Public condemnation of bully tactics works.
I love Long Island, the fact that we live on an island and it seems like we only have 2 degrees of separation from each other instead of the usual 6 degrees.
I love Long Islanders, and I really loved them today. As I am typing this, I am sitting in the car about 20 feet away from a big health care rally. Both sides, or should I say all sides of the question are here, wearing goofy hats and carrying signs. There is even a guy playing the bagpipes.
Yes We Can LI sponsored a "honk if you want health care reform" rally at the corner of Jericho Turnpike and Route 110 on the Suffolk side of the Nassau/Suffolk border. The Teabaggers showed up, in force.
I was actually a bit apprehensive as I drove to this event expecting to see the two sides on opposite sides of the street, bitterly hostile to each other and perhaps inclined toward violence, what I actually found instead renewed my hope about how we islanders treat each other.
I saw people from Suffolk County 9-12 (a right of center group that wants to maintain the spirit of patriotism that existed in the day after 9-11) standing next to people from Planned Parenthood, who were standing next to people from the Conservative Society for Action standing next to people from the Long Island Coalition for a National Health Plan. People were all mingled together, instead of huddled in their own groups. Similar comingling and civility happened elsewhere today.
More to the point, I saw them actually talking TO each other, not AT each other. They were not just talking about health care. I overheard a conversation about Walt Whitman’s poetry collection "Leaves of Grass" (we were near the Walt Whitman Mall).
Think about that, two people each carrying signs at opposite ends of the health care debate spectrum, stopped in the middle of all the noise to discuss poems written by a transcendentalist "free lover" and fellow Long Islander. THAT’s the America I want to live in.
There were also teabaggers comparing notes about car models that qualified for the "cash for clunkers" trade-in that they intended to participate in. I know which side the people in that conversation were on, because they were wearing the red shirts that the LI teabaggers have chosen for identification.
As I was filming, standing in the busy street, people from both sides kept watch for coming cars, worried that some harm might come to me.
This is not the story I thought I would be writing when I got up this morning. I thought I was going to be writing a story about how things were getting increasingly uglier. But I think the reverse is true. The Tim Bishop on June 27th Town Hall event totally followed the game plan memo sent out by Dick Armey’s flying monkeys. It was disgraceful.
The Bellmore train station Gazebo was less confrontational. In fact, the only really really crazy vicious stuff came from Pam Geller. The other two teabag speakers, said things I disagree with and spewed a ton of disinformation, but they also acknowledged the need for health care reform and expressed a sincere love of country.
At today’s event, people are shouting their slogans "hands off health care" and "health care for all," but other than that — and a guy from some veteran’s group who called me a commie when he found out I was from FDL — people have been more respectful that I expected; and the longer they are out here in the sun, the more they seem to be engaging with one another and connecting on the things they have in common — rather than the things that divide them.
I’m not suggesting this is a love fest; it’s not, far from it. But I am seeing these protests de-escalating in venom and increasing in shared humanity. It seems that the Dick Armey’s manufactured Astroturf venom is losing its potency as we Islanders are reminded what very close neighbors we all are.




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Hi Cynthia. What a very nice post and thank you for sharing this event here. I hope you will post some footage soon. I find it so encouraging when people can actually talk to each other (and listen to each other!) even if they disagree. That’s great stuff.
Am I right in thinking that you have referenced three events? I do not know LI geography at all.
Today – Jericho Turnpike and Route 110 on the Suffolk side
June 27th – Tim Bishop Town Hall event of the Nassau/Suffolk border
The Bellmore train station Gazebo – was this a different event or the same as today’s event? Just wondering.
Thank you.
Very surprising report. Thanks for going.
The Dick Armey: “Curses, foiled again!”
Thanks for this hopeful post. Maybe people are seeing themselves on YouTube and TV and realizing how ugly and hateful they look and sound. Some of the oldsters especially might really feel embarrassed.
No one could have anticipated . . .
We agree on more things than we disagree.
Let’s focus on the things we agree on that need work.
The things we disagree on, let’s set aside for this moment. We can agree we disagree.
Or is it y’all against you’se guys?
Three events, 1) June 27 Tim Bishop out in Setauket,
2) last weeek Merrick Train station (not Bellmore)
3) today route 110 which is on the border of Nassau and Suffolk, actually it’s on the suffolk side of the border
THIS is good! When we ALL, as Americans with a common history REALIZE that the enemy is NOT each other, it’s common and it is the corporations, the world will stand with all of us and we can purge our way of life and save other lives in the purge.
THIS IS GOOD! I have learned, seen and firmly believe there is not one force in this world who can stand successfully against UNITED AMERICANS.
GOOD on you!, Cynthia, for going and recording what will likely be a natural shift in the energy of this “health care fight”. Pity the corporate powers when everyone figures out WHO exactly is the “enemy” in this confrontation!
YUP! when people get educated about why all Americans must have good Health care they want to get the “Profit” out of the system. I mean why should anyone profit from some one else suffering?? That is the real crux of the problem with the current system of Health Care for “Profit”
I was very surprised after that crazy twitter guy telling peole to bring guns, I thought that things were spiralling out of control.
But Peterr also had a post up that invovled a comingling of both sides in the crowd and everybody acting like sane human beings. I linked to it in my post.
I will also have additional reporting on this “sane citizens” phenomenon.
The Amrican people, the real people who moe the lawns and do the laundry and the grocery shopping, regualr folks? Are much better than lobbyists and media types give us credit for.
The TeeVee news only want to show the crazies. Well there were tons of people out ther today, and they all managed to chant their sloggans and waive their signs without being idiots.
Folks inthe DC could learn a lot from the folks back home.
Ever since the 50 State Strategy began, the Gopers have gotten caught in the trap of peaking too early. I call it sprinting in a marathon. They come on loud and strong only to fade in the stretch like the New York Mets.
But as with romance, even the hottest flame eventually spends its fuel, and most of those tea bag folks don’t realize that Viagra is NOT indicated for onanism.
So Dick Army and his dick army appear to be slowing down? Hope you’re right…
Its not only profit. It includes the high administration cost of “claims,” the “fee for procedure” payments and the exorbitant cost of a Medical Degree.
This change threatens the mantra “the free marker solves all problems” and threatens this dogma.
Health care reform is a threat to the religion of the right.
I really think that is a huge part of it. There has been a lot of public condemnation of this, even from Trad Media type swho usually fan this kind of crap– cuase if it bleeds it leads– and I think folks are not willing to be shock troops.
They want real honest to gosh reform and they are trying to get the terms of that reform to mesh with their own values. Which is how it’s supposed to be.
Just because we don’t agree with each other, does not mean we can’t listen to each other. Sometimes you opponent has a good idea you might want to
co-opt. ;-)
I don’t want to give the wrong impression. This was not kubay or consensus, by any maens. The two sides are very far apart on the specifics of health care reform–very far apart.
But, it was the acting like neighbors instead of hostile armies part that gives me hope.
There were no demons out there today, just people who had a policy disagreemetn an were expressing their opinions to each other and to passers by
That’s Kumbya
The two groups would not be far apart if the proposal was HR 676, Medicare for all.
Medicare for all is easy to understand.
It’s the complexity in a 1,000 page bill that’s unsellable. Complexity leads to not understanding and fear of loss.
Unknown fear of loss because of the bill is the motivator here. Remove the fear of loss and we’d see unanimity quickly.
From a sales, and sales psychology point of view, this bill, HR3200, is consumer unfriendly at best, and mind-bogglingly stupid at worse.
I don’t know if it was case of peaking to fast. Ithink these orgaonizatios got the DickArmy memo and started out doing htese Town Hall disruptions adn then they saw the footage on TV and realized how ugly and undemocratic it seemed.
We all know that iconic Saturday Evening Post cover called the “Town Hall Meeting” where a nervous looking youngish man in workingman’s clothes, with a newspaer sticking out of his pocket is saying soemthing that his better dresses audiance seems to disagree with, but they let him speak his piece. This is the essence of disagreement and dissent in a democratic society.
We must be able to hear things we don’t agree with, without –as one f my teenagers would say–without flipping a shit.
How True How True!! And why? They are the party of big money and surely don’t want to lose their CASH COW! They could Care less about the individual… “Hell Let them Die”. One less poor person who might want their money!!
One of the things I have found distirbing in some of the town hall footage I have seen, is how many of these protestors, elderly protestors, do not seem to realize that Medicare is a government run health insurance program.
Agree completely. I have always had a feeling that Congress made bills deliberately complex to make sure the public didn’t understand. I guess that gives away the fact that I am wearing my tinfoil hat.
For a legislative point of view HR 3200 may be correct. I’m not qualified to comment.
From a sales & markeing point of view, HR 3200 is unsellable. It’s a turd in the public punchbowl.
A little Education of the Elderly would go a long way. But of course the Right is telling them they will lose benefits… More lies!
Thanks for the report, Cynthia. It’s great to read about neighbors disagreeing without being disagreeable. I only hope other meetings will go so smoothly and without incident.
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Norma Rockwell’s four freedoms is here
thanks!! and great job!
I’m sorry I can’t remember where I saw the vid (I think on youtube) of an AARP event where the speaker got harangued by angry folks. It didn’t go very well and the AARP speaker gave up and left. I’ll try to find the link.
Because they fear loss of part or all of Medicare.
The elderly know they’d be screwed if they had to buy Medical Insurance. They’d be paupers or dead within months.
Obama did a brilliant job of selling himself. He’s doing a piss poor job of leading the sale of Health Care Reform.
This is the same kind of behavior I saw today at a health care event in NE Austin, where Lloyd Doggett was present. The crowd was very heavily progressive and Obama tshirts were everywhere, but the opposition commingled and I only saw a couple people being ugly or creepy. That being said, we were there for an hour but had to leave before Lloyd spoke. John Cornyn had told the Austin American Statesman that he planned to attend but I don’t know if he showed.
You can always depend on Cornyn to do something really tacky. What a loser.
OT: I’m trying to find Hugh’s article on the Seminal from yesterday. It doesn’t appear in the right hand margin or anywhere I can find on the Seminal page. Does anyone have any advice on how I’d go about finding it? Thanks.
Here it is. An AARP event on August 4 in Dallas. Warning: many comments are very rude. Posted by a teabagger. but some commenters try to point out what we already know. see for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoMNDdQ1_h0
too much money for the have mores to let health care reform do much reforming
if they were not smarter than than the have nots in business and politics they would not be the have mores
it will be watered down and even give the have mores more
not until over 50% of americans cannot afford health insurance or are considered with existing conditions and cant get insurance will real health care reform occur.
500 thousand a year going bankrupt over medical costs does not faze most folks as long as they have insurance paid for by their companies.
this is the america I live in
maybe I should live in long island :-)
You can do a search on FDL or sometimes you can click on the Seminal tab at the top of this page and then “page back” on the list of posts down at the bottom. HTH.
Jane is upstairs!
Teabaggers Bring Guns To Cohen Health Care Event
This so cool and since violence has already happened and these events are happening nationally the GOP can’t send in one ringer with a gun. People have become more peaceful after violence started to happen. The GOP would need several shooters all acting on the same day to avoid increased security and or shut downs to have the desired effect.
The GOP would think of it with as little thought as sending strike breakers with guns to a coal mine 100 years ago and then saying the workers fired first.
I’m not trying to bring anyone down quite the opposite because we have tons of Townhalls going on and one ringer with a gun won’t do it. Several Ringers with guns means even the FBI can’t ignore it. Even Glen Beck will have to back pedal. The GOP moneymen behind the tea baggers will be looked.
Unfortunately, there was escalation in Memphis, see jane’s post upstairs. People brought guns to Steve Cohen’s event.
How depressing
Thanks dosido had to run BUT I am back!!
Boy what a bunch of I have mine and fuck the rest of ya people. Sure is typical of the right in this country….
They turned the guns in at the door I find that good.
These works were the best of Rockwell’s career. Like all great artworks, they evoke strong, true emotions in their most basic form. I had the honor of placing many of the “Four Freedoms” signed prints with clients over the years.
They are more important today than they have ever been.
most of the rallies and the people at them are civil
everyone on both sides are guilty of name calling
and not willing to listen to opinions of others
Right. Because if the shouters are not engaged with, they stifle any conversation.
And if they are engaged in like fashion, teh Goopers who wrangled them get the food-fight they want, further clouding the issues.