All across the country, the opponents of health care reform are spreading misinformation about President Barack Obama proposals to improve health care coverage for all Americans. We shouldn’t be surprised about that. The insurance companies, the right-wing radio hosts, the K-Street lobbyists and the Republican leadership who are spreading the misinformation have a vested interest in keeping the status quo. They are willing to lie to protect industry profits.
It is troubling to see that so many well-meaning citizens are listening to the lies and believing them. One has only to watch a handful of angry questioners at some televised town-hall meetings to know that some of these questioners are good people who are troubled by what they are hearing. They want to know the facts. But all too often, they are denied answers by the right-wing rabble that eschews the truth by shouting others down.
That’s wrong. The opponents of health care reform are pulling out all the stops to kill the reform that millions of Americans need to improve our health care. They’re spreading falsehoods and creating chaos. They know what they are doing. All of us need to work together to break through the lies and shouts and slurs. We need to make sure that our friends and neighbors know the truth and can separate the lies from the facts about health insurance reform.
When Sarah Palin writes that President Obama is going to set up “death panels” to decide whether her child with Down syndrome, or elderly parents, are going to live or die, she is spreading a lie. That’s a disgrace and she is not alone. A few others liars need to be told to stop it, too.
Senior citizens seem to be a particular target for these liars. A lot of the mythology about health reform is designed to scare them.
Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) was on Fox News last month saying that the President’s proposals would be paid for “on the backs of seniors through Medicare cuts.” That’s a lie. As the Alliance for Retired Americans points out, Medicare will benefit from cost-containment across the entire health care system. Furthermore, President Obama has proposed ending the wasteful overpayments currently given to private Medicare Advantage plans. That reform will help ensure that Medicare resources benefit all Medicare participants, and are not diverted to insurance companies.
Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC) went on the House floor to state that the GOP opponents of health care reform “would not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government.” The idea that the President and supporters of health insurance reform want to put people to death is an outrageous lie. As the Los Angeles Times noted on August 10, “This has become one of the most misleading, inflammatory claims made in the health care debate, advanced repeatedly by conservative commentators such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Republican lawmakers working to stoke fears among seniors.”
In fact, as the Times notes, under the proposal, Medicare would start to cover voluntary doctor visits to discuss living wills and advance directives for care, which would be used only if a person becomes seriously ill and unable to make medical decisions. As is currently the practice, advance care decisions would still be made by the individual. There is nothing mandatory or coercive in the proposal, which was proposed initially by Republicans in Congress.
Another lie spread across the country: the President’s proposal will lead to cuts in the coverage seniors receive for prescription drugs. Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK) said as much on July 21 when he claimed that the Democratic proposal would cause “millions of seniors to lose their coverage for prescription medicine.” In fact, health insurance reform will save seniors hundreds of dollars on their prescriptions because it cuts the cost of drugs by half once they reach the Part D coverage gap. Moreover, it begins phasing in the end of the “donut hole.”
It’s troubling that these lies about health insurance reform are frightening senior citizens. That is an outrage. When you hear these lies, correct them. Let’s make sure seniors and all Americans know the truth about health care reform and that lies are spread to block real progress.





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You can add Chuck Grassley to that list.
Hey Chuck, go stick your head in a pig.
But, but … Chuck Grassley is exactly the kind of moderate Republican
who needs to sign off on health care reform if its going to
truly be
a piece of sh*tbipartisan.The White House needs a ” War Room” because this is a war. And a daily truth review with the press to confront the deceptions and correct them. They are the only ones who can command the media time to do that.
I have been trying to add an event for Rep. Stephen Lynch by using this FDL submission method and yet it does not show up on FDL Event Tracker or here or in the August Recess Event Reporting google doc. Can you clear up this issue for me?
[mod note: your query was passed on to the tech team, thanks.]
This event? Did you just now try to enter it – there may be a delay until it can be checked and entered onto the list.
MASSACHUSETTS – Congressman Stephen Lynch has invited constituents of the Ninth Congressional District to attend an open forum sponsored by Curry College.
The forum will take place on Thursday, Aug. 27 and will take place at the Alumni Recreation Center at Curry College from 6 to 8 p.m. at 1071 Blue Hill Ave., Milton.
Here’s one to reassure seniors on Medicare:
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..1486.story
They need to explain how reductions in payments to hospitals for uncompensated care will be made up by claims hospitals will apply to new Medicaid patients’ and new public option patients’ insurance policies.
Yes. Thanks egregious. I posted it this morning. I’ll keep a eye on it. Is submitting events here still the way FDL wants us to do it?
Chuck Grassley is not a “moderate” in any sense of the word. He is an ultra-right-wing, Christian fundamentalist nutball whose power is totally out of proportion to his intellect.
Hell, just try to listen to the guy: his tortured syntax makes George Bush sound like a first-rate orator!
I need to do some printing and multiple-copy-making, I guess.
Next week I’m going to be in (one of) the belly of the beast – my mother’s 98 1/2% white old age apartment complex/village.
She just asked me to come help her with some issues. I need to find a way to avoid the subject with her because we’ll just devolve into a fight. At our advanced ages (she’s over 90) we both avoid subjects of that sort – a big change from our younger days.
But I suspect I will hear some sh-t from her friends and neighbors – after all, is there any other subject, beyond one’s own personal health, than health care among the old and Republican right now?
I will try to be polite, and will refute their warped misunderstandings to the best of my ability, but you know they won’t change their minds.
Any suggestions?
Oh, good lord. I dropped by the AARP website looking for a fact sheet at a source the above-mentioned old white folks might trust – Under health care bill all I saw was hateful, woefully misinformed and yes, hysterical name-calling because AARP favors the bill.
They are “lost as an inpenant [sic] voice” for the elderly because what they’re saying is just the same as what Nancy Pelosi “and her band of lefties want us to believee.” Oh, and “don’t look behind the curtin [sic]”
More clues to the merging of the hate of immigrants: a comment saying, “Democrats, ALL lefties, and some republicans refuse to recognize how deeply the “freedom FROM from government” is ingrained into most of our native population here…” [italics mine]
I want to keep fighting, but the onslaught is getting overwhelming. And then they get offended at being called “misinformed.” They should be glad we aren’t just saying “YOU’RE STUPID!!!”
Senators lying about job related issues if I told a customer a lie about my job I would be fired. Just what does a Senator have to do to be fired?
Harry if you want respect bring the hammer down have a vote to expel these creeps. Sure you will lose but I want the GOP and Blue dogs on record defending these lies.
The status quo must go!!
Heh-heh, Ho-ho!
(repeat as needed)
get some facts and tell them the truth.
remind them that the same folks who are “standing up” for medicare now and saying Dems will destroy it, were the ones who opposed it to begin with, wanted to fix it to death under bush and will be back to talking about how it unfairly transfers wealth from other generations to seniors.
ask them if they remember all that? and ask them to remember which party actually BELIEVES in Medicare.
it aint the goopers.
Here’s what the “Health Care Debate” is really about.
oh yea, and grassley was out and about selling the death panel BS.
that should give the DEM leadership second thoughts, if they are expecting that guy to be the bridge to gooper bipartisanship.
That shit is old and dead.
go for the dem-only bill. and let’s get it on.
Even if the public is being hoodwinked by propaganda one would hope that their representatives can cut through the crap and “decide” on the facts/merits of the issue.
One would hope they do their homework and don’t buy the lobbyist BS or that of the ideolgues.
I don’t have much faith that the critters actually LISTEN to and RESPOND to and REPRESENT their constituents.
They see their own elections as giving the the power to decide FOR them.
The people at the townhall were repeating the lines that politicians were saying. They couldn’t even think they were so paranoid. It is tragic how we have sacrificed education in this land. I thought I was watching people that were talking to their tv’s. It was like watching someone pray to have someone else executed.
I believe that’s what allan was saying, more or less. But your characterization was worth the trouble you took, to be sure.
Even in open forums, decorum should be the order of the day, civil discussion should trump cat-calls. There have to be rules of order with such a large gathering. Baucus set the precedent in his Finance Committee after all. It’s reasonable to read the riot act before the proceedings. It’s not fair to the majority of the participants if a handful of soccer hooligans hi-jack it. The White House should be a guide in these matters, advising in this direction, but instead has allowed chaos to ensue. That should tell you something about the White House agenda.
Isn’t Sarah in trouble about hundreds? of people dying in Alaska because a state program was run bad?
No, she’s a Republic and will just ignore any issues that make her look bad.
oh yes indeedy.
but, look out behind you, there are valid critiques of Obamacare from the left, from advocates of Single Payer, you know, the plan that covers everyone and saves money?
Like the author of HR 676, Congressman John Conyers, who calls the Obamacare plan you are touting “crap.”
Conyers gave that assessment at Washington’s Busboys and Poets restaurant, bookstore and bar, where the Progressive Democrats of America were celebrating their fifth anniversary.
from http://blackagendareport.com/?q=content/conyers-“there-no-one-more-disappointed-i-am-barack-obama”
right-wing oafs brandishing absurd lies are easy to counter, which is why Least-worsters so prefer to point and jeer at them, but the fact is, Obamacare is a hard sell because of the countless sell-outs to the lobbyists it contains.
If the antics of the oafs defeat a terrible plan, they will be doing us all a favor, sorry.
Trig if Sarah was not your mom would you survive Sarah’s death panel?
http://progressivealaska.blogs…..death.html
Memos just released confirm the sweetheart deal Obama made with big pharma. 30 pieces of silver are today worth 150 million in advertising.
ThingsComeUndone – it appears you’re right. Here’s the article about the disasterous system in Alaska.
http://www.adn.com/life/health/story/864670.html
And we’re supposed to listen to Palin spew on about death panels when her ineffectual “leadership” leads to this?
The Sarah death panel story is just to good to pass up any real network would run that story!
Ok granted there are no real networks.
At the risk of being jeered at, this is bang-on.
When Sarah Palin writes that President Obama is going to set up “death panels” to decide whether her child with Down syndrome, or elderly parents, are going to live or die, she is spreading a lie. That’s a disgrace…
ya know, one of these days, there’s gonna be a special place for Sarah.
And being from Alaska, she’s going to find the climate change quite extreme.
The hypocrisy alone should get this story tv air time but there is no real tv networks just bought and paid for phonies.
Sarah should face her own Alaska death panel when she gets old!
Besides Obama, is there not one recognizable Democrat who is not too scared to get in the news cycle consistantly and say “BS” to the constant drone of Republic BS?
No comments on Begala’s column in the Wash Post today?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02575.html
Agreed people who don’t think government can work should not run it.
Haven’t seen any evidence of one. No spine, no idea how to fight – no money from me.
Kuccinch, Sanders (democratic socialsit), among a few others are speaking out against the lies of the Republicans but the corporate media makes sure their voices are muffled if not gagged outright.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02575.html
No you are not.
That’s true. It’s been decided that those two will not get much media attention, no matter what the message. However, there are many others. Isn’t there someone to step up here? The Republics gain because the rest remain silent.
Yep. What is so difficult or dangerous about calling the screamers out on thier lies?
Honestly, do the critters and O have any idea how popular they would be if they actually got healthcare done right? It’s like they don’t understand…
I got this this morning from David Axelrod on health Care:
I know it is long but I think all the Pups will want these talking points
yeah, simply because ‘they’ are wrong, oafish, and often display different class signifiers, does not automatically mean that their opponents, Team Washington Democrats, are thereby in the right.
that binary worldview is so 2002, and one of its main embodiments has his cowboy boot up on the table in Texas, with a nice Beam-n-coke, and is watching sports.
c’mon folks, just because a lot of noisy idiots say the bill is bad, does not mean the bill not bad.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02575.html
A tax cut for the rich when we are fighting 2 wars is a modest goal? Even when our troops lacked bullet proof vests, armored vehicles, non shock showers?
You give up to easy the Democrats won’t be a real party until we are rid of you.
So Paul Begala is “redfish?”
LOL
Not sure what Redfish is but if SD thinks its funny then sure!
sadly, i must agree.
it’s been a propaganda war on all sides.
happy to change my mind if anyone can point me to substantive responses to critiques offered by people like steffie woolhandler and david himmelstein (elizabeth warren’s coauthors on the medical bankruptcy studies fer crying out loud!) or kip sullivan or drsteveb, etc.
imo, there is no excuse to ignore the actual experts after a year or more of questions.
Jane has a brand new post up: “How Come Blue Dog Targeted Ad Campaign Doesn’t Target Blue Dogs?”
Did you catch my note yesterday about a post for cat lovers?
Gee, I can’t imagine why legislation created by self-interested, corrupt people dealing in bad faith would come out mushy and unsatisfactory. I mean, we’re talking about the United States Congress, folks — how could a healthcare bill from them be anything less than exemplary?
The process is supposed to produce a good bill. It’s producing “crap” because so many people involved in crafting it are worthless.
Of course, that doesn’t excuse the faith-based, ignorant hatemongering going on on the right, where you’re free to just assume that Obama wants to “destroy America” (which ought to be the LAST thing you assume, not the first).
You can’t argue with people who shouted “the liberals are UNHINGED!!!” and “You’re suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome” for 8 years and who are now, after only 6 months of Obama, revolting against the government and telling themselves that Obama is personally going to come to their houses and murder their invalid relatives.
S/he’s a troll who likes to hijack threads.
did now *g*
thank you. SD, what a great idea!
btw, if you go to your fdl profile, and enter the link:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/author/213
for your website, everyone (including me!) will be able to find your diaries by clicking on your name!
As far as Begala’s piece of WaPoo, I think this is the nut ‘graph:
Shorter Begala:
“I f***ed this up under Clinton, don’t let perfection stop good.”
Except that we ain’t sure that this stuff that’s being pushed is good, Paul.
Hot shit! I didn’t know that. Thanks. The 213 is me? I couldn’t find the post the other day. Figured it got scrubbed.
yup, it’s you…. with links to all your lovely diaries!
that is exactly where i am at.
some looks good, some looks like shit. but it’s all very tentative (iow, i don’t know) because real answers are hard to find. and i’ve od’ed on asking and getting ignored or worse fed substance free talking points.
Sherrod Brown seems to be filling in some gaps.
Well, now, lessee if’n it werks.
Hot shit!
Nahant, might I suggest that you make this “comment” into a diary at Seminal. It stands a much better chance of being read that way. I know I normally skip over some of the very long comments because I am a slow reader, so if I don’t, I lose any chance of continuity with the thread. Just a suggestion.
Begala:
I wonder if that word I emphasized had anything to do with it?
Hillarycare was a charade that failed because the insurance industry had bought-n-paid-for Democrats nixing anything that threatened their profits, and Obamacare is a charade in the process of failure because the insurance industry has bought-n-paid-for Democrats nixing anything that threatens their profits.
but don’t worry, in the aftermath Democrats and their camp followers can always scapegoat the usual suspects, sincere, principled advocates of Single Payer who refused to sell out for 2cents on the dollar.
woo hoo !!!!
excellent! thanks for doing that… i expect it will help more pups than just me.
gotta run… catch you and your tigers later!
Namaste
Good Idea Ann!
I’ve been wondering that nobody in the administration or congess wants to use the word “lie”. They’ll use “misleading”, they’ll use “false”, they’ll use “distortion”…name a synonym and it’s out there. The mainstream media certainly won’t use the word “lie”..
Maybe if those in power, the president, his spokespeople, the reps and senators, even (egad) the occasional “reporter” in the media would call these ‘untruths’ what they are: “lies”, it would get through people’s skulls that something is awry with the whole “debate”
There is no debate. Obama and associates didn’t want a debate – hence the demand to pass the incomplete & unread bill before the August recess. They want to just ram their agenda down everyones throat. A REAL community organizer would sit down with both sides and work to meet in the middle, but of course Obama takes the position of I won, I can do what I want.
At this point, I don’t trust Obama and his cohorts to reform health care. He has lied too many times (earmarks, financial responsibility, the stimulus, being post-partisan, Gitmo …… just like the old joke, how do you know when a politician is lying? His mouth is moving).
If it hasn’t been said by someone else, a program of Medicare for All would be a lot easier to defend than the current largely amorphous pro-insurance, pro-BigPharma Obamacare plan.
Thank you for posting this. I copied the memo into a Facebook note and tagged the two folks who’ve been commenting quite hysterically about the proposed bills. Hopefully, they’ll read it. Fortunately, they’re not stupid ‘birthers’, so maybe they’ll absorb what they’re reading.
PolitiFact has a pretty good fact sheet I’m going to use to counter these lies.
I got it from the Communications Workers of America email newsletter. Here’s another source of info: http://www.healthcarevoices.org/
LOL Now that’s one of the most creative insults I’ve ever read. Way to go!