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	<title>Comments on: Whipping Blue Dogs on Single Payer</title>
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		<title>By: hipparchia</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/11/whipping-blue-dogs-on-single-payer/#comment-37405</link>
		<dc:creator>hipparchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;good point. and since we &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.correntewire.com/i_r_member_press&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;don’t know for sure&lt;/a&gt; that it will be purely hr 676, and since goodness only knows what’s really going to come out of the conferencing anyway, i’m sticking with talking about the original single payer bill that i want — hr 676. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i figure that as things evolve, the message can too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good point. and since we <a href="http://www.correntewire.com/i_r_member_press" rel="nofollow">don’t know for sure</a> that it will be purely hr 676, and since goodness only knows what’s really going to come out of the conferencing anyway, i’m sticking with talking about the original single payer bill that i want — hr 676. </p>
<p>i figure that as things evolve, the message can too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/11/whipping-blue-dogs-on-single-payer/#comment-37402</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Depends.  They only reason they’d keep it off the floor that I can see is if they think the Republicans would vote for it just to fuck with everyone.  But that sort of blows their whole “anti-socialism/death panel” crap, so unlikely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Otherwise, why not?  It’s not going to pass.  Let it get to the floor.  No danger.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you’re looking for a way to leverage it onto the floor, however, it would be the same mechanisms.  Cosponors would have to band together to hold up something that leadership wants.  But it’s a lot of anxiety to go to for something that doesn’t have the votes, and I can’t see any member of Congress doing that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends.  They only reason they’d keep it off the floor that I can see is if they think the Republicans would vote for it just to fuck with everyone.  But that sort of blows their whole “anti-socialism/death panel” crap, so unlikely.</p>
<p>Otherwise, why not?  It’s not going to pass.  Let it get to the floor.  No danger.</p>
<p>If you’re looking for a way to leverage it onto the floor, however, it would be the same mechanisms.  Cosponors would have to band together to hold up something that leadership wants.  But it’s a lot of anxiety to go to for something that doesn’t have the votes, and I can’t see any member of Congress doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: sTiVo</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/11/whipping-blue-dogs-on-single-payer/#comment-37324</link>
		<dc:creator>sTiVo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t think such petitions will work.  They think most people will settle for what we finally get, and I’m not entirely sure they’re wrong about that.  In any case, it smells of negativity.  The effort level is just too high for the reward it promises.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am much happier with the fact that I’m seeing the HR676 and Public Option supporters working together instead of mutually recriminating.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t think such petitions will work.  They think most people will settle for what we finally get, and I’m not entirely sure they’re wrong about that.  In any case, it smells of negativity.  The effort level is just too high for the reward it promises.</p>
<p>I am much happier with the fact that I’m seeing the HR676 and Public Option supporters working together instead of mutually recriminating.</p>
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		<title>By: TarheelDem</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/11/whipping-blue-dogs-on-single-payer/#comment-37321</link>
		<dc:creator>TarheelDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another link reporting on a Broun Town Hall, this time from Clarkesville, GA.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/081209/new_480756985.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obamacare a ‘rotten fish,’ says Broun at town hall&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another link reporting on a Broun Town Hall, this time from Clarkesville, GA.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/081209/new_480756985.shtml" rel="nofollow">Obamacare a ‘rotten fish,’ says Broun at town hall</a></p>
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		<title>By: TarheelDem</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/11/whipping-blue-dogs-on-single-payer/#comment-37320</link>
		<dc:creator>TarheelDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s correct, but the amendment is to HR 3200 even though the substitute language is HR 676.  So it will come up in consideration of HR 3200.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s correct, but the amendment is to HR 3200 even though the substitute language is HR 676.  So it will come up in consideration of HR 3200.</p>
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		<title>By: marchan1940</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/11/whipping-blue-dogs-on-single-payer/#comment-37317</link>
		<dc:creator>marchan1940</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Got a great email from Rep. Mike Thompson, the blue dog on the Ways and Means Committee that voted for their version of HR 3200.  I don’t know if it was written especially as a statement I can share with the neuropathy community in his district, or was a general newsletter to his constituents, but one of the things that impressed me was the review of his long standing health care advocacy from his state senate days to his present role as our rep.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His doc doesn’t address some of my special concerns - like no particular/specific reference to the public option, much less HR 676 option, or the need to incorporate HR 2002 to provide for greater and easier access for IVIG treatments for neuropathy and other patients to correct for present legislation.  But his long legislative health care reform history and his specific concerns for which he’s worked as an active HWMC member were encouraging. I hope that any FDL readers in his district will thank him for his courageous actions and thus repudiating the other blue dogs who are fighting reform. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tonight I attended what was billed as a prayer vigil, but was actually an interfaith pep rally for health care reform &lt;strong&gt;now&lt;/strong&gt;. There was only one reference to HR 3200 and no references to HR 676, etc. The event at the federal court house building featured a big sign thanking Rep. Doris Matsui for her support for health care reform.   The speakers were clergy and lay persons, some of whom were old personal friends and colleagues, and some local political leaders who have long been present at SacACT political action gatherings. (SacACT stands for Sacramento Area Congregations Together, an interfaith org representing some 40 institutions in our area that have been working together for years on many issues, including health care, concerning socio-economic justice issues of concern to families. They’ve been quite successfully, I might add.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was a low-keyed, pleasant, and occasionally inspiring experience that was such a contrast to the televised town hall meetings.  Rep. Matsui was not present, but will be at one of the sponsoring churches later in the month.  The event was not publicized to the public and the hundred or more attending were mostly white, although hispanic and black congregations were represented and their clergy were featured speakers. Another of the speakers was a young high schooler recently diagnosed with Type I diabetes; she was  fairly newly enrolled in a state program (whose funds I think have been cut by the Schwarzenegger budget) and whose dad is also diabetic.  While he works 14 hours a day six days a week, he doesn’t make enough money to pay for insurance for the family, or his much needed meds. She worries about his life and potential death for lack of proper care. Youth speakers are common at SacACT events. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;SacACT is part of a national network of local community organizations (one might consider them a “conservative” ACORN org) and that network is doing a lot of local events and DC lobbying work for health care reform.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m glad to have been told about the event being provided the means to attend, and most of all being enlivened and encouraged to get back in to the process. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe there’s a SacACT type organization in your area that’s mobilizing the faith communities in your area to work for health care reform at the local, state and national levels.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Blessings,&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got a great email from Rep. Mike Thompson, the blue dog on the Ways and Means Committee that voted for their version of HR 3200.  I don’t know if it was written especially as a statement I can share with the neuropathy community in his district, or was a general newsletter to his constituents, but one of the things that impressed me was the review of his long standing health care advocacy from his state senate days to his present role as our rep.</p>
<p>His doc doesn’t address some of my special concerns &#8211; like no particular/specific reference to the public option, much less HR 676 option, or the need to incorporate HR 2002 to provide for greater and easier access for IVIG treatments for neuropathy and other patients to correct for present legislation.  But his long legislative health care reform history and his specific concerns for which he’s worked as an active HWMC member were encouraging. I hope that any FDL readers in his district will thank him for his courageous actions and thus repudiating the other blue dogs who are fighting reform. </p>
<p>Tonight I attended what was billed as a prayer vigil, but was actually an interfaith pep rally for health care reform <strong>now</strong>. There was only one reference to HR 3200 and no references to HR 676, etc. The event at the federal court house building featured a big sign thanking Rep. Doris Matsui for her support for health care reform.   The speakers were clergy and lay persons, some of whom were old personal friends and colleagues, and some local political leaders who have long been present at SacACT political action gatherings. (SacACT stands for Sacramento Area Congregations Together, an interfaith org representing some 40 institutions in our area that have been working together for years on many issues, including health care, concerning socio-economic justice issues of concern to families. They’ve been quite successfully, I might add.</p>
<p>It was a low-keyed, pleasant, and occasionally inspiring experience that was such a contrast to the televised town hall meetings.  Rep. Matsui was not present, but will be at one of the sponsoring churches later in the month.  The event was not publicized to the public and the hundred or more attending were mostly white, although hispanic and black congregations were represented and their clergy were featured speakers. Another of the speakers was a young high schooler recently diagnosed with Type I diabetes; she was  fairly newly enrolled in a state program (whose funds I think have been cut by the Schwarzenegger budget) and whose dad is also diabetic.  While he works 14 hours a day six days a week, he doesn’t make enough money to pay for insurance for the family, or his much needed meds. She worries about his life and potential death for lack of proper care. Youth speakers are common at SacACT events. </p>
<p>SacACT is part of a national network of local community organizations (one might consider them a “conservative” ACORN org) and that network is doing a lot of local events and DC lobbying work for health care reform.  </p>
<p>I’m glad to have been told about the event being provided the means to attend, and most of all being enlivened and encouraged to get back in to the process. </p>
<p>Maybe there’s a SacACT type organization in your area that’s mobilizing the faith communities in your area to work for health care reform at the local, state and national levels.  </p>
<p>Blessings,</p>
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		<title>By: smcclurk</title>
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		<dc:creator>smcclurk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, I want to know what you think about this. Why not ask everyone in a Blue Dog district or any Democrat district to sign a petition stating that they will just stay home in 2010 if their representative doesn’t support a true public option? Since we don’t have the dollars of the health insurance “industry” lets make these POS representatives and Senators remember that it’s votes that count! I don’t know how to pull this off but I think someone (especially you) knows how to.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, I want to know what you think about this. Why not ask everyone in a Blue Dog district or any Democrat district to sign a petition stating that they will just stay home in 2010 if their representative doesn’t support a true public option? Since we don’t have the dollars of the health insurance “industry” lets make these POS representatives and Senators remember that it’s votes that count! I don’t know how to pull this off but I think someone (especially you) knows how to.</p>
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		<title>By: hipparchia</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/11/whipping-blue-dogs-on-single-payer/#comment-37314</link>
		<dc:creator>hipparchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;howdy, neighbor! [well, form er neighbor, i guess. i used to live in the next district over from yours].&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>howdy, neighbor! [well, form er neighbor, i guess. i used to live in the next district over from yours].</p>
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		<title>By: hipparchia</title>
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		<dc:creator>hipparchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yes!!!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: hipparchia</title>
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		<dc:creator>hipparchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;will it be brought to the floor as hr 676?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i don’t actually know that right now, and have to admit that i was assuming weiner was planning to do the same thing he had planned in the e&amp;c committee: offering an amendment that would essentially substitute hr 676 for hr 3200. i’m going to have to make some phone calls tomorrow.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will it be brought to the floor as hr 676?</p>
<p>i don’t actually know that right now, and have to admit that i was assuming weiner was planning to do the same thing he had planned in the e&amp;c committee: offering an amendment that would essentially substitute hr 676 for hr 3200. i’m going to have to make some phone calls tomorrow.</p>
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