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	<title>Comments on: Talkin&#8217; Whip Count on ABC&#8217;s Top Line</title>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/talkin-whip-count-on-abcs-top-line/#comment-35504</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Health Care Now March/Rally went on in D.C. last Thursday.  Thousands Marched, Reps were there.  The only media outlet that covered that rally was C-Span.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not a whisper about that rally on Chris Matthews, Keith’s,Ed’s or Rachels.  They all showed the Obama Beer Summit clip at least a hundred times over the evening.  Not even a whisper about the rally in D.C. that day not even a whisper.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yet Rachel, Ed, Chris Matthews all covered the Republicans who were interrupting Reps who support Health Care reform yesterday had huge coverage by these talking heads.  Chris Matthews even had the nerve to ask “where are the marches on the others side” What an ass (and I have stuck up for Matthew plenty) but he has his head up where the sun does not shine on this issue.  Where the fuck were you  last Thursday  Chris Matthew’s?  Where was your coverage of the Health Care Now march in D.C. last Thursday?  Middle Americans were there, Doctors, nurses and other health care professionals who know exactly what the situation is in our broken health care system.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where the hell was MSNBC’s coveage of this rally?  They were focuse on the beer summit.  And now Matthews has the slippery balls to ask “where are the marches from the other side”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rachel is as guilty as Matthews on this one.  She showed the same damn clip of the beer summit that evening and not even a whisper about that rally&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Health Care Now March/Rally went on in D.C. last Thursday.  Thousands Marched, Reps were there.  The only media outlet that covered that rally was C-Span.</p>
<p>Not a whisper about that rally on Chris Matthews, Keith’s,Ed’s or Rachels.  They all showed the Obama Beer Summit clip at least a hundred times over the evening.  Not even a whisper about the rally in D.C. that day not even a whisper.</p>
<p>Yet Rachel, Ed, Chris Matthews all covered the Republicans who were interrupting Reps who support Health Care reform yesterday had huge coverage by these talking heads.  Chris Matthews even had the nerve to ask “where are the marches on the others side” What an ass (and I have stuck up for Matthew plenty) but he has his head up where the sun does not shine on this issue.  Where the fuck were you  last Thursday  Chris Matthew’s?  Where was your coverage of the Health Care Now march in D.C. last Thursday?  Middle Americans were there, Doctors, nurses and other health care professionals who know exactly what the situation is in our broken health care system.</p>
<p>Where the hell was MSNBC’s coveage of this rally?  They were focuse on the beer summit.  And now Matthews has the slippery balls to ask “where are the marches from the other side”</p>
<p>Rachel is as guilty as Matthews on this one.  She showed the same damn clip of the beer summit that evening and not even a whisper about that rally</p>
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		<title>By: kyeo</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/talkin-whip-count-on-abcs-top-line/#comment-35464</link>
		<dc:creator>kyeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Right, and if you’ll notice, I responded to that post as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, and if you’ll notice, I responded to that post as well.</p>
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		<title>By: SydB</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/talkin-whip-count-on-abcs-top-line/#comment-35462</link>
		<dc:creator>SydB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It does annoy me when progressives try to sever Rahm Emmanuel from Obama or Geitner/Sumners from Obama…for all intents and purposes, they are the same person because it is Obama’s administration - he chose these people, they are serving at his pleasure…they speak for him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does annoy me when progressives try to sever Rahm Emmanuel from Obama or Geitner/Sumners from Obama…for all intents and purposes, they are the same person because it is Obama’s administration &#8211; he chose these people, they are serving at his pleasure…they speak for him.</p>
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		<title>By: masslib</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/talkin-whip-count-on-abcs-top-line/#comment-35460</link>
		<dc:creator>masslib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know why they didn’t start by making the insurance companies the enemy.  It’s hard to argue a case against an enemy you want to mandate everyone buy a product from.  It’s like, these people are terrible, so our solution is that you should buy their crap anyway.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know why they didn’t start by making the insurance companies the enemy.  It’s hard to argue a case against an enemy you want to mandate everyone buy a product from.  It’s like, these people are terrible, so our solution is that you should buy their crap anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/talkin-whip-count-on-abcs-top-line/#comment-35401</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, Shouldn’t we be going after Steve Forbes for underwriting the tactics being used by freedomworks?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;delay, disrupt, disturb, derail&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freedomworks.org/about/board-of-directors/steve-forbes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.freedomworks.org/ab.....eve-forbes&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, Shouldn’t we be going after Steve Forbes for underwriting the tactics being used by freedomworks?</p>
<p>delay, disrupt, disturb, derail</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freedomworks.org/about/board-of-directors/steve-forbes" rel="nofollow">http://www.freedomworks.org/ab&#8230;..eve-forbes</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, thanks!  I was trying to wade through this person’s atrocious grammar and syntax (he or she apparently thinks rules of English usage are a horrible infringement on one’s personal liberty) and couldn’t make head nor tail of it.  Guess the person must have gone to a private school.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, thanks!  I was trying to wade through this person’s atrocious grammar and syntax (he or she apparently thinks rules of English usage are a horrible infringement on one’s personal liberty) and couldn’t make head nor tail of it.  Guess the person must have gone to a private school.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Could someone translate this into English?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone translate this into English?</p>
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		<title>By: marymccurnin</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/talkin-whip-count-on-abcs-top-line/#comment-35396</link>
		<dc:creator>marymccurnin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All the critical thinking are belong to us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the critical thinking are belong to us.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/talkin-whip-count-on-abcs-top-line/#comment-35395</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bawn…here are just a few real facts rather than some made uop story about an econ professor who failed his whole class. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Harvard 2005 study shows half of personal bankruptcies due to health care costs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Second&lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml&lt;/a&gt; “&gt;the US, both as a proportion of GDP/total State/Federal budget, and as private citizens,  pay far more  than those in any other Western Democracy for heath care and gets less coverage and generally slower treatments than those in Europe or Canada.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now about your little fairy-tale on socialism. It may sound like it would be true from someones perspective on the bottom end getting an F…but it ignores one critical aspect of social psychology. Once the upper range students realized their grades were doing down they would not “try and get a free ride”. Instead they would try and increase the average by helping the students lower down. Given that the lower students would benefit by raising the average, too…they would participate in study halls, free tutoring offered by the smarter students, etc. There would be pressure on all students to do this by other students to “raise our grades”. Of course, one would really only see this work if the Professor gave enough opportunities for the psychology to set in…by offering many weekly exams.  To even roughly reflect reality the system would have to reflect a “market” in which transactions occurred on a daily scale.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now let’s get real no teacher who imposed some crappy grading system that resulted in his entire class flunking in order to make some sort of “political point” would hold a position the next Semester. I suspect if such an event ever occurred it would have been at some unaccredited right-wing Christian “College”. Maybe that’s why you don’t give the Professors name or where they taught.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The story is made up…an fundamentalist urban legend along with the likes that Obama was born in Kenya, Darwin renounced evolution on his death-bed, or that a teenaged Einstein upbraided his “atheistic”  teacher by “proving” the existence of God.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Currently our health care system is locked into the situation at the first midterm. Those with no insurance  or poor finances or who have been deemed to have a “previously occurring condition” use the publically-supported emergency room (”free ride”). Health care costs and waiting times for everyone else…except those with “Cadillac health care plans” increases since many of these conditions could have been dealt with at far less cost&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bawn…here are just a few real facts rather than some made uop story about an econ professor who failed his whole class. </p>
<p>First <a href="http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html" rel="nofollow">Harvard 2005 study shows half of personal bankruptcies due to health care costs</a></p>
<p> Second<a href="" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml</a> “&gt;the US, both as a proportion of GDP/total State/Federal budget, and as private citizens,  pay far more  than those in any other Western Democracy for heath care and gets less coverage and generally slower treatments than those in Europe or Canada.</p>
<p>Now about your little fairy-tale on socialism. It may sound like it would be true from someones perspective on the bottom end getting an F…but it ignores one critical aspect of social psychology. Once the upper range students realized their grades were doing down they would not “try and get a free ride”. Instead they would try and increase the average by helping the students lower down. Given that the lower students would benefit by raising the average, too…they would participate in study halls, free tutoring offered by the smarter students, etc. There would be pressure on all students to do this by other students to “raise our grades”. Of course, one would really only see this work if the Professor gave enough opportunities for the psychology to set in…by offering many weekly exams.  To even roughly reflect reality the system would have to reflect a “market” in which transactions occurred on a daily scale.</p>
<p>Now let’s get real no teacher who imposed some crappy grading system that resulted in his entire class flunking in order to make some sort of “political point” would hold a position the next Semester. I suspect if such an event ever occurred it would have been at some unaccredited right-wing Christian “College”. Maybe that’s why you don’t give the Professors name or where they taught.</p>
<p>The story is made up…an fundamentalist urban legend along with the likes that Obama was born in Kenya, Darwin renounced evolution on his death-bed, or that a teenaged Einstein upbraided his “atheistic”  teacher by “proving” the existence of God.  </p>
<p>Currently our health care system is locked into the situation at the first midterm. Those with no insurance  or poor finances or who have been deemed to have a “previously occurring condition” use the publically-supported emergency room (”free ride”). Health care costs and waiting times for everyone else…except those with “Cadillac health care plans” increases since many of these conditions could have been dealt with at far less cost</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nobody anticipated that the Blue Dogs might be a problem. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thank you Jane !  Exhibit effing A for anyone doubting your conclusions on the collusion &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;lemme see, a concentration of 7 Blue Dogs on a single committee and nothing, zip to indicate there was ever a plan or move to stop their obstruction - it’s why I so lost it when I saw others high-fivin’ Waxman’s ‘deal’ with the mongrels&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nobody anticipated that the Blue Dogs might be a problem. </p>
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<p>thank you Jane !  Exhibit effing A for anyone doubting your conclusions on the collusion </p>
<p>lemme see, a concentration of 7 Blue Dogs on a single committee and nothing, zip to indicate there was ever a plan or move to stop their obstruction &#8211; it’s why I so lost it when I saw others high-fivin’ Waxman’s ‘deal’ with the mongrels</p>
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