average Joe who hasn’t been paying attention, just working, living his life, suddenly he is compelled to pay a profit maximizing corporation $xxxx per month for a crappy policy – dude is going to be so mad he’ll be seeing red, and whatever political faction that did that to him will be hated forever.

that would be the Democrats – good job guys!

My understanding is the answer is “yes,” and if a person makes more than $31,200 per year, they will be required by law to pay approximately $1,000 per month for health insurance and they will be penalized if they don’t.

If this is true, there will be widespread noncompliance because that is impossible and we’ll still have at least 20 million uninsured. Double or triple that number, if the economy is still in the tank.

They wanted to convert homecare from government operated, to for profit.

For all of the obvious reasons, the privately operated outfits were unable to compete with the government operated service.

At least our government (conservative at the time) was honest, admitted that government provided service was better, and ditched the attempt.

Re – the fear of government operated services:

I am amazed when I hear of people in the upper midwest going for weeks in sub zero temperatures, with no electricity; the privately operated suppliers do not have enough staff, or equipment to do a reasonable job.

In the Province of Manitoba our Government owned electrical utility does a splendid job. the service is rarely out for more than a few hours. which only makes common sense, since the temperatures in winter are often well below freezing. The rates are low, and the company makes a profit.

Brainwashed down there.

Dogs in packs can kill wantonly…

Mr. DODD. […] Before my colleagues depart, let me say this: Let’s come back to work here in September, come back ready to offer our thoughts and suggestions and constructive criticism. We are going to pass a bill this fall, and we are going to do it with the help of any Senator willing to contribute and be a part of the solution. But we are not going to continue to wait for the sake of waiting until the politics get right.

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The demagogues out there, chirping away about government-run health care or socialized medicine–that is baloney from top to bottom, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves. In a nation as strong as we are, we place this many insured people at risk because we do not have the courage to stand up and do what needs to be done.

In our proposal we have crafted, we spent a lot of time working at it to provide relief and support on wellness and prevention and quality of care and to bring those costs down to the point I have described here this evening. Again, there may be other ideas and other ways of doing this. We think we have done a good job with our bill. But I wanted people across the country to know there are ideas out there.

There were 23 of us who worked on that bill. We spent 5 weeks, 60 hours, 23 sessions–the longest markup of a bill in the history of that committee and, we are told by some, maybe the longest markup in the history of the Senate on a single bill. We had 800 amendments filed, and 300 were actually considered. Some 160 amendments of my friends on the Republican side were agreed to and included in our bill, making it a better bill and a stronger bill. I welcomed their participation. But here we are, 3 weeks later, still stymied, unable to come together and shape a bill that would provide the relief so many people seek in our country.

I thank my colleagues for their efforts, particularly grateful to Senator Harkin, who did a terrific job on the prevention parts of our bill; Senator Mikulski, who wrote the quality provisions; Senator JEFF BINGAMAN, who worked on coverage issues; Senator Patty Murray, who worked on the workforce issues in the bill; and people such as Senator SHELDON WHITEHOUSE of Rhode Island, who joined our committee and did a fabulous job with Kay Hagan, our new colleague from North Carolina, along with SHERROD BROWN of Ohio, to shape the public option that is included in our bill, which I am certain my friend from Rhode Island may describe in some detail this evening about what we have done. This was so creative that the Blue Dogs on the House side adopted our proposal on the public option as part of the House-passed bill. Of course, Jack Reed and BERNIE SANDERS, as well as Jeff Merkley on our committee and BOB CASEY did a great job in helping us shape the legislation. I thank all of the members of the committee.

I thank Mike Enzi, my colleague from Wyoming, the ranking Republican member, along with his colleagues on the Republican side. They did not vote for the bill in the end. I regret that. But they made contributions that made it a stronger and better bill.

But let’s come back in September and get the job done. […]

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Mr. KAUFMAN. Madam President, the White House, the Congress, and the American people are engaged in a stark debate over our Nation’s health care insurance system. A lot is at stake.

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So let us carefully review the potential plans. We have a plan being developed by the House of Representatives, we have a plan from the Senate HELP Committee, and a plan from the Finance Committee, we have the bipartisan Wyden-Bennett plan, and then we have a plan I am going to spend a lot of time talking about, and that is the PHS plan.

In listening to my colleagues speak on the floor of the Senate, on television, talk radio, in newspapers, and in private meetings, one thing is clear:

They think the plan we end up with will be the PHS plan. They think a combination of those who want no health care reform and those who like none of the proposed plans will combine to kill all other plans. So what is the PHS plan? Our present health care system.

Let’s look at what will happen to average Americans if we keep our present health care system.

First, Americans’ health care insurance costs will explode–and that is not an overstatement–explode. The average family in America can look forward to premium costs for their health insurance of more than $24,000 a year by 2016. That is an 83-percent increase over the cost in 2008. In my home State of Delaware, the costs will be even higher, with the average premium for family coverage approaching $29,000. At that amount, more than half of Delaware families would each have to spend half of their income on health insurance. This means families will be forced to either go without insurance or to buy less coverage and put their life savings at risk.

Second, personal bankruptcies for medical costs will soar. Today, bankruptcies involving medical bills account for more than 60 percent of U.S. personal bankruptcies, a rate 1 1/2 times that of just 6 years ago. Going forward under PHS, we can expect more families in bankruptcy.

Third, insured Americans will keep paying a hidden tax to help pay for care for the uninsured. Under the PHS plan, doctors and hospitals will charge insurers even greater amounts to recoup the costs to provide services to the uninsured. Today, this hidden tax is estimated to be $1,100 per family per year. Under the PHS plan, it will most assuredly go up, raising the cost of health care for all Americans.

Fourth, Americans will continue to be denied coverage if they have preexisting conditions. […]

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I don’t like myth except as a sideline. Myth is not something to base one’s life upon. It is as simple as that.

By the by, the most effective elements amongst the Jews of Germany under the Nazis were NOT those who passively went into death – it was those who revolted that had the bigger impacts and did the most harm. Gandhi was rightly and strongly criticized for advocating passive resistance and quiet entry to death by Jews under the Nazis. Those that did that made the job of the Nazis that much easier, that is all they did. Gandhi wasn’t to great vis a vis S. Africa either (he proclaimed that S. Africa should remain white ruled).

Basically, the main reason the Brits bailed on India was the disloyalty of the Indian army and navy. Gandhi, for all the effuse mythology, had minimal impact.