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	<title>Comments on: Members of Congress Spiked FDL&#8217;s Health Care Funding &#8212; Need Your Help</title>
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		<title>By: johnsturgeon</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/06/we-got-our-funding-cut-need-your-help/#comment-36440</link>
		<dc:creator>johnsturgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;phred:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m not actually interested in who (well, I am, but I see Jane’s point)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t see Jane’s point.  Because as alank noted:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this tangled web of anonymous moneybags, she can’t even out those who stab her in the back or renege. Such a move would dry up this source of funding, completely. The paradigm is flawed and requires system re-engineering.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If she’s in so deep she’s muzzled; or so dependent on insider cash she can’t call out Democratic Members of Congress that stab FDL in the back and stab health care reform in the back — then there’s a problem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But here we are, askin’ for cash, because FDL’s traditional, standard tactics miffed a few Congress-folk and that lovely money’s suddenly and inexplicably gone.  Whoooda guessed?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pretty soon Mike Stark will disappear from the pages of history, and no one will acknowledge he ever existed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phred:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m not actually interested in who (well, I am, but I see Jane’s point)</p>
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<p>I don’t see Jane’s point.  Because as alank noted:</p>
<blockquote><p>In this tangled web of anonymous moneybags, she can’t even out those who stab her in the back or renege. Such a move would dry up this source of funding, completely. The paradigm is flawed and requires system re-engineering.</p>
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<p>If she’s in so deep she’s muzzled; or so dependent on insider cash she can’t call out Democratic Members of Congress that stab FDL in the back and stab health care reform in the back — then there’s a problem.</p>
<p>But here we are, askin’ for cash, because FDL’s traditional, standard tactics miffed a few Congress-folk and that lovely money’s suddenly and inexplicably gone.  Whoooda guessed?  </p>
<p>Pretty soon Mike Stark will disappear from the pages of history, and no one will acknowledge he ever existed.</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/06/we-got-our-funding-cut-need-your-help/#comment-36385</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not actually interested in who (well, I am, but I see Jane’s point), but I remain puzzled about the &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; did the congresscritters know who to complain to?  Was the funding cut-off due to a general appeal to funding sources to knock off embarrassing people or was it specific?  If it was specific, then the question remains how members of Congress learned the identity of a private source.  I think it is important to understand the distinction so that we are able to protect our funding sources from this kind of pressure in the future.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not actually interested in who (well, I am, but I see Jane’s point), but I remain puzzled about the <em>how</em> did the congresscritters know who to complain to?  Was the funding cut-off due to a general appeal to funding sources to knock off embarrassing people or was it specific?  If it was specific, then the question remains how members of Congress learned the identity of a private source.  I think it is important to understand the distinction so that we are able to protect our funding sources from this kind of pressure in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/06/we-got-our-funding-cut-need-your-help/#comment-36290</link>
		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This was raised higher up and basically left unanswered, tho, Jane did provide a response that never got to the point.  In this tangled web of anonymous moneybags, she can’t even out those who stab her in the back or renege.  Such a move would dry up this source of funding, completely.  The paradigm is flawed and requires system re-engineering.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was raised higher up and basically left unanswered, tho, Jane did provide a response that never got to the point.  In this tangled web of anonymous moneybags, she can’t even out those who stab her in the back or renege.  Such a move would dry up this source of funding, completely.  The paradigm is flawed and requires system re-engineering.</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/06/we-got-our-funding-cut-need-your-help/#comment-36250</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am curious about one thing…  If you got a private donation, how did the congresscritters know who to call to complain?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious about one thing…  If you got a private donation, how did the congresscritters know who to call to complain?</p>
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		<title>By: johnsturgeon</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/06/we-got-our-funding-cut-need-your-help/#comment-36248</link>
		<dc:creator>johnsturgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ll contribute if you name the “organization” that cut FDL’s funding.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You write:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;I mentioned … that we’d been getting a bit of funding from an organization, and that they let us know last Friday night that we’d had our funding cut. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which organization?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you can’t name them, I can’t contribute financially.  Because this scenario reads Democratic/Progressive funders of FDL cave to Republican birther/anti-public option Republicans who are too gutless to stop and answer a couple reasonable questions from Mike Stark.  Merely asking them to go on record is hardly harrassment.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In short, the Dems who cut FDL funding are enforcing the same kind of above-the-rules privilege for our adversaries as they reserve for themselves.  Funding FDL &amp; cutting FDL funding is a means of control — put Mike Stark on a leash and Dems can pretend they had to compromise to supposedly intractable Repubs, without fear of exposure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you can’t name “an organization” that’s funding FDL, there’s a bit of a problem.  Is this still grassroots — I believe it obviously is — or has working so directly with elected/political groups become an astroturfed situation?  The funding has allowed you to hire people . .. so we’re working on another level now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Members of Congress called the organization and told them not to renew our funding because they didn’t like Mike Stark asking them questions on the Hill.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, elected Congress-folks in this group are Members of Congress first; Democrats second.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How analogous is this to the opposition?  Dick Armey &gt; website &gt; astroturfed mob rule — vs. — ?unnamed organization? &gt; FDL website &gt; political action.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I mean, I’m with you; but what’s the arrangement and the plan here for FDL?  Yeah, we’re authentic, honest, sane-policy oriented — all that.  Jerome Corsi’s birthers &amp; deathers are the antithesis of everything we stand for.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But you’re/FDL is either an insider or an outsider — and I damn well want to know who’s feeding firepups enough puppychow to think that cutting that funding will enable another Democratic el-Foldo routine on health care.  They want Mike Stark leashed so their right-wing colleagues can still be used as excuses for gutting real reform.  When Stark gets em on record, suddenly these wingers pay a political cost — and the Dem’s excuse for doing nothing disappears.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Time to expose who’s trying to cut the legs out from FDL .. . and offer the full story on what these arrangements really are all about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for all your great work.  But get sucked in far enough, and all the netroots contributions in the world won’t bail you out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll contribute if you name the “organization” that cut FDL’s funding.</p>
<p>You write:<br /><em>I mentioned … that we’d been getting a bit of funding from an organization, and that they let us know last Friday night that we’d had our funding cut. </em></p>
<p>Which organization?  </p>
<p>If you can’t name them, I can’t contribute financially.  Because this scenario reads Democratic/Progressive funders of FDL cave to Republican birther/anti-public option Republicans who are too gutless to stop and answer a couple reasonable questions from Mike Stark.  Merely asking them to go on record is hardly harrassment.  </p>
<p>In short, the Dems who cut FDL funding are enforcing the same kind of above-the-rules privilege for our adversaries as they reserve for themselves.  Funding FDL &amp; cutting FDL funding is a means of control — put Mike Stark on a leash and Dems can pretend they had to compromise to supposedly intractable Repubs, without fear of exposure.</p>
<p>If you can’t name “an organization” that’s funding FDL, there’s a bit of a problem.  Is this still grassroots — I believe it obviously is — or has working so directly with elected/political groups become an astroturfed situation?  The funding has allowed you to hire people . .. so we’re working on another level now.</p>
<p><em>Members of Congress called the organization and told them not to renew our funding because they didn’t like Mike Stark asking them questions on the Hill.</em></p>
<p>So, elected Congress-folks in this group are Members of Congress first; Democrats second.</p>
<p>How analogous is this to the opposition?  Dick Armey &gt; website &gt; astroturfed mob rule — vs. — ?unnamed organization? &gt; FDL website &gt; political action.</p>
<p>I mean, I’m with you; but what’s the arrangement and the plan here for FDL?  Yeah, we’re authentic, honest, sane-policy oriented — all that.  Jerome Corsi’s birthers &amp; deathers are the antithesis of everything we stand for.  </p>
<p>But you’re/FDL is either an insider or an outsider — and I damn well want to know who’s feeding firepups enough puppychow to think that cutting that funding will enable another Democratic el-Foldo routine on health care.  They want Mike Stark leashed so their right-wing colleagues can still be used as excuses for gutting real reform.  When Stark gets em on record, suddenly these wingers pay a political cost — and the Dem’s excuse for doing nothing disappears.</p>
<p>Time to expose who’s trying to cut the legs out from FDL .. . and offer the full story on what these arrangements really are all about.</p>
<p>Thanks for all your great work.  But get sucked in far enough, and all the netroots contributions in the world won’t bail you out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/06/we-got-our-funding-cut-need-your-help/#comment-36236</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m in. It’s a long way to October.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m in. It’s a long way to October.</p>
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		<title>By: EnfantTerrible</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/06/we-got-our-funding-cut-need-your-help/#comment-36231</link>
		<dc:creator>EnfantTerrible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It was my very great pleasure to contribute a modest amount.  This has been a most enlightening legislative session, eh?  (looking for silver linings in all the wrong places…)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously, THIS is what it takes to make things happen, people.  Politicians don’t do the right thing by themselves.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was my very great pleasure to contribute a modest amount.  This has been a most enlightening legislative session, eh?  (looking for silver linings in all the wrong places…)</p>
<p>Seriously, THIS is what it takes to make things happen, people.  Politicians don’t do the right thing by themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/06/we-got-our-funding-cut-need-your-help/#comment-36229</link>
		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mine was really the DNC, and it was a phone call.&lt;br /&gt;
Like I said, I hung up on them. I want &lt;em&gt;better&lt;/em&gt; Dems, or I go looking for a more radical party to belong to.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine was really the DNC, and it was a phone call.<br />
Like I said, I hung up on them. I want <em>better</em> Dems, or I go looking for a more radical party to belong to.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/06/we-got-our-funding-cut-need-your-help/#comment-36228</link>
		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, I know. I lived in West Texas for four years, before the area got redistricted all to hell and gone. (I voted against Shrub three times. 94, 2000, 2004.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I know. I lived in West Texas for four years, before the area got redistricted all to hell and gone. (I voted against Shrub three times. 94, 2000, 2004.)</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/06/we-got-our-funding-cut-need-your-help/#comment-36227</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good move!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good move!</p>
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