Johnny Isakson got kicked around by Rush Limbaugh after Obama cited his support for end of life counseling in refuting Sarah Palin’s "death panel" nonsense. He released an irate statement distancing himself:
Isakson vehemently opposes the House and Senate health care bills and he played no role in drafting language added to the House bill by House Democrats calling for the government to incentivize doctors by offering them money to conduct “end-of-life counseling” with Medicare patients every five years. Isakson also strongly opposed the House bill language calling for doctors to follow a government-mandated list of topics to discuss with patients during the counseling sessions.
By contrast, Isakson took a very different approach in July during the Senate HELP Committee hearings on the Senate version of the health care bill. Isakson’s amendment to the Senate bill says that anyone who participates in the long-term care benefit provided in the bill – if they so choose – may use that benefit to obtain assistance in formulating their own living will and durable power of attorney.
Isakson asserts that there’s a huge gulf between his "suggestions" and what the House bill says. But here he is in 2008 on the floor of the Senate:
I will talk about what we need to do in terms of Medicare eligibility. When somebody signs up for Medicare when they are 65 years old–you are supposed to go in 90 days before your 65th birthday; I am getting close, so I am looking at these things–I think you ought to be required to execute a durable power of attorney when you become eligible.
Eighty percent of the cost of health care to me, to you, and to anybody else happens in the last 60 days of life. More often than not, people are not in a condition to make a decision for themselves. Because of laws, and because we are a compassionate nation, the physician will keep you alive as long as he can. If you had a chance, you might rather say if I am being hydrated and given nutrition but will never become conscious again, I give the doctors the authority to make the appropriate medical decision. The money that would save is in the “gazillions” of dollars–if there is such a number. It would help us to manage that cost.
I wonder what Sarah Palin would say about "rationing care" like that.
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WHAT A DOUCHE!
I mean really. Does he think there is no such thing as the Internet?
Swear to God. That’s exactly what I was gonna say! I’m serious. Ya beat me to it.
Who pulled his leash?
I have to wonder what they are putting in the water or food in DC? How do so many people deny what they said last president, last year, last week? Total prevarication is the ticket for many. They expect their constituents are more stupid than dogs. They must know something.
That the TV will never replay what they have said, because they are partners with the government in everything
That the people can be lied to again and again and that is all that matters.
The local press will not publish the truth about what was said or done.
Aren’t we getting close to losing the freedom of our press and media? The Three Stooges carry a lot more respect, as they would tell you they are broke and need the money. The media tells you what you want to hear and none of it is true. Funny how this country has changed. No, not funny. Bizarre.
The screamers are projecting. Given half a chance, they’d ration health care for hippies.
My question is this: Why did Isakson even mention the cost? Making arrangements for end of life contingencies is humane. Who cares what money would be saved!
OT but not….
I understand there are US ads saying the NHS in the UK rations healthcare to the elderly. THIS IS A LIE.
What they have done is to extrapolate (and exaggerate) the criteria used by one independent body called NICE, to assess the availability of new unproven and of course expensive drugs as they come on the market. It was set up to try to find a scientific way to offset the marketing into the NHS, often using tame medics, of new drugs by the pharma companies (mostly American as it happens).
I hope you guys can use this to nail the lying liars and further your cause.
One of the great things about being British (there are some, really!)is not being afraid getting ill will bankrupt you.
The death panel controversy is one of these incredibly silly but successful ploys where Republicans frame an issue, even if the frame is insane. Democrats then like the rubes they are don’t reject the frame they buy into it and are left sputtering about how they really don’t want to kill old people. Instead they should be talking about the dishonesty of the Republicans, how they seek to trivialize even the most personal and painful family decisions for cheap political gain, how Republican policies have denied coverage to 50 million Americans and have left almost all the others just one unlucky event away from losing whatever healthcare coverage they have as well, and how this results in the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of Americans every year. Republicans get away with this because Democrats are hopeless and lack any leadership at all, and Republicans know this.
No, I think that they simply ignore what they said yesterday because they understand that the MSM will never check what they said before and the internet, despite the millions of us that use it, is still not the place where the majority of sheeple get their news. That is still the networks. Of course that being said, there is still a very sizeable percentage of people(adult citizens??) who never listen to or watch any news and never read a paper. How many watch American Idol vs all news programs? How many just pay attention to sports? We who pay attention to what is going on, not only here but around the world, are a small minority, the sheeple out number us, the oblivious never pay attention, but they also never vote. The MSM also understands this, which is why we get very little objective news about the world-except for disasters of course- and why what little news we do get is massaged with an inch of its life to ensure that the proper message is delivered
The correct response is that the Health Insurance Companies already run death panels, and we are trying to eliminate them.
Wait, this really doesn’t compute. isaakson wrote the incredibly helpful and noncontroversial language about end of life counseling and is now denying having anything to do with any HC bill?
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Like the old Norwegian has been tellin ya for low these many months: the facist Republicans are irrelevant in our politics particularly in healthcare and the economy. It is the Democrats that will determine whether or not we succeed in restorin’ democracy in this country and whether or not we survive as a contributing member of the community of nations. The SCOTUS will be a bigger force in opposing the restoration of democracy than the Republican Party and if we don’t stop usin up resources respondin’ to theatrics from the street thugs and realize that Obama and his administration have the political ammunition to put the fascists away if they put the heat on the Democrats, then we will lose and everyone including our frightened fascist brothers and sisters will be irrelevant to the rest of the world.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN AMMUNITION…OUT OF YOUR HOLES AND UP THE HILL!!!
My son tells me that his sometimes girlfriend in Ireland had to wait six months for a heart monitor. That’s just one incident that I heard about. Another was a 12 year old boy who had a sudden seizure was sent home to wait for (I can’t remember for sure, 3-6 months) for an MRI or CT scan. There are others I don’t have time to mention.
Jeez! Can no Republican keep telling the truth in the face of Limbaugh’s lies? Unbelievable.
Seconod, of course, is that it’s Republican lies that it’s Democrats whose concern for cost is at the root of the coverage for end-of-life discussions – so it turns out that the Republican author of the measure bases his speech about it on — cost.
Sad and infuriating.
Interesting, since every single time I’ve ever heard President Obama on his “bully pulpit” talk about this issue, he says that stuff. Consistently. And with gusto.
When people start complaining that the Dems and Obama “need to” start talking more clearly and forcefully about those points, they seem to not recognize that Obama especially has been doing that all along, and it’s the BigMedia filtering it out and pumping in shiny objects or misinformation instead. Man, talk about being a rube and falling into the trap. It’s the “Obama needs to…” chorus that’s singing the exact note BigMoney wants to hear, while Dem and Obama support begins to splinter right at the most crucial time. Divide and conquer, deja vu.
So, you’re basing your belief on the classic “friend of a friend of a friend” story – while chetnolian is a direct source – a British citizen who participates in NHS, and he is telling you that isn’t so.
Gee, now, which one is more credible?
gaddamn, man. You nailed it.
Hey, bonkers — great, great point. You can’t rely on what the “media” tells you happened, or didn’t happen. You have to be there or “watch the tape.”
This is of course why the failure of the media is the biggest reason our democracy is failing. IMHO, of course.
Citizen Ann in AZ:
These anecdotes show up everywhere in every healthcare system…if you want to see and hear stories about suffering and death due to lack of money to access healthcare, I could tell you stories but you shoul;d talk to my daughter who has spent the last 2 years teachin in an inner-city highschool right here in the heartland of democracy and the anus of progress. If you live in Arizona, you don’t hafta walk very far to find a neighborhood where literally hundreds are on the brink because of inadequate or non-existant healthcare. Don’t give me any horror stories from one of the poorest countries in the “civilized” world (Ireland)…we’re talkin about doin away with unnecessary suffering and death in the richest country in the fuckin world!
Couldn’t agree more. BigMedia reform should be the next on the list I think, since every other issue battle will be made easier if we have an actual Press. Truth has a Liberal bias after all, right?
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is now waiting for our viewing: “Didn’t We Just Have a National Referendum on Obama’s Health Care Plan Last November?”
Yep, I’m just hangin’ around waitin’ for the CEOs of GE, Disney, Viacom and Fox, particularly Murdoch, to see the light and start supporting issues that would put a big dent in their bottom line. *g*
Ta-da!
Exactly.
This is pretty astounding. Isakson’s position is MUCH closer to the “death panel” scenario than the innocuous provision to pay for voluntary end-of-life counseling that appears in the current Democratic proposal (and the ostensible source for so much stupid rhetoric). What Isakson says is that if you’re going to accept the government’s largesse, you must let somebody else decide when to pull the plug.
While many of us do that on our own (I have), there is so much wrong with putting a document like that in the hands of bureaucrats, in most cases many years before the person reaches an end-of-life situation when circumstances are very likely to have changed & a long-forgotten or estranged(or dead!) proxy may be given life-&-death power. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
Dear Ann:
I’ll see your “6 months for a heart monitor” and raise you a girl who tripped in a bar, her glass broke, slitting her throat and a major artery. The girl was gotten to the hospital in LESS THAN 20 MINUTES. She didn’t sit in triage or a waiting room, she was rushed immediately to surgery. She is alive today. Her cost? Nothing.
Or perhaps the man who had a heart attack in a department store, and had a crew on scene in less than 8 minutes, living to tell the story, and not losing his life savings to hospital and emergency care bills. His cost? Nothing.
These are all 2nd hand reports as well – I’ve spoken directly with the paramedics who handled the cases. All from England and Scotland -the UK.
Or maybe I should instead tell you about my mother – made to sit in a wheelchair for over 13 hours in a waiting room at the hospital because nobody could be bothered to even TRIAGE her – because she was an elderly woman with dementia. She came home without even seeing a doctor – and was billed several thousand dollars for the privilege of sitting surrounded by strangers in a waiting room. In Florida.
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Obviously it was the wrong day for Isakson to stop sniffing glue.
I’M NOT GONNA LET SENATOR JOHNNY ISAKSON’S DEATH PANEL KILL MISS SARAH’S BABY, MY DEAR OLD MOMMA OR ANY OTHER GOOD WHITE CHRISTIAN FOLKS (’CEPTING DEM ILLEGALS)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(ad nauseam)