Brett Vaughn, the documentarian I’ve been working with, arrived at the event about an hour early. We were the first in the parking lot, but not by much. Almost immediately cars began arriving. From the tailgate atmosphere that was quickly established, it was obvious that many of these people knew each other and had organized beforehand.
Before too long, the party had moved into the venue (a high school). I decided to mingle a bit and followed them inside. Almost immediately, I “came out” and identified myself as an Obama supporter there to document the event. A passionate discussion ensued and, man, I’ve got to tell you… these were not bad people. What came through in the conversations I had with them is that they are genuinely afraid of change. These are people that were raised in the 60s and 70s (or earlier). They remember “duck and cover” and the “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics” and those evil Cuban socialists pointing missiles at us… If you came of age in that time, you also witnessed Carter’s difficult (read “weak”… “malaise”…) presidency and Reagan’s bellicose speechifying that coincided with the beginnings of the collapse of the Soviet Union. After Vietnam, Reagan’s “proud and muscular” — and successful — America must’ve been cathartic. I’m hypothesizing here, but this was also the era that brought us Rush Limbaugh and a new generation of conservative talk radio. I’m thinking that an era was defined – millions of people became Republicans for life.
And that’s not mentioning the Southern Strategy and all the “welfare queens” and Willie Hortons that were manufactured in furtherance of Republican power-mongering.
So, what we’re left with is a huge number of seniors and baby-boomers that indisputably love their country — or at least their idea of what their country is and/or should be. Today, they see what is for them, a radical, radical departure. Remember, their political reality has been shaped by talk radio, the corporate media, and a lifetime of intellectual laziness.
Domestically, these folks made some trade-offs. In exchange for lower wages and fewer benefits, millions of families went from single-earners to both Mom and Dad competing in the rat race. In exchange for less time with their kids, these folks got to spend more time watching television and eating convenience foods. In exchange for taking a second job, this generation earned an entitlement to robotic singing fish, the clapper and waistline expanding extra value meals. And if that wasn’t enough, well… they could always watch our nifty new war machine on the TV in the comfort of their living-room recliner.
The point is that as a nation, Americans worked more, and turned away from more traditional pursuits like “citizenship”. Thirty-second television commercials told everything anyone needed to know about politics; who had time for politics or world affairs?
But that doesn’t translate into indifference to your country. Instead, we got superficial, bumper-sticker, brand-loyalty to the Red, White and Blue. And now we’re left fighting over politics like a bunch of soccer hooligans.
So anyway, back to Danville.
These folks were passionate about loving their country and not wanting to see it become a “socialist state”. They’ve been hyped up on fear – fear of the government killing seniors, rationing health care and, surprisingly, running the country into insurmountable debt. They are convinced the government fucks up everything it touches. They know in their hearts that if the government takes over health care, this country will cease to exist as they’ve known it all of their lives.
These folks were not the savvy lobbyists and Astroturf professionals that have been uncovered at other town halls. These were mostly white, mostly senior neighbors that had organized through email (similar to the way MoveOn has organized) because they are exercised about something that scares them.
The good news is that for all of their fear, they hadn’t given up on what binds us: our love for country and the American ideal of (relatively) civil debate.
Perriello arrived to the auditorium to a smattering of applause. This applause was quickly drowned out by about twice as many boos. Soon enough, everyone settled down and Perriello started taking questions.
Of the ten or so people that got to ask questions, only one that I remember was supportive of health care reform. Perriello answered each and every question by validating the questioners concerns and providing the best answer he could. His sincerity and decency was unmistakable.
At the end of the presentation, the crowd left with nothing but cheers. Not a catcall or boo was heard. Sure, many may have been silent, and some may have fumed that they could not change the Congressman’s mind, but… they seemed to have a new respect — a respect for Perriello that they hadn’t arrived with.
I chatted with a lot of the same people I spoke with before the town hall. I couldn’t find a person willing to say a bad word about the Congressman. Many still vehemently disagreed with his policies, but nobody I spoke with harbored animosity toward the man.





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Good for Perriello, I’m glad to see the change in the crowd. Not sure they can be won over, but engagement is still important.
The tactical plan of the corporate health industry is to use the right-wing noise machine to feed such decent people with false explanations of what is going on, thus mobilizing them very specifically to go into Congressional townhall meetings and go nuts, shutting down any chance of discussion of the actual health care bill. If the process succeeds, no one gets any information about what the health care plan does and does not do, and the media is satisfied because a circus atmosphere has created some “hot” footage of screaming people. At that point the ubiquitous right-wing pundits, spinners, and lobbyists who dominate television pick up the ball and run with it, lying and saying that this is a grassroots movement. If you bothered to listen to Limbaugh, Beck, etc. last week and then watched the extensive cable-news footage of the disruptors, the spoonfeeding is so apparent that it’s usually easy to distinguish which anguished, fear-driven citizen listens to or watches which particular right-wing propaganda show by the wording of their questions or assertions.
Thanks for the report MIke.
Obviously (to me) it seems that Periello has figured out that his constituents can deal with honesty.
Too bad so many of the Blue Dogs can’t see the same light.
Thanks for the report.
I wish someone could point out to me evidence that America isn’t doomed. But these people, screaming that they demand choice (which to them means being vulnerable to the profit margins of the only insurance providers in their area), their heads filled not just with lies but with ridiculous cartoony lies, are America. They’re the “masses” that vote for the politicians and buy the products that keep the top 1% in power. And they’ve been turned into wild-eyed lunatics who insist that the President of the United States of America wants to kill their grandma.
Excellent reporting. Thanks Mike.
Anyone ever read Revelations…I’m no bible thumper, but it behooves me to think that some sort of end-game is being played out.
So this means they ought to be qualifying for Medicare any day now.
We ought to be pointing out how well that little bit of “socialized medicine,” provided by the big, bad “government,” is working out.
Very, very nice read.
Thanks for posting this. And thanks for taking the time to be there and observe and report about this stuff.
I know a simple thank you doesn’t put food on your table or gas in your car, but I did want to thank you for this one.
I’ve been depressed as hell recently over the direction this thing is going, and this was a very refreshing read. Nice job.
I have a question.
If we get health care reform, what will it do for people who are on medicaid right now? Not medicare.
Hey Mike, nice report. You touch on so many different points. I think what you describe in so many different ways is the affect that TV and mass media has had on our citizenship. It’s cut off political discourse with each other and turned into passive reception from the radio and TV. We used to read newspapers that had much more detail in them, not perfect, but still, you can read what your neighbors think in an LOE.
Anyway, I think another person’s report in the good the bad and the ugly also pointed out that once we scrape away the thick, very thick layer of BS applied by Fox and Rushbo, there is still the very natural fear of change.
Did you swing by the Tank Museum?
That is so true. They are mostly good people whose passion is fueled by the white hot burning stupid of MSM.
Me too. I cannot believe some of the crazy stuff “respectable” people say on the TV. Like health reform is going to kill you, me and our grandparents and our babies. And I cannot believe other people really believe it!
don’t forget a big side order of greed.
The insurers are totally against any suggestion of competition yet they have set their rates to where 50 million Americans can not afford to pay the insurers charges . It is well known that the insurers make great profits by not paying claims after they have collected from the Americans that can afford to pay . Since CONGRESS has made it legal for insurers to not pay claims or to discriminate as to which Americans they will do business with , why doesn’t the insurers also offer lower rates to the 50 million low income uninsured Americans and not pay their claims also . $5.00/month X 50 million is still a lot of money some legally operating illegal business shouldn’t over look . If Americans are going to be gouged CONGRESS and the insurers should make it for all Americans . There are 40 million American government employees that have insurance paid for by the rest of us Americans to private insurers . The question is : If all of these employees were insured by Medicare would the government save money ?
We are all allowed one mistake or so however only morons aside from the filthy rich ever vote Republican. Morons…voters that can’t reason, think or they have undeveloped brains that make them easily swayed. I forgive these morons but they stand in the way of human progress and the social well being of everyone. I can’t easily forgive the greedy filthy rich.
I think that means they still have a ways to go before medicare. If you were born in 1960, you’re around 49 now and have another 15+ years for medicare.
‘cept if they were really greedy, they would be demanding Single Payer since it would save them so much money in insurance premiums. Oh, you meant the MSM is greedy.
Thanks for the report. But I think you give these people too much credit for being “nice”. Instead of thinking for themselves, they have let themselves become controlled by the fear-mongering of the right-wing.
The easiest way to control people is through fear. Why are you giving them a pass for that?
If it makes you feel better to demonize or dehumanize the “other” jam on, it’s all the same no matter who does it.
I’ve been saying that one on one civil engagement is the way to move things from fear of change to support or indifference to change.
Listen first to what they say they fear. Mirror, then subtly introduce some facts that bring down the fear.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Reform is supported almost 3:1. Participation at town halls, etc is probably 5-10% of local constituents. We can be there in numbers to listen, ask questions that help defuse the fears and to engage in one on one discussions.
There was a good slogan last year:
Yes we can!
We can get decent reform of health care that includes a public option. I’ll be doing the above tomorrow at Sam Farr’s town hall in Santa Cruz. I’ve already been passing out the Energy and Commerce committee fact sheet for my congressional district and engaging with people on facebook, etc to talk them down.
What? That is what they were saying in 450 A.D. or so when Rome was falling.
It ain’t end times, except for racism as a viable belief system.
First off, excellent post. It gives me hope.
Following in your line of thought about how the quality of life for the average American has been severely cheapened over the past generation or two, I think there may be a personal resonance there for many of the attendees, in the sense that anyone who is in a truly-screwed-the-pooch posture in terms of their own personal finances, and therefore dependent (or likely to become dependent) on the USG to financially caretake them, is likely to have an exaggerated sensitivity to unmanageable debt per se. Now, I might argue that that would denote a failure to discern the differences between proper personal/family finance principles vs. proper national finance principles, but then again that’s unlikely to reduce that deep-in-the-gut fear of falling for those folks.
P.S. Teensy copyedit suggestion: Para 3: “I’m hypothesizing hear” looks like it wants to be ‘here’.
The future’s uncertain
and the end is always near
the doors
roadhouse blues
let it roll
Or for you real pessimists
Blood in the streets in the town of new haven
Blood stains the roofs and the palm trees of venice
Blood in my love in the terrible summer
Bloody red sun of phantastic l.a.
Blood streams her brain as they chop off her fingers
Blood will be born in the birth of a nation
Blood is the rose of mysterious union
Fear shuts down the learning process and forces and organism into the fight or flight response. It’s just not possible to effectively learn when you think that someone is trying to kill you and your family.
The R’s know that and use it to their advantage.
I had a not dissimmilar experience when I went to Ed Perlmutter’s townhall on saturday
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7070
Tom Perriello is a gem. I hope he has a long future in the Democratic party and American politics. Every time I see him on teevee (Rachel’s featured him lately) I thank my lucky stars that Blue America pointed me his way.
I know his part of Virginia, too, and Tom seems to be winning people over, one voter at a time. People are learning to love his style; let’s hope they realize what a vast improvement he is over Virgil Goode.
No, I’m afraid you’re wrong.
To quote the Doors once again…”This is the END.”
The stupid burns. Here is a quote from an Investor’s Business Daily editorial, comparing the inferior British health care system to our own:
“People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.”
Do you suppose it’s because his voice synthesizer doesn’t have a British accent?
I’d be interested in knowing how many of the anti-”socialist” protesters against government healthcare were over 65. Do they really not understand that Medicare and Social Security are government programs — and extremely successful and well-run government programs at that?
I think Obama made a terrible mistake in leaving it up to Congress to come up with a universal healthcare plan (which is actually a universal health insurance plan). With five committees putting together their own bills and then trying to combine them all in a bloated, health-insurance-company-friendly package, he provided the nutjobs and their enablers with a fat target that cannot be explained properly because nobody really knows what will be in the final package.
Obama’s advisers should have created a simple universal “single-payer plan” but called it “Medicare for Everyone”. As it is, the Congress has created a formless monster that no one likes and that cannot be intelligently defended at this point, mainly because nobody really knows what it will look like once Congress gets finished with it — though we know from what we’ve seen so far that it will be stuffed with expensive goodies to buy off the private healthcare industry.
Lyndon Johnson managed to have the original Medicare system passed by Congress and up-and-running within eleven months of announcing his suggested legislation in 1965. “Medicare For All” could be done within the same time frame, if only Obama had the courage, vision, and legislative smarts of LBJ — and unlike the bloated scheme Congress (with Obama’s blessing) will come up with, “Medicare For All” would be easy to explain, defend, and put into action.
Outstanding report, Mike. That pretty much squares with what I’m seeing locally.
These folks often stayed in places like Danville because they did not want to leave family and friends to seek better opportunities. And the older folks have seen the 30-year decimation of the textile industry; Danville used to be the home and headquarters of Dan River Mills back in the day–bedsheets and drapery fabrics. Those jobs went offshore early. There have been some new jobs coming in but this recession has devastated Danville just like it has a lot of other places. Folks from Danville commute to Greensboro, Winston-Salem, and Raleigh/Durham, which for this area is a long commute.
Watching from the other side of the state line, I have been pleased with how Tom Perriello has handled himself. In this meeting he played the old Jesse Helms card–”You might not agree with me, but at least you know where I stand.” From a Democrat, that has been refreshing, as it broadens the support without necessarily losing support on single issues.
Yea, just like that fucking moron Paul Broun said, “The Canadians don’t respect life like we do”. Idiots
I read the diary about that over at Big Orange this morning. It was LOL funny.
There is, I suppose, some possibility that Obama is giving Congress a bite at the apple, and if they fail to produce a viable plan, then the Administration will step up to the plate with a better option and whip their majority to pass it. That would certainly carry significant political cost, but the long term benefit to Americans could be worth it. And if — big if, I realize — the economy continues to recover, it would be easier to get done. And if H1N1 is bad — also a big if — that would help too.
Just a few months ago, there was discussion about making Michael Pollan food czar. Today, Andrew Weil is bitching that the health aspect of the healthcare discussion has gone missing, and Sara Robinson is announcing that an Age of Fascism has arrived in the US. Whatever the healthcare debate is about at the moment isn’t a viable healthcare system — we could flatly adopt the Finnish model, cut the cost of covering everybody by 40%, and improve outcomes. And we could do it in five years. What you see instead are expressions of provincial angst, fear, and strong evidence of the venality of our political class.
I’m going to the Perriello town hall tomorrow in Charlottesville, VA. i will report back. Expecting the tea party morons to how up but we have a plan. I think. We’ll see.
i take huge issue with their idea of what this country is/or should be. they had their turn to fcuk things up and they did it royally by voting for people like reagan and the two bushes, and all the assorted GOPranos who have endorsed nothing but loot and plunder.
if they really did “love their country”, they would pay attention to facts, which are freely disseminated in the internet age, not just listen to the hate-mongering talk show radio hosts or puppets on faux.
heck, i’m from india and all my friends and relatives there know more about health care in the u.s. and its state than these “republicans who love their country”. the latter CHOOSE to buy into the lies and hysteria and they CHOOSE to screw the rest of us by voting for people who don’t have their interests at heart time and again.
it’s high time they faded into irrelevance.
In the House bill, Medicaid rates to providers are raised incrementally until they are the same level as Medicare rates in 2013. The lawmakers are doing this to improve the quality of care for poor persons. In addition, there is a provision to make Medicaid available to more folks up to 133% of the Federal Poverty Limit in income. (FPL) Those persons eligible for Medicaid will not pay a premium as their premiums will be subsidized. That’s just a plan so don’t hold me to it. Who knows what the final bill will be like!
Interesting report, Mike, although I have to say that I find your seat-of-the-pants analysis of the politics/economics of the crowd to be condescending, if not insulting. Just because people live in a rural area of Virginia does not make them automatically stupid.
I just got back from the laundramat where I met the fear, lies and stupid head-on. The woman kept saying “Well I read the printed-up sheet about it, did YOU?” “It can be printed up all nice but if it’s saying your friend can’t get treatment for her cerebral palsy child, it’s lies. And the health insurance companies are behind it.” “Well I’m going to bring the printed-up sheet tomorrow…” Ya you do that. Jesus.
Oh and she said it was going to take everyone’s Medicare. I told her that wasn’t accurate and she said “Well you can have your own opinion but i have mine.” But she’s got her own facts too is the problem…
I guess I am just “meaner” than you. I am of the age you spoke — smack dab in the middle of the Baby Boomers — born in 1953. These people are MY AGE. And they have VERY little to whine about. The ones who really have problems are those in their 20s and early 30s today. (My children)
I get super pissed at these lazy clods you described here. Who cares if they weren’t an angry mob when they left the Town Hall? If they still didn’t believe him, what’s the difference? Are they brain dead? Did they think he was “polite” yet lying? I would bet my entire income check on the thought that they did. Yes, yes, I lived through all they did. I am not a genius. Why am *I* able to sift through this right-wing crap, yet they can’t? I’ll tell you why — I am not SELFISH. They are. And guess what? NOTHING will satisfy them — they want everything THEY want, the hell with everyone else. And I know I am correct.
There is certainly a vein running through all this of “don’t create any new government benefits — ’cause I’ll need some in a minute myself, and there just can’t be enough for everyone.” And with zero questioning of the self-privilege inherent in that position. Ironically, these are very likely the exact same people complaining loudest about entitlements…
I guess I’m experiencing the flip-side — hope for change / what could be worse than the road we’ve been on? After 6 years of NO health insurance, I’m eager to see what kind of “public option” we can get.
NOTE: having lots of success heading-off rants on “socialized medicine” among my neighbors, by observing that “yep. gummint-provided healthcare is gonna put all the private insurers outta biz, just like the postal service has destroyed UPS and FedX. Right?” cue crickets!
There is no — read: 0 — reason why this country should not provide health care for ALL Americans. And I mean ALL. Not 75%, not 90% — ALL of them.
Forget everything else — the “best” country in the history of time (politicians love to say this) can’t make sure all their citizens have health care?
Who f-ing cares if you have to pay for your own face lift? Who f-ing cares if you have to wait 6 months for a non-emergency surgery? It is astonishing how many selfish Americans want what they want NOW, even at the expense of someone else’s life? I don’t remember when this started, but it has to stop. NOW.
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It started with Ronald Reagan and his whole “welfare queens are stealing your tax dollars.”
I.e., tax dollars only go to bad things, so we should just lower taxes and let you keep “your” money.
“The government IS the problem.”
Medicaid is being expanded to include more people and the idea is to provide a subsidy to get insurance. I don’t recall whether it specifies in the bill whether that has to be the public option. I don’t think it does. The main idea is just that everyone should get insurance and that the poorer among us get a Medicaid subsidy to buy insurance.
I don’t know whether that means the subsidy is a separate thing on top of (added to) what is currently received or if it just means that more people would be eligible to receive assistance.
In the case of postage delivery the USPS existed BEFORE the private firms. They STILL started up and have done well. Of course it’s not identical to the health care insurance situation because the USPS delivers all kinds of things and the private firms mostly deliver packages.
We have all had a lesson in government thanks to President Obama . Over the past 6 months he has shown us how Washington works and who pulls the strings . He hasn’t pointed at any thing in particular but he has pushed a few buttons that spot lighted some hidden areas . The degree to which the lobbyist control our government lately has been a revelation . Also their ability to control the thinking of many Americans . The real wakeup call is that many Americans do not investigate beyond what they hear on the radio or via TV .
Do they really not understand that Medicare and Social Security are government programs
A few don’t.
Similarly, Zaid Jilani at Think Progress found this nugget in a WaPo article:
In other pockets of the state, the reaction to Democratic proposals has been strong, too. At a recent town-hall meeting in suburban Simpsonville, a man stood up and told Rep. Robert Inglis (R-S.C.) to “keep your government hands off my Medicare.”
“I had to politely explain that, ‘Actually, sir, your health care is being provided by the government,’ ” Inglis recalled. “But he wasn’t having any of it.”
Hannity and Limbaugh will repeat that IBD agit-prop and many of their listeners will take it as a solid fact.
I hate to throw a wet-rag on the love fest. Yes, Mr. Perriello was extremely cool under pressure this weekend. But he has backtracked on his campaign pledge to help Congress pass meaningful and progressive health care reform. I understand as a resident of SWVA that Mr. Perriello must walk a fine line. He joined the NRA is asking Mr. Obama not to reauthorize the assault weapons ban and voted against the President’s budget which provided immediate funding for alternative energy, etc. This weekend he told a crowd in Bedford, Virginia, that he is “leaning against voting for” the Obama/House health care measures.
If you don’t mind the link in this comment thread, please check out what is really going on in SWVA:
http://starcityharbinger.com/2…..alth-care/