their agenda down everyones throat.  A REAL community organizer would sit down with both sides and work to meet in the middle, but of course Obama takes the position of I won, I can do what I want.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At this point, I don’t trust Obama and his cohorts to reform health care. He has lied too many times (earmarks, financial responsibility, the stimulus, being post-partisan, Gitmo …… just like the old joke, how do you know when a politician is lying?  His mouth is moving).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no debate.  Obama and associates didn’t want a debate &#8211; hence the demand to pass the incomplete &amp; unread bill before the August recess.  They want to just ram their agenda down everyones throat.  A REAL community organizer would sit down with both sides and work to meet in the middle, but of course Obama takes the position of I won, I can do what I want.</p>
<p>At this point, I don’t trust Obama and his cohorts to reform health care. He has lied too many times (earmarks, financial responsibility, the stimulus, being post-partisan, Gitmo …… just like the old joke, how do you know when a politician is lying?  His mouth is moving).</p>
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		<title>By: jdavidf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdavidf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve been wondering that nobody in the administration or congess wants to use the word “lie”. They’ll use “misleading”, they’ll use “false”, they’ll use “distortion”…name a synonym and it’s out there. The mainstream media certainly won’t use the word “lie”..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe if those in power, the president, his spokespeople, the reps and senators, even (egad) the occasional “reporter” in the media would call these ‘untruths’ what they are: “lies”, it would get through people’s skulls that something is awry with the whole “debate”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been wondering that nobody in the administration or congess wants to use the word “lie”. They’ll use “misleading”, they’ll use “false”, they’ll use “distortion”…name a synonym and it’s out there. The mainstream media certainly won’t use the word “lie”..</p>
<p>Maybe if those in power, the president, his spokespeople, the reps and senators, even (egad) the occasional “reporter” in the media would call these ‘untruths’ what they are: “lies”, it would get through people’s skulls that something is awry with the whole “debate”</p>
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		<title>By: nahant</title>
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		<dc:creator>nahant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good Idea Ann!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Idea Ann!</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Namaste&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Namaste</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;woo hoo !!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;excellent! thanks for doing that… i expect it will help more pups than just me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;gotta run… catch you and your tigers later!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woo hoo !!!!</p>
<p>excellent! thanks for doing that… i expect it will help more pups than just me.</p>
<p>gotta run… catch you and your tigers later!</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Begala:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“If you send me legislation that does not guarantee every American &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;private&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; health insurance that can never be taken away, you will force me to take this pen, veto the legislation, and we’ll come right back here and start all over again.” I helped set the bar at 100 percent — “guarantee every American” — and after our failure it’s taken us 15 years to start all over again.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder if that word I emphasized had anything to do with it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hillarycare was a charade that failed because the insurance industry had bought-n-paid-for Democrats nixing anything that threatened their profits, and Obamacare is a charade in the process of failure because the insurance industry has bought-n-paid-for Democrats nixing anything that threatens their profits.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but don’t worry, in the aftermath Democrats and their camp followers can always scapegoat the usual suspects,  sincere, principled advocates of Single Payer who refused to sell out for 2cents on the dollar.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Begala:</p>
<blockquote><p>“If you send me legislation that does not guarantee every American <strong><em>private</em></strong> health insurance that can never be taken away, you will force me to take this pen, veto the legislation, and we’ll come right back here and start all over again.” I helped set the bar at 100 percent — “guarantee every American” — and after our failure it’s taken us 15 years to start all over again.”</p>
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<p>I wonder if that word I emphasized had anything to do with it?</p>
<p>Hillarycare was a charade that failed because the insurance industry had bought-n-paid-for Democrats nixing anything that threatened their profits, and Obamacare is a charade in the process of failure because the insurance industry has bought-n-paid-for Democrats nixing anything that threatens their profits.</p>
<p>but don’t worry, in the aftermath Democrats and their camp followers can always scapegoat the usual suspects,  sincere, principled advocates of Single Payer who refused to sell out for 2cents on the dollar.</p>
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